Not By Works

[garee]

Only Christ in the body death as the Son of man did not sin. The wage of one sin is eternal damnation .Violate the least a person will be found guilty of the whole.

We live in a body of death as evidence we have been under the revealed wrath of God shown by a corrupted creation from the moment we are born.Its what sinners do sin. Its what Christ does save.Why judge his grace rather than rebuke those in a hope God will give them rest ?

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

We are blessed if we keep the commandment and not blessed if we judge other as if we could see into their hearts . God is able to keep one standing and pick up another if they fall .

If we do not know Christ according to our own righteousness seeing the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked and beyond cure we certainly do not know Him by looking at other failures as if our fruit was the standard and not His as the one tree of eternal life.

If we error we need Mercy and Grace. If others error they need the same Mercy and Grace .There is no such thing as you have been good for three days and have earned extra grace and the next time you sin you will not be found guilty of violating the whole law which again requires eternal forgiveness.

The wage of sin remains the same eternal damnation. Neither Christ or the wage of sin is divided.

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.


How much mercy does God show the believer? Enough to remove the Log from their own eye?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[BillG]

What kind of works does someone claiming to be saved will possibly have if he/she don't have good works? As they say that a saved person will produce fruit, can bad fruits/works be acceptable or worthy of God's acceptance? No fruit is proof of no Spirit or dead Faith.(james 2:26) A "WALKING DEAD",

Bad fruit/works are not acceptable to God. We should all seek growth and maturity, at times we will hey wrong.

Would you not say though that such fruit/works will be burned up but we will still survive?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Of course the above is not an excuse to do what we want.
We should seek to build correctly in our lives so that we grow into maturity.

 

[joefizz]

I'm tired from work but I still remember straightforward truth,Works of our faith"no longer save" only accepting Jesus humbly and sincerely as Saviour and Lord saves us,works are nothing more than a reflection of whom we serve now it doesn't "take away our salvation" nor "give us salvation" nor "sustain salvation" and if you have doubts of this Truth go ahead and share what Scripture "After Jesus's crucifixion,resurrection,and ascension" that one can have salvation "twice" considering Jesus through "his works" gave us the "possibility" of being saved "once" per person.

 

[loverofjesus27]

Bad fruit/works are not acceptable to God. We should all seek growth and maturity, at times we will hey wrong.

Would you not say though that such fruit/works will be burned up but we will still survive?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Of course the above is not an excuse to do what we want.
We should seek to build correctly in our lives so that we grow into maturity.

in heaven we will do what we were good at during here on earth. But in more supernatural ways. What did you enjoy here on earth? What was your talents? Interests, delights master skills, jobs, those won’t burn up but remain. I see myself riding a flying dog dragon you know

 

[Budman]

NOW I'M THE PROVOKER. ARE YOU BLIND? YOU'VE BEEN REBUKED BY ELAMOR REGARDING YOUR BEHAVIOUR AND SOME IN YOUR GROUP BUT YOU CONTINUE WITH THESE BEHAVIOURS AND THROWS THE ____ ON OTHER PEOPLE. IF YOU'RE NOT PROVOKING THERE'LL BE PEACE AND HARMONY ON THIS THREAD.

Translation: Shut up and believe as we say!

 

[Budman]

I'm a word person. But there are many times when pictures (and videos) better express the words I can't lol. Like this one right here.

[video=youtube;78cGkuKJx9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78cGkuKJx9I[/video]

That was beautiful and heartbreaking all at the same time.

 

[joefizz]

in heaven we will do what we were good at during here on earth. But in more supernatural ways. What did you enjoy here on earth? What was your talents? Interests, delights master skills, jobs, those won’t burn up but remain. I see myself riding a flying dog dragon you know

That's a no go on the Dragon part the Dragon satan was cast out from heaven so you'll have to settle for a flying dog to ride instead.

 

[Budman]

Open your eyes, man. Abigail is saying it right now! Budman has also said it. And so have a couple others who don't post here anymore.

Once again Ralph, you lie. You lie about this over and over and over again. You would think by now you would have some shame, especially regarding what you demand of others.

READ THIS AND DON"T YOU EVER LIE ABOUT ME AGAIN: Grace is not a license to sin! We should live a life pleasing to the Lord, not out of obligation, but from a grateful heart. Where we differ is our works have nothing to do with salvation. That was settled at Calvary. Works justify us before men, and are the basis of rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ - period!

We will continue to sin because we still have the "old man" to contend with - the old nature. But God, as any loving Father would, chastens His children. He corrects us - sometimes harshly. Even to the point of taking us home.

BUT WE CAN NEVER BE LOST!

 

[loverofjesus27]

That's a no go on the Dragon part the Dragon satan was cast out from heaven so you'll have to settle for a flying dog to ride instead.

Uh-hum? God is not that lousy i’m Sure he can come up with something better than that. Lol.

 

[Budman]

Has anyone else noticed that whenever Ralph gets throughly refuted, he'll rarely answer the charges directly, and he'll stay away from the thread long enough for the thread to progress past those posts. Then, he'll jump back in with the same old arguments and accusations as if he were never answered at all?

