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If I was a judge of this debate I would sentence all of you involved in the debate "Go and find out what this means: I will have Mercy and not sacrifice." Wen you came back with your sentence fulfilled, would expect you to have forgiven your enemies and praying for them as the fruit of Mercy. But neither am I there fully but in part and am not your judge. "There is One lawgiver who is able to save and destroy, fear Him." The fear of God is admiration worship: To be like Him. We quarrel in our understanding rather than being in Him and are in danger of dead works. Even if we don't believe we can ad anything to the work of God doesn't mean we are abiding in Him: Leaning on our understanding is deceitful. This person may think they are believing but are not doing the will of the Father. Some who believe they are safe are not, and some who don't believe they are safe, are trusting Christ from the heart and are safe. So doesn't mater what side of the debate your on you could still be right or wrong. Should I go on, It would only mean "To go on to know the Lord," what we are all to do, and some call it work some call it Grace either way, "This is the work of God, to believe," in a new identity in Christ.
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We all agree that Jesus is eternally secure, and that we need to be found in Him to be in the resurrection.
And those who go on in sin know that they are in trouble and it's not wise to tell them they are eternally secure.
"Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we who have believed do enter into rest."
This rest, is a place of maturity that those who think they are secure as they are, may find themselves short of, not having invested their whole life in the will of God.
"Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble’s you and thereby many be defiled.” "Let him that is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house: neither him in the field return back to take his clothes." Not to take things in our hands again: not to return to old identity.
It would be better for you not to have been born that to return to your vomit.
Not talking about stumbling and getting up again, I still stumble.
And those who go on in sin know that they are in trouble and it's not wise to tell them they are eternally secure.
"Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we who have believed do enter into rest."
This rest, is a place of maturity that those who think they are secure as they are, may find themselves short of, not having invested their whole life in the will of God.
"Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble’s you and thereby many be defiled.” "Let him that is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house: neither him in the field return back to take his clothes." Not to take things in our hands again: not to return to old identity.
It would be better for you not to have been born that to return to your vomit.
Not talking about stumbling and getting up again, I still stumble.
What kind of works does someone claiming to be saved will possibly have if he/she don't have good works? As they say that a saved person will produce fruit, can bad fruits/works be acceptable or worthy of God's acceptance? No fruit is proof of no Spirit or dead Faith.(james 2:26) A "WALKING DEAD",
Matthew 25:23-30 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ “Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Matthew 25:23-30 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ “Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
There is a meaning of Born of God that helps to understand, even though we are not saved by understanding and can't lean on our understanding.
To be borne of God as carried by God. Its explained in Isaiah 46:4 refers to being borne of God even to old age.
Meaning that it's fair to say that those who were not borne of God until the end were not born of God. "They went out from us because they were not of us."
Just like Israel was borne of God but not all were saved but the ones who continued to walk in the Light they had. Am quite aware that very few would entertain that "We are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast until the end."
I compliment you Ralph for standing against opposition, without compromising, I was influenced somewhat but has helped me gain insight on entering into rest where work is no longer work and also on people saying the same thing differently and that understanding is not what we believe. Jesus is.
To be borne of God as carried by God. Its explained in Isaiah 46:4 refers to being borne of God even to old age.
Meaning that it's fair to say that those who were not borne of God until the end were not born of God. "They went out from us because they were not of us."
Just like Israel was borne of God but not all were saved but the ones who continued to walk in the Light they had. Am quite aware that very few would entertain that "We are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast until the end."
I compliment you Ralph for standing against opposition, without compromising, I was influenced somewhat but has helped me gain insight on entering into rest where work is no longer work and also on people saying the same thing differently and that understanding is not what we believe. Jesus is.
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Speak,this has happened on both sides of the belief system here both sides being a bit mocking or ganging up somewhat,the problem really is "Vanity" as David's son the "Preacher" said "all is vanity" so what must we remember to do?
Trust God and resist witty remarks and underhanded tactics that we still "might think to do" through our "Pride" the Truth is in the eye of the beholder for many religions and denominations but God willing this back and forth discussion might have a prudent conclusion.
And naturally this discussion has lasted for years now because...
The Truth is simple yet complex,wise yet confounding,concerning the subject of this thread after all we are talking about Eternal Salvation,Life after death,Heaven,what worth are our efforts,how to receive salvation,if we can lose it,if we can get it of our own doing,if we must have works when Jesus returns or merely be Vigilant of his return and be ready,all in one subject and thread,it's been the subject of many questions and subject to many answers,and why?
Because it is one of the most important if not the most important thing to discuss "Salvation" with or without works and if they save instead of Jesus or if Jesus through us accepting him as Saviour wholly saves.
Trust God and resist witty remarks and underhanded tactics that we still "might think to do" through our "Pride" the Truth is in the eye of the beholder for many religions and denominations but God willing this back and forth discussion might have a prudent conclusion.
And naturally this discussion has lasted for years now because...
The Truth is simple yet complex,wise yet confounding,concerning the subject of this thread after all we are talking about Eternal Salvation,Life after death,Heaven,what worth are our efforts,how to receive salvation,if we can lose it,if we can get it of our own doing,if we must have works when Jesus returns or merely be Vigilant of his return and be ready,all in one subject and thread,it's been the subject of many questions and subject to many answers,and why?
Because it is one of the most important if not the most important thing to discuss "Salvation" with or without works and if they save instead of Jesus or if Jesus through us accepting him as Saviour wholly saves.