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You openly admit you sin......so.....which nature leads you to sin when you do sin? Your answer below TOTALLY contradicts the things you say......YOU OPENLY ADMIT SIN and then argue below that JOHN is speaking of two DIFFERENT distinct PEOPLE those who have ETERNAL LIFE and THOSE WHO DO NOT<---and your inference is that those who SIN are not saved......SO, by your own logic and admission of sin you are not SAVED.....the exact type of contradiction that comes fro the workers for......right here folks in black and white for all to see......Budman is right.....RALPH is not
Budman's POST
Originally Posted by Budman
We have the old man while we are still in the flesh. That's why, we will physically die. The new nature in us cannot sin, and that's why we will live eternally with God in heaven (or the new earth - depending on the timing).
The new man is what makes us sinless - the nature of Jesus imputed to us. That's how God call rule we are holy, righteous, and perfect - because that's what Jesus is.
The old man (our flesh) still sins, and that's how we still can sin and why God chastens us.
One person = two natures.
YOUR FIRST REPLY ---->(RALPH'S REPLY
Budman's POST
We have the old man while we are still in the flesh. That's why, we will physically die. The new nature in us cannot sin, and that's why we will live eternally with God in heaven (or the new earth - depending on the timing).
The new man is what makes us sinless - the nature of Jesus imputed to us. That's how God call rule we are holy, righteous, and perfect - because that's what Jesus is.
The old man (our flesh) still sins, and that's how we still can sin and why God chastens us.
One person = two natures.
YOUR FIRST REPLY ---->(RALPH'S REPLY
Not two natures in the same person. John is talking about two distinct people. Those who have eternal life in them and those who do not.
See if you argue that all sin is the same in that we all sin, then that means from the passage above all will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if you say it's the grace of God that makes it so that even though we sin identically to the world we ourselves are saved, then you are saying grace is a license to sin and makes it so you can stay in your old unchanged life and still be saved. Which both of you vehemently deny saying but as we can see is exactly what you are saying.
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In the John passage, you can't be born again and not born again in the same body, so we know he is talking about two distinct persons, one who lives in sin because he is not born again, and the person who sins but does not live in sin because he is born again. It's impossible that he is referring to two natures inside the same person. That would make them born again when they are not sinning and not born again when they are.
"We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."-1 John 3:14-15
See you can't be a born again person who loves and has eternal life one minute and then a not born again person who hates and does not have eternal life the next. He's talking about two distinct persons. One who is born again, and one who is not. The difference between the two not being that one doesn't sin while the other does, but that one does not 'live in' sin while the other does.
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Did you say something....NOPE.......break the least GUILTY of the WHOLE......face it...your dogma vacillates more than the waves of the South Pacific during a cyclone......and he conversation I highlighted above is not talking about two distinct people.....that is another spot where your losable salvation, which is false, leads you completely off the rails of truth....