Not By Works

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Budman said:
We should live a life pleasing to the Lord, not out of obligation, but from a grateful heart.
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"12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh"-Romans 8:12

Don't wait around for a grateful heart to resist sin through the Holy Spirit. Your obligation NOW is to not live according to the flesh. Of course it's far better and easier if you have a grateful heart, but not having one is hardly an excuse to not be obligated to live a life pleasing to the Lord.

This 'should' stuff has to go. You HAVE to walk in the Spirit. We are obligated by virtue of being born again and having the Holy Spirit to walk according to the Spirit.

If you do not walk according to the Spirit and don't leave your practice of sin behind you show that you are not born again. You'll still sin as a believer, but if you live in it like you did before you got saved then you don't have the salvation you think you have. John said it, not me.

Don't be deceived by this new grace doctrine in the church, people. Grace doesn't make it so you can be saved and live in your old practice and lifestyle of sin at the same time. There is a big difference between sinning as a believer and living in and practicing sin. You aren't saved if you're doing the latter.
 
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Ralph- said:
"12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh"-Romans 8:12

Don't wait around for a grateful heart to resist sin through the Holy Spirit. Your obligation NOW is to not live according to the flesh. Of course it's far better and easier if you have a grateful heart, but not having one is hardly an excuse to not be obligated to live a life pleasing to the Lord.

This 'should' stuff has to go. You HAVE to walk in the Spirit. We are obligated by virtue of being born again and having the Holy Spirit to walk according to the Spirit.

If you do not walk according to the Spirit and don't leave your practice of sin behind you show that you are not born again. You'll still sin as a believer, but if you live in it like you did before you got saved then you don't have the salvation you think you have. John said it, not me.

Don't be deceived by this new grace doctrine in the church, people. Grace doesn't make it so you can be saved and live in your old practice and lifestyle of sin at the same time. There is a big difference between sinning as a believer and living in and practicing sin. You aren't saved if you're doing the latter.
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actually, I agree with this. now, you practice what you preach, and stop judging. Jesus said ' judge not, you shall not be judged', and also, " the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you'.
 
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When you sin you depart from God because you are not paying attention to him. And you can’t serve two gods. When you repent and turn away you claim your grace to go back to where you left off with God and continue walking in his way because his way is to eternal life. Salvation from hell. Because God might be telling you something but you decide to not listen to Him so you go the other way. The neat thing about it is that God doesn’t give up on you he calls his children to come to him. And he will say it until you listen. There will be that constant voice. That calling.
 
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Ralph- said:
That passage is about rewards, not salvation. He even says it's not about salvation, but rather rewards.

The work he is talking about is what you accomplish or don't accomplish in the building and field of God. Successful work in the building and field of God will endure. Unsuccessful work will perish.

The passage is not saying we can live in sin (having no work or change of life) and we will still be saved. If Paul was saying that he would be directly contradicting John who says the person who has no works and is still practicing his old life of sin is not born again.
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Firstly I never said it was about keeping living in sin.
That's why I finished with "of course this is not an excuse to do what we want"

So get that bit right. I never said that.

Secondly what are you doing on this site, whet am I doing on this site. What is everyone doing on this site who contributes their beliefs?

Building Ralph. Yet l people disagree.
So is not building building/teaching false theology rotten fruit, bad works?

So please take back the words you put in my mouth

You have seen enough of my posts and knee me.
Not once have I ever said that we can sin all we want, I have used Bible verses to promote this heresy.
And i did not start with those verees I quoted above.

So please retract your inference that I did.
 
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I have used Bible verses to promote this heresy.
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Sorry just to clarify.

The above was meant to say "I have never used Bible verses to promote this heresy"
 
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BillG said:
So is not building building/teaching false theology rotten fruit, bad works?
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Hi BillG, I just would like to chip in on this topic right here if I may about bad works.

I have always assumed that bad works, went something like...

If someone believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, no matter who they are regardless of how they have acted in their life or anything. If they confess to anyone that they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and God, and they have freedom in Christ Jesus to Love God, and to Love Others.

