Not By Works

[Endoscopy]

Get Right with God, me and the thread....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

OH WOW!!! Mr Perfect speaks.

 

[mj007]

In faith, why don't you just turn the other cheek? Just might be helpful. I think sometimes, that you add fuel to the fire, rather than put it out. But what is God's will?

As for your question to Endoscopy, I'll just add my input here rather than the intended input:

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is _a_good_father_ <-WHAT?

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[dcontroversal]

It is not difficult to color thread.....hit the second box and then the box to the right of the font size and pick a color

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I didn't think you were trying to elevate yourself. If you try to think what I might be thinking, people usually get the wrong end of the stick here! I might say some strong statements, in my own way, but most of the time it is with good intention. I say most of the time because I am not perfect, just like no-one else is. But we can strive to be better don't you think?

As for being saved, I do not really think about whether I am saved or not. It would be nice to think I am saved. Jesus is everything to me, Jesus is a part of who I am, and has been since I was much younger, even though I made many mistakes, screwed things up, hurt people, hurt myself. But, to me, Jesus has been the essence of being a better person, doing things better, having a clearer mind, forgiving others completely, becoming purer, and trying to walk with spirit more in my life. Not because I am trying to gain access to heaven or anything like that, but, it is God's will. When I was young I always did my own will, but as I have come to know God more and more, which is a life long experience, I find myself doing God's will more.

But those who kind of claim they are the saved ones and others are not, these personalities tend to make me think, if being saved means I will act like them, then why do I want to be saved? But like I said, it's an illusion that people want you to think one thing about them, and another about yourself. You will find that if I say anything strong, it is more to make one think about themselves, it has nothing to do with how I want people to think about me. In fact, it is probably detrimental to that. And people who say things both ways, will be first to try to use it against me, but hopelessly fail. Not because I am made of material iron, but because I do have a strong faith that is calm. I don't see a need to defend myself, or be drawn into it. Faith is much stronger than anything that wants to take it away. And if people say something of substance that makes me think of myself, I always listen.

But substance exists more with a real voice, rather than words. It is far easier to feel God's love in a room with a few people, than it is in a virtual world full of people wearing masks. Just be yourself, that is all.

You can say, can we start afresh, but really it is to start afresh with ourselves. I am always open, even to those who appear as a brick wall. If suddenly they are loving and kind, it is just a blessing to see that. It matters more that one simply realises that they have a choice in what comes out of them. And by that, I am not perfect in what comes out of me, but I am very thoughtful in what I say, which is different to thoughtless and going around spurting heretic, liar, deceiver, false gospel, sinless perfectionist, bla bla. Fruitless.

welp...

ive looked at you as just another set of fangs

maybe ive been looking only when you had weak moments

but i believe the bible

every word of it

and it is important to me if im going to be used

i dont point anyone to the ditch

i was a sinless perfectionist

God has really turned me around
(ironically delivered me from many more sins and taught me what love really is)

but i now have assurance from His promises

when i call someone a wolf here

or speak against them

its because they are like the men in galatians

and say something that contradicts Gods character
and His inspired word

i dont wish to get emotional

but these people are after my siblings

Gods sheep

and sometimes even if im not calm
im not hateful

theres no malice


this is serious business

spiritual warfare

and id rather yell a truth out of love and wanting them to hear me

and whisper a gentle lie to manipulate


ive been praying for patience

sorry if i offended you earlier

but ill say it one more time

dave is a brother in Christ

and he has a heart for the Lord

 

[dcontroversal]

In faith, why don't you just turn the other cheek? Just might be helpful. I think sometimes, that you add fuel to the fire, rather than put it out. But what is God's will?

As for your question to Endoscopy, I'll just add my input here rather than the intended input:

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is _a_good_father_ <-WHAT?

Yeah....not quite what the bible sates....why is it so hard for you guys to answer 3 simple questions............


Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[mj007]

Hey David, I was just trying to be light hearted.

Yeah....not quite what the bible sates....why is it so hard for you guys to answer 3 simple questions............


Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[dcontroversal]

welp...

ive looked at you as just another set of fangs

maybe ive been looking only when you had weak moments

but i believe the bible

every word of it

and it is important to me if im going to be used

i dont point anyone to the ditch

i was a sinless perfectionist

God has really turned me around
(ironically delivered me from many more sins and taught me what love really is)

but i now have assurance from His promises

when i call someone a wolf here

or speak against them

its because they are like the men in galatians

and say something that contradicts Gods character
and His inspired word

i dont wish to get emotional

but these people are after my siblings

Gods sheep

and sometimes even if im not calm
im not hateful

theres no malice


this is serious business

spiritual warfare

and id rather yell a truth out of love and wanting them to hear me

and whisper a gentle lie to manipulate


ive been praying for patience

sorry if i offended you earlier

but ill say it one more time

dave is a brother in Christ

and he has a heart for the Lord

Amen bro........

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey David, I was just trying to be light hearted.

Cool...peace.......

 

[Rosemaryx]

It is not difficult to color thread.....hit the second box and then the box to the right of the font size and pick a color

I am saved ...lol...

 

[dcontroversal]

OH WOW!!! Mr Perfect speaks.

Hardly........I fail every day....thank God for his out bounding grace.....

When you going to apologize for falsely accusing me? and why cannot you answer the three simple questions for ALL to see?


Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[dcontroversal]

I am saved ...lol...

AMEN ROSE and too be honest.......I believe you :)

 

[BillG]

OH WOW!!! Mr Perfect speaks.