 

[loverofjesus27]

Once again Ralph, you lie. You lie about this over and over and over again. You would think by now you would have some shame, especially regarding what you demand of others.

READ THIS AND DON"T YOU EVER LIE ABOUT ME AGAIN: Grace is not a license to sin! We should live a life pleasing to the Lord, not out of obligation, but from a grateful heart. Where we differ is our works have nothing to do with salvation. That was settled at Calvary. Works justify us before men, and are the basis of rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ - period!

We will continue to sin because we still have the "old man" to contend with - the old nature. But God, as any loving Father would, chastens His children. He corrects us - sometimes harshly. Even to the point of taking us home.

BUT WE CAN NEVER BE LOST!

grace is a gift. We are lucky if we are found with grace.

 

[Ralph-]

You make a distinction between sinning a little (like you supposedly do) and sinning a lot, as proof of salvation. The Bible makes no such distinction.

Is that sin covered under the blood?

Why yes - yes it is.

ALL sin is.

Here is the distinction that the Bible makes between sinning, and the sinning that proves you are not saved (the distinction you boldly proclaim the Bible does not make).


Believers do not practice sin:
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."-1 John 3:9


Believers still sin:
"8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us."-1 John 1:8


I know it's important to your doctrine to make no distinction between sinning and living in sin so that it can be claimed that believers can live in their old lives if they choose to and be saved, but we can see for ourselves that is not what the Bible says. John says the person who is born of God sins, but he does not practice sin. But you say there is no difference between sinning and practicing sin. Who do we believe, you or the Bible?

There is no blood covering where there is the practice of sin. The practice of sin is NOT covered under the blood. That person is not born again.

 

[loverofjesus27]

Sin is our nature our ugliness our thorn in the flesh our infirmities things that we can be scarred and marked with

 

[Ralph-]

Has anyone else noticed that whenever Ralph gets throughly refuted, he'll rarely answer the charges directly, and he'll stay away from the thread long enough for the thread to progress past those posts. Then, he'll jump back in with the same old arguments and accusations as if he were never answered at all?

Funny you should say this while I'm busy answering your argument from yesterday.

 

[Ralph-]

Once again Ralph, you lie. You lie about this over and over and over again. You would think by now you would have some shame, especially regarding what you demand of others.

READ THIS AND DON"T YOU EVER LIE ABOUT ME AGAIN: Grace is not a license to sin! We should live a life pleasing to the Lord, not out of obligation, but from a grateful heart. Where we differ is our works have nothing to do with salvation. That was settled at Calvary. Works justify us before men, and are the basis of rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ - period!

We will continue to sin because we still have the "old man" to contend with - the old nature. But God, as any loving Father would, chastens His children. He corrects us - sometimes harshly. Even to the point of taking us home.

BUT WE CAN NEVER BE LOST!

You say we can live in our old lives and we will not be lost because there is no difference in sinning-sinning is sinning. You can call it what ever you want, but if you claim that we can live in our old lives and still be saved because there is no difference in sinning (ALL sin is covered by the blood) you are making the grace of God a license to live in sin and still be saved.

I showed you where John makes the distinction between sinning, and living in and practicing sin and that grace does NOT make it so we can live in and practice sin. He says if you do that you are not born again, while you say they are. Who do we believe? You or John?

 

[Ralph-]

Sin is our nature our ugliness our thorn in the flesh our infirmities things that we can be scarred and marked with

No question about that.

But if we are practicing and living in our sin just as we did before we were saved, then we are not really saved. Our life bears witness that we do not know Christ in salvation. This is what the Bible says, not me.

 

[Ralph-]

only accepting Jesus humbly and sincerely as Saviour and Lord saves us,works are nothing more than a reflection of whom we serve

That's what I've been saying.

If we live in and practice sin we show that we are not born again. We show that we are not set free from the slavery of sin through faith in Jesus and are in bondage to sin in unbelief.

 

[loverofjesus27]

Good point. We are fighting it constantly and God does correct. Did you know God disciplines the loved? <3

 

[Ralph-]

Bad fruit/works are not acceptable to God. We should all seek growth and maturity, at times we will hey wrong.

Would you not say though that such fruit/works will be burned up but we will still survive?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Of course the above is not an excuse to do what we want.
We should seek to build correctly in our lives so that we grow into maturity.

That passage is about rewards, not salvation. He even says it's not about salvation, but rather rewards.

The work he is talking about is what you accomplish or don't accomplish in the building and field of God. Successful work in the building and field of God will endure. Unsuccessful work will perish.

The passage is not saying we can live in sin (having no work or change of life) and we will still be saved. If Paul was saying that he would be directly contradicting John who says the person who has no works and is still practicing his old life of sin is not born again.

 

[Ralph-]

Good point. We are fighting it constantly and God does correct. Did you know God disciplines the loved? <3

Yes, I know that. I have lumps on my head to prove it. And I thank God for them. He is careful to discipline his children. We would do well to not resist his correction. There is life in correction.