GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Now MarcR,
What did I saying was NOT true? I have only shared God's Word with you and it is to His Word that all my BELIEVE and OBEY. Those that do not are UNBELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS will not ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. So you keep God's 4th Commandment but you teach others continue in SIN?
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we KNOWINGLY break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).
If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's Word that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
What did I saying was NOT true? I have only shared God's Word with you and it is to His Word that all my BELIEVE and OBEY. Those that do not are UNBELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS will not ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. So you keep God's 4th Commandment but you teach others continue in SIN?
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we KNOWINGLY break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).
If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's Word that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Now MarcR your fruits are showing.
My friend do you have any scripture to share? Please if you disagree with any of the posts I have posted and the scrptures in them. Please address the posts and the scriptures in them. If you cannot it only shows you do not know God's Word because you have no scripture to share.
So my friend in your view Jesus was lying when he said; Many will come to me in that day saying, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (iniquity). (Matthew 7:22-23)
I tend to believe God's Word over yours......
He that said, I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM (1 John 3:4).
According to the scriptures it says if you say and do as you have written you do not KNOW him and will be in the class above come judgement day that Jesus is talking about unless you change your mind and turn to Jesus.
Amazing so please my friend please share the scriptures with us. How do you know what SIN is?
Why did God go to all the trouble to make them himself and speak them himself to all of God's people?
Why did he command Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the book of the Covenant?
Why are they called the ten Commandments in God's Word and not the 613?
It seems you do not know the scriptures. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) and it is practicing KNOWN SIN that will keep you OUT of God's KINGDOM. It id ONLY through God's LAW that we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20) and it is ONLY when we see that we are SINNERS that we see we have need of a Saviour (Matthew 9:12-13).
What you do NOT understand here is that SALVATION is FROM SIN. SALVATION is NOT IN SIN so you can continue in it. IF you CONTINUE in SIN you will die because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; John 8:31-36; 1 John 3:3-9) If you BELIEVE the above my friend you do NOT know what it means to ABIDE in Jesus and walk IN HIs Spirit (1 John 3:6-8; Romans 8:1-14; John 15:1-10) SALVATION is from SIN not in SIN if you are still IN SIN you do NOT KNOW him or have seen him and need to seek him through His Word through prayer and FAITH.
If you believe what you have written above you are of the class that is written that have a form of Godliness and DENY the POWER thereof (2 Tim 3:5) and the same class that Jesus says depart from me I never KNEW you; depart from me you who practice SIN (Matthew 7:22-23)
My friend do you have any scripture to share? Please if you disagree with any of the posts I have posted and the scrptures in them. Please address the posts and the scriptures in them. If you cannot it only shows you do not know God's Word because you have no scripture to share.
So my friend in your view Jesus was lying when he said; Many will come to me in that day saying, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (iniquity). (Matthew 7:22-23)
I tend to believe God's Word over yours......
He that said, I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM (1 John 3:4).
According to the scriptures it says if you say and do as you have written you do not KNOW him and will be in the class above come judgement day that Jesus is talking about unless you change your mind and turn to Jesus.
Amazing so please my friend please share the scriptures with us. How do you know what SIN is?
Why did God go to all the trouble to make them himself and speak them himself to all of God's people?
Why did he command Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the book of the Covenant?
Why are they called the ten Commandments in God's Word and not the 613?
It seems you do not know the scriptures. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments) and it is practicing KNOWN SIN that will keep you OUT of God's KINGDOM. It id ONLY through God's LAW that we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20) and it is ONLY when we see that we are SINNERS that we see we have need of a Saviour (Matthew 9:12-13).
What you do NOT understand here is that SALVATION is FROM SIN. SALVATION is NOT IN SIN so you can continue in it. IF you CONTINUE in SIN you will die because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; John 8:31-36; 1 John 3:3-9) If you BELIEVE the above my friend you do NOT know what it means to ABIDE in Jesus and walk IN HIs Spirit (1 John 3:6-8; Romans 8:1-14; John 15:1-10) SALVATION is from SIN not in SIN if you are still IN SIN you do NOT KNOW him or have seen him and need to seek him through His Word through prayer and FAITH.
If you believe what you have written above you are of the class that is written that have a form of Godliness and DENY the POWER thereof (2 Tim 3:5) and the same class that Jesus says depart from me I never KNEW you; depart from me you who practice SIN (Matthew 7:22-23)
There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. Your Words are not directed towards me but to the one who the Word belongs. There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him.
If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear, but if your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?
Do you know the scriptures MarcR?
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him.
If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear, but if your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?
Do you know the scriptures MarcR?
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Amazing, so in your view......