Please my friend.
Don't fall foul of what you accuse.
Also don't foul before you accuse.

 

[BillG]

Hardly........I fail every day....thank God for his out bounding grace.....

When you going to apologize for falsely accusing me? and why cannot you answer the three simple questions for ALL to see?


Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

What you fail?
Well that's you off my Christmas card list.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

AMEN ROSE and too be honest.......I believe you :)

i 2nd that opinion

such a lovely sister


(praise God for making you new)

 

[LightLoveHope]

Jesus is the example of true love, life and purity, whose example we are called to follow.

But here is a member saying I am "sad, dishonest, deceived"

May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus
Romans 15:5

Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus
Philippians 2:5

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Corinthians 11:1

This is our calling. What is amazing to me is how readers in their own minds
turn the words to mean something else than they are saying.

If we are not to follow Jesus's example, why are we called to do exactly that
and to be conformed into His likeness?

I know that those who change the words in their minds as they read them, I can
never get through, because they see a different world, one that does not actually
exist, though it appears very very real to them.

And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit
2 Corinthians 3:18

 

[mj007]

Dude you never offend me, and it is very hard to offend me. People who are offended easily tend to always be on the defence or counter-attack, always needing the last word. And yes I have my weak moments, but it tends to come out in one go.

Just understand how you are a part of God's plan to bring peace to others, to plant love where there isn't any, to try and uplift the broken. We can all stop and realise, that our time can be spent sharing a kind word or two, making someone smile, rather than wasting it on our emotions, our weak moments. We all have our struggles, for me probably the biggest challenge is doing the job of two people, my job is insane. But the last two weeks have been overly different from any other. That started when I decided, you know what, I'm going to get up in the morning, and the first thing I am going to do, is talk to God. What I mean by that is I write it down. While people might seeing praying as talking to God, I see praying as more, being still, and focusing on God, and being grateful, becoming aware of myself and my thoughts.

Here is probably the most beautiful thing he said to me recently:

I am the voice of Jesus. I am the moon and the stars. I am all that is alive, and all things are alive. But in what form they take, or who uses that form, while it is a part of me, and I am the creator; I draw them close to me, I do not draw them apart from me. And that is the difference between man and I. For I see, what you do not see, and can never see. But a man must see, and while he may think that he is drawing something close to me, if it is not by my divine instruction to do so, then he does not see that he is drawing something away from me. In good faith, you come closer to me, and you do not question that which you do not see, you listen and you accept, and my work is done, even if you could not see how.

welp...

ive looked at you as just another set of fangs

maybe ive been looking only when you had weak moments

but i believe the bible

every word of it

and it is important to me if im going to be used

i dont point anyone to the ditch

i was a sinless perfectionist

God has really turned me around
(ironically delivered me from many more sins and taught me what love really is)

but i now have assurance from His promises

when i call someone a wolf here

or speak against them

its because they are like the men in galatians

and say something that contradicts Gods character
and His inspired word

i dont wish to get emotional

but these people are after my siblings

Gods sheep

and sometimes even if im not calm
im not hateful

theres no malice


this is serious business

spiritual warfare

and id rather yell a truth out of love and wanting them to hear me

and whisper a gentle lie to manipulate


ive been praying for patience

sorry if i offended you earlier

but ill say it one more time

dave is a brother in Christ

and he has a heart for the Lord

 

[LightLoveHope]

We sin everyday.

This is a big claim. It is a claim that there is no such thing as being pure, undefiled
at any point outside 24hrs.

But unfortunately the same people are often saying something else.
They believe we are always sinners, we are never cleansed and made Holy,
rather they believe we are innately evil.

Now Jesus came to become a man to show this theology is wrong.
Jesus was without sin. Sin is not innate within a human, but unrepentended
sin defiles the person. So a murderer is a murderer in Gods eyes until they
repent and accept Gods forgiveness through the cross.

People are so locked into un-repented sin, they do not know what it means to
be completely forgiven.

The only reason Paul could say Gods people were Holy because they have been purified
and cleansed. But for people who do not believe this or experience it, no wonder they
testify that they are caught without freedom, even to the extent of unbelief by saying
tomorrow they will sin. This is pure unbelief in Christ and His forgiveness.

 

[BillG]

i 2nd that opinion

such a lovely sister


(praise God for making you new)

I 3rd it......

 

[LightLoveHope]

Faith in oneself or faith in the cross

Does the cross purify us and make us Holy?

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Peter 1:22

Now either we have been purified by obeying the truth or we are still defiled?
Peter is saying we are pure.

The complexity is this kind of love and depth does not happen overnight.
So there is a sense of continual purification and washing in both the word
and the Holy Spirit.

This is where the language becomes complicated.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

Sin defiles and makes us unholy, so resolving issues is part of the walk.
Like any athlete in training there are set backs on the road to the ultimate goal.

I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
Revelation 2:21

Conviction of sin is about behaviour, the consequences, admiting the error and evil,
and walking another path. This takes time, sometimes a lifetime. This is Gods work,
yet some want to compromise it all.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Insults - Its a privilege to be called a liar, someone who is a hypocrite, who walks righteously
yet is called a sinner.

Those with an impure heart, who are bowed down with sin and evil can see no other.
If one is counted an enemy of those who are friends with the world, Halleluyah, Praise the
Lord that we are counted worthy to stand alongside our Lord, accused of the same crimes
of blazing as a light, while sinners run around search for ammunition to disown them.