Not By Works

[NoNameMcgee]

You can call me anything, its ok, you won't find me go an a tirade of prove it etc. I don't really see people for what comes out of them, I see the person underneath, which can often be hidden especially in the internet world. I will always try to defend in a non-biased sense. As in my real life, I have always been a peacemaker. In my job, in my family - I don't like to see people fight or argue, to no end, with no-one learning anything, just like here. 54000+ posts and what has anyone learned really? What is the truth? Or is it just a place for people to vent on people who share a different view?

I think the words people use to paint a picture of another are without value, compared to the substance of a response. Maybe it is a lack of response that causes it, and it becomes easier to call someone names as a way of being right. However, this is defiling the words of another, really. Words can ALWAYS be put a different way. As I have tried many a time here, to try and understand, and get through to those who seem to struggle with the concept of being loving towards others, whomever they are.

Regardless of how people respond to us, it still goes somewhere. And I always try to speak in such a way. To that part, even if I am getting a response that is not from where I spoke to.

You say that Ralph tries to be subtle and constantly manipulate words. Is it the truth that no-one else here does that?
As for hypocrisy, we all suffer from that from time to time, because the body is ruled by emotions. And emotions flow in and out of different states. But the only emotion that is true in God's eyes is peace. Because if you have found peace, you have found God. Be still and know that I am God. I don't think its, go around calling people names and know that I am God. It is be still. Calm. Quiet. Humble.

Ralph defends his views in a calm way, why is it so hard for those against his views to do the same?

As for yourself, observe what influences you, and whether you or it is really coming from God. You are young and I think easily influenced by loudness. Some people grow up angry at something, and it alters their personality, pushes them away from God while they may well think they are getting closer to God. It feels like that 'emotionally' until it crashes. Emotions are of the body, peace is of God, and is the only true emotion, together with every branch of that emotion like joy. Do you feel peaceful?

As for telling Dave to use his brain, I thought maybe using his language might help. And yes one can take the smallest negative and exaggerate it. Well, to put it in perspective, take everything negative Dave has said to anyone, and there is the truth. Regardless of whether he happens to be right, I don't think that he is wrong about everything, but mostly wrong in his attitude which make the substance of what he says valueless, but only of value to those who happen to like 'anything' he says, or of value to people he values and surprisingly 'never' corrects even in their errors which they do make.

I like to make people think, and inspire some change even if people might openly try to dismiss that, or defile its value. Generally I am good natured, but I have my days where people become so annoying. I'm human just like anyone else here. I didn't float down from space as a spirit, no-one here has. I don't like to see people being attacked in a shallow way. It just isn't Gods way. It is the way of someone who struggles, but denies it, and then appears over-confident in that denial. "Lord, I am prepared to go with you both to prison and to death", he said confidently. It was an illusion. He would surely deny Jesus. Do those who speak boldly and confidently, always speak with grace? Rarely.

i wasnt trying to elevate myself above you mj

im also not perfect

how you call yourself a peacemaker
ive been regarded as the same


and replying in a calm manner
yes
this is ideal

its one of the reasons i have so much respect for brothers like BillG

if i was out of line by pointing out you behaving as a hypocrit

i will admit im not above acting like this too


but what you seem to be missing about dave

is he is lied about constantly
constantly attacked

i stood up for a brother when someone came against him


right now youre standing up for ralph

who is not always calm
and pushes a false gospel


you know what

can we start fresh?


ive never spoken to you one on one

ive just seen you post


do you not believe we are only saved through the imputed righteousness of Jesus

we cannot add to or take away from His sacrifice

and once you are born again
you are a new creature and saved?
(forever)

 

[Endoscopy]

Dude you need to repent. Your just wrong.. and to continue lie about a brother is just proof you have no light in you, or your light was extinguished. R 7

No one who continues day in and day out lieing about other people has Gods light