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ElAmor

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ElAmor said:
Mark 7:6-15,17-23 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a man can make him ‘unclean’ by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him ‘unclean.’” After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”) He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’”

Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.




1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.
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Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
 
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Sorry that i can't answer more right now, i have a nephew who has asked to move in with me, he is struggling with cocaine addiction, and has lost everything and needs help. i need to go and talk with him now.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Side note to self: resume at post 53471
 
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dcontroversal said:
One question...you asked three and it does no good to enter into dialogue with a self proclaimed prophet that believes that JESUS will call him by his CC name and reference his CC teaching in the day of judgment to to judge people and send them to hell....and or a an whose own website promotes a type of reincarnation...
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ad hominem. getting so old
 
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Still not sure the issue is the Greek.
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The first time I truely understood the verse is when I saw it in the greek.

Did He ever tell us what he thought the passage said, I did not see but I may have4 missed it.
 
FlSnookman7

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If our salvation comes from our ability to not sin or keep the law then we are all in very deep trouble. The jews based their worth and salvation on those abilities and we see what God says about that...

Romans 10:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

We as humans can never do enough works or not sin enough to gain our own salvation. We must instead trust Jesus for our salvation and this is where the problem is for many people. We must set aside our pride and ego and rely on someone else. It is such a difficult thing that it is not possible without God's help.....

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Thats only the beginning, once we accept that we can not save ourselves and we accept Jesus as Lord, then we must also believe Him when He says we are (through Him) made righteous, holy and heirs with Him. This is especially difficult because it goes against what we can see. Thats why we need faith....

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Thank God that we need not rely on ourselves! Trust Jesus and what He has accomplished.


 
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DiscipleDave said:
Sorry that i can't answer more right now, i have a nephew who has asked to move in with me, he is struggling with cocaine addiction, and has lost everything and needs help. i need to go and talk with him now.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Side note to self: resume at post 53471
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Even though I totally disagree with most things you say....I pray that it works out for both you and your nephew.....
 
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DiscipleDave said:
Sorry that i can't answer more right now, i have a nephew who has asked to move in with me, he is struggling with cocaine addiction, and has lost everything and needs help. i need to go and talk with him now.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Side note to self: resume at post 53471
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I have done the same thing with a 18 year old boy who has been homeless sinceshe was 16. My wife asked me if we should do this and I gave her an adament YES.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Like anything you say carries value....your continued attacks are exactly what you point out in this post....
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New International Version 1984 Romans 2:4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
 
dcontroversal

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Endoscopy said:
You are an ignorant windbag spouting gibberish nonsense.
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And to think my last three posts with you were decent and I even apologized for my attitude the other day.....your works are speaking loud and clear......
 
Seohce

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dcontroversal said:
Like anything you say carries value....your continued attacks are exactly what you point out in this post....
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Romans 2:1-4 God’s Righteous Judgment You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
 
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Seohce said:
New International Version 1984 Romans 2:4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
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only God leads to repentance not man.
 
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