Yet someone disagrees with them in some form or matter about something subjective then they look and tell you that you are not a christian brother, or even ex-communicate with each other.

That is what I have always consider bad works, it someone telling well you aren't doing this or you aren't doing that and judge them... when we can't do that.

There is a story in the Gospel about a man who was thankful he wasn't like the sinner, and the sinner was more blessed than the one who thought he was more righteous.
 
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Believers do not practice sin:
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."-1 John 3:9
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You tout the first part of that verse while ignoring the last part. It says one born of God CANNOT SIN.

Do you still sin, Ralph?

Let me answer that as you would: "But..but...I don't make it a practice!"

How many sins attributed to us will damn us, Ralph?

Let me answer that for you: ONE. If you break one of Gods commandments, you are guilty of breaking them ALL.

Thank Jesus that every single sin has been paid for IN FULL.

So, what sins are you talking about, Ralph?

I know it's important to your doctrine to make no distinction between sinning and living in sin
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There isn't. If Jesus didn't pay for all sin, if you only sinned 1,000,000 in your life, you would be lost. If you sinned just one time, you would be just as lost.

There is no blood covering where there is the practice of sin. The practice of sin is NOT covered under the blood.
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Yet again, since you are a self-righteous hypocrite, you make no effort to see that you sin every single day. Day in, day out. Year after year, after year - and yet have the gall to say it's not "practice".

White washed tomb comes directly to mind.
 
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You say we can live in our old lives and we will not be lost because there is no difference in sinning-sinning is sinning. You can call it what ever you want, but if you claim that we can live in our old lives and still be saved because there is no difference in sinning (ALL sin is covered by the blood) you are making the grace of God a license to live in sin and still be saved.
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Again, what sin, Ralph? The Bible says all believers are perfect, holy, and righteous. You can't be ANY of those things if you have a single sin attributer to you.

Explain that.

So again, what sin?
 
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Don't wait around for a grateful heart to resist sin through the Holy Spirit. Your obligation NOW is to not live according to the flesh.
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And yet you do, but continuing to sin.

This 'should' stuff has to go. You HAVE to walk in the Spirit.
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Then you have taken the emphasis off of Jesus and onto yourself. You are attempting to share His glory, and would have something to boast about.

Whenever one says; "yes, I agree we are saved by grace through faith, but..."

That "but" makes grace no longer grace. Your salvation turns from a gift into a wage.

And you expect to be paid when Jesus comes back, don't you, Ralph?
 
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I'm tired from work but I still remember straightforward truth,Works of our faith"no longer save" only accepting Jesus humbly and sincerely as Saviour and Lord saves us,works are nothing more than a reflection of whom we serve now it doesn't "take away our salvation" nor "give us salvation" nor "sustain salvation" and if you have doubts of this Truth go ahead and share what Scripture "After Jesus's crucifixion,resurrection,and ascension" that one can have salvation "twice" considering Jesus through "his works" gave us the "possibility" of being saved "once" per person.
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New International Version 1984 Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

The body of Christ which is the spiritual church where God places His people to prepare them for works of service (ephesians 4:11-13, romans 4:4-8, 1 corinthians 12) which He had before ordained for us to walk on.(ephesians 2:10)

The body without the Spirit is dead ( james 2:26) but the body of Christ is led by the Spirit of Christ who is the Head. He built His body for a purpose( philippians 2:13, romans 8:28, h2 corinthians 5:1-5 ) according to the eternal purpose of God (ephesians 3:7-11) and one of which is;
1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

John 16:10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;
 
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ElAmor said:
New International Version 1984 Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

The body of Christ which is the spiritual church where God places His people to prepare them for works of service (ephesians 4:11-13, romans 4:4-8, 1 corinthians 12) which He had before ordained for us to walk on.(ephesians 2:10)

The body without the Spirit is dead ( james 2:26) but the body of Christ is led by the Spirit of Christ who is the Head. He built His body for a purpose( philippians 2:13, romans 8:28, h2 corinthians 5:1-5 ) according to the eternal purpose of God (ephesians 3:7-11) and one of which is;
1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

John 16:10 in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;
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no! Don’t leave Jesus! I believe in you.
 
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