Paul is lying when he says it is through God's LAW (10 Commandments) that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is?
Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
In your view James is also lying when he says that if we break God's LAW (10 Commandments) we commit SIN?
James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, BUT IF YOU HAVE RESPECT TO PERSONS, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL.
11, For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if you COMMIT NO ADULTERY, yet if YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.
So in your view John must also be lying when he says that sin is breaking God's LAW?
1 John 3
4, WHOSOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW; FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil;
Well it seems it is unanamous Paul, James and John all agree that SIN is breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments). So who should we believe you or God?
This is ONLY true if you have REPENTED FROM YOUR SINS not while you are CONTINUING to PRACTICE KNOWN SIN. IF YOU ARE STILL PRACTICING SIN you do NOT KNOW HIM and ARE STILL IN your SINS. SIN will keep all how practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear SON. (Hebrews 10:26:27; Romans 6:23)
ONLY God's WORD is true MarcR and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's KINGDOM. You really do not know the scriptures or the POWER of God's Word do you MarcR?
For it is written; For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him.
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Paul is lying when he says it is through God's LAW (10 Commandments) that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is?
Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
In your view James is also lying when he says that if we break God's LAW (10 Commandments) we commit SIN?
James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, BUT IF YOU HAVE RESPECT TO PERSONS, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL.
11, For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if you COMMIT NO ADULTERY, yet if YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.
So in your view John must also be lying when he says that sin is breaking God's LAW?
1 John 3
4, WHOSOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW; FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil;
Well it seems it is unanamous Paul, James and John all agree that SIN is breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments). So who should we believe you or God?
This is ONLY true if you have REPENTED FROM YOUR SINS not while you are CONTINUING to PRACTICE KNOWN SIN. IF YOU ARE STILL PRACTICING SIN you do NOT KNOW HIM and ARE STILL IN your SINS. SIN will keep all how practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear SON. (Hebrews 10:26:27; Romans 6:23)
ONLY God's WORD is true MarcR and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's KINGDOM. You really do not know the scriptures or the POWER of God's Word do you MarcR?
For it is written; For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him.
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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Dead men keep Saturday.
List of Old Testament earthly High Priests
Aaron
Eleazar, son of Aaron (Numbers 20:28)
Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Abishua, son of Phinehas
The Samaritans insert Shesha as the son of Abishua and father of Bukki.[citation needed]
Bukki, son of Abishua
Uzzi, son of Bukki
Eli, descendant of Ithamar, son of Aaron
Ahitub, son of Phinehas and grandson of Eli
Ahijah, son of Ahitub
Ahimelech, son of Ahijah (or brother of Ahijah and son of Ahitub)
Abiathar, son of Ahimelech
List of Old Testament earthly High Priests
Aaron
Eleazar, son of Aaron (Numbers 20:28)
Phinehas, son of Eleazar
Abishua, son of Phinehas
The Samaritans insert Shesha as the son of Abishua and father of Bukki.[citation needed]
Bukki, son of Abishua
Uzzi, son of Bukki
Eli, descendant of Ithamar, son of Aaron
Ahitub, son of Phinehas and grandson of Eli
Ahijah, son of Ahitub
Ahimelech, son of Ahijah (or brother of Ahijah and son of Ahitub)
Abiathar, son of Ahimelech
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Jesus 'worked' on the Sabbath. The horrible, wicked Jews plotted his death and he physically died. Jesus the great High Priest conquered death, he rose again and lives eternally. Thomas worshipped him on the Sunday and had Thomas done anything wrong, Jesus would have corrected him, but he did not, thereby instigating Sunday worship on the authority of God Immanuel.
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Hi PS,
Sorry I still do not see how your reasoning suggests in any way that God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holyday.
Jesus never broke God's Sabbath or he could not be our perfect sinless sacrifice. He came to teach and rebuke the Jewish traditions around the Sabbath that made it a burden. He taught that he was the Lord of the Sabbath (maker) and that mankind was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath was made for mankind and it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
Now how you interpret from what you posted above that the scriptures say God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day is still a puzzle to me as it is not saying this at all. Sorry PS just being honest.
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Sorry I still do not see how your reasoning suggests in any way that God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holyday.
Jesus never broke God's Sabbath or he could not be our perfect sinless sacrifice. He came to teach and rebuke the Jewish traditions around the Sabbath that made it a burden. He taught that he was the Lord of the Sabbath (maker) and that mankind was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath was made for mankind and it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
Now how you interpret from what you posted above that the scriptures say God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day is still a puzzle to me as it is not saying this at all. Sorry PS just being honest.
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.