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That is quite enough Ralph,who are you to determine who is suffering or not suffering?
Being "Saved" doesn't mean we "don't suffer" in fact it's what is part of "Serving God/Jesus" many of us "suffer" from "Conviction" and "Memories" and it's because of such suffering that we seek God/Jesus each day though we do so when he has blessed us greatly,and "suffering" is "different" for us all.
You may see say people like Dcontroversal as "not suffering" but you "don't know" and to be "glad" and "bold" in "telling that we are saved through Jesus and "nothing or noone else" is "right" to do,for who being saved will "clasp their mouth shut"?
Who having the Holy Spirit will not be "convicted" through it?
I tell you as Jesus said concerning Caesar "render unto God what is God's" and in this case "render unto man what is man's" it is not your "God given mission" to "get people to change" so leave such things "to God" speak of Jesus,of course,speak of God,of course,but don't "inflict yourself with suffering" or "others" when it "isn't yours to be doing".
Our main mission as Christians is to...
Spread God's word and tell of our Lord and Saviour Jesus and how that through him one can be saved,our "main suffering" is in the "tough to face truth" that God/Jesus "doesn't need us" we are to be but humble servants yet we have "so little" to actually "do" action wise,sure we can "stress ourselves out" over a sin or simply apologize for a sin but as it is written"he who is born again in Christ is a new creature the old is gone the new is come" so that means "we are new" not needing to "worry about" our "old selves" instead "Trust God/Jesus" and "let him guide us" not "convict ourselves" for after all there is but "one true judge" and we "are not worthy to judge","guiding one's self only leads back to one's self".
Being led of the spirit leads to "righteousness" and "serving God/Jesus humbly".
Being "Saved" doesn't mean we "don't suffer" in fact it's what is part of "Serving God/Jesus" many of us "suffer" from "Conviction" and "Memories" and it's because of such suffering that we seek God/Jesus each day though we do so when he has blessed us greatly,and "suffering" is "different" for us all.
You may see say people like Dcontroversal as "not suffering" but you "don't know" and to be "glad" and "bold" in "telling that we are saved through Jesus and "nothing or noone else" is "right" to do,for who being saved will "clasp their mouth shut"?
Who having the Holy Spirit will not be "convicted" through it?
I tell you as Jesus said concerning Caesar "render unto God what is God's" and in this case "render unto man what is man's" it is not your "God given mission" to "get people to change" so leave such things "to God" speak of Jesus,of course,speak of God,of course,but don't "inflict yourself with suffering" or "others" when it "isn't yours to be doing".
Our main mission as Christians is to...
Spread God's word and tell of our Lord and Saviour Jesus and how that through him one can be saved,our "main suffering" is in the "tough to face truth" that God/Jesus "doesn't need us" we are to be but humble servants yet we have "so little" to actually "do" action wise,sure we can "stress ourselves out" over a sin or simply apologize for a sin but as it is written"he who is born again in Christ is a new creature the old is gone the new is come" so that means "we are new" not needing to "worry about" our "old selves" instead "Trust God/Jesus" and "let him guide us" not "convict ourselves" for after all there is but "one true judge" and we "are not worthy to judge","guiding one's self only leads back to one's self".
Being led of the spirit leads to "righteousness" and "serving God/Jesus humbly".
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It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
He that believes on the son is having everlasting life....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
In the grace you are having been saved out of faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of GOD and not of works lest any man should boast.....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
We conclude a man is justified by faith without works....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
David described the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law....no WATER/WORKS mentioned
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosever believes in HIM should not perish, but is having everlasting life...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." ...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul. ....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." ..NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; .....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith......No WTRE/WORKS mentioned
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. ....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life......No WATER/WORKS mentioned
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins." ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." ...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
Seeing their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you." ...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
He that believes on the son is having everlasting life....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
In the grace you are having been saved out of faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of GOD and not of works lest any man should boast.....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
We conclude a man is justified by faith without works....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
David described the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law....no WATER/WORKS mentioned
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosever believes in HIM should not perish, but is having everlasting life...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." ...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul. ....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." ..NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; .....No WATER/WORKS mentioned
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith......No WTRE/WORKS mentioned
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. ....NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life......No WATER/WORKS mentioned
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name...No WATER/WORKS mentioned
"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins." ...NO WATER/WORKS mentioned
And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." ...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
Seeing their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you." ...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls...NO WATER/WORKS MENTIONED
The above statement is the most opened ended statement one could make.
Obedience is to do God will, to follow in His ways, to be an ambassador of His presence here one earth.
What many people mean by obedience it to believe what God says, is just to believe Jesus is the Christ.
Obedience to the sermon on the mount is rejected as legalism, which is why God declares them as liars.
How easily people excuse sin. You know they are excusing it because the very thing that shows it up,
the law, they avoid talking about or even looking at. It is also why the apostles had no problem with
the law because they obeyed it by loving their neighbor. It is this so many are hiding in the darkness,
this ability to love or lack of it. If this was not the issue, they would not create contorted ways to
not be condemned by the law and claim it is satan who is condemning them.
No matter how spiritual anyone believes themselves to be, God will find them out.
Wonder why David was righteous who meditated on Gods law and ideas. This is our example and
Gods will.
Obedience is to do God will, to follow in His ways, to be an ambassador of His presence here one earth.
What many people mean by obedience it to believe what God says, is just to believe Jesus is the Christ.
Obedience to the sermon on the mount is rejected as legalism, which is why God declares them as liars.
How easily people excuse sin. You know they are excusing it because the very thing that shows it up,
the law, they avoid talking about or even looking at. It is also why the apostles had no problem with
the law because they obeyed it by loving their neighbor. It is this so many are hiding in the darkness,
this ability to love or lack of it. If this was not the issue, they would not create contorted ways to
not be condemned by the law and claim it is satan who is condemning them.
No matter how spiritual anyone believes themselves to be, God will find them out.
Wonder why David was righteous who meditated on Gods law and ideas. This is our example and
Gods will.
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STILL NO ONE HAS REALIZED WHY ELAMOR EXPOSED THE COMMON BEHAVIOUR IN THIS THREAD.
AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.
PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.
WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.
I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".
1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him
James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.
Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h
AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.
PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.
WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.
I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".
1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him
James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.
Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h
STILL NO ONE HAS REALIZED WHY ELAMOR EXPOSED THE COMMON BEHAVIOUR IN THIS THREAD.
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AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.
PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.
WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.
I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".
1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him
James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.
Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h
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AS I SEE IT, HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SEE WHAT WILL THE REACTIONS BE IF HE WILL DO THAT TO SOMEONE WHO DOES THE SAME THING AND I REALIZED GOD DID SOMETHING TO REVEAL A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH.
PRIOR TO ELAMOR’S POST HE MENTIONED THAT THOSE WHO REJECT THE LAW ARE THE ANTICHRIST (PARAPHRASED) SINCE THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED/PROPHESIED ABOUT THE LORD AS COMING IN THE FLESH.
WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HERE IN CHRISTIAN CHAT WE ALSO ADHERE TO THEM OR ELSE WE GET BANNED.
I ASKED MYSELF WHY THESE SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WITH SOME EVEN CLAIMING TO BE PREACHERS ARE OBEYING MAN MADE RULES TO THE POINT OF MOCKING AND CONDEMNING THE PERSON WHO VIOLATED SUCH RULES, YET REJECTS GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT OBEDIENCE IS A WORK THAT CANNOT SAVE THEM AND WHATEVER DISOBEDIENCE THEY MAY DO WON’T AFFECT THEIR SALVATION BECAUSE “ONCE SAVED IS ALWAYS SAVED".
1 John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.”
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once MADE PERFECT, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY him
James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was MADE COMPLETE by what he did.
Hebrews 10:15-16,28-29 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
THOSE WHO REPORTED ELAMOR TO THE MODS FOLLOW MAN MADE RULES SO I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY OBEY GOD’S LAWS AND COMMANDS EVEN BETTER OTHERWISE THE BIBLE TELLS US WHO THEY REALLY ARE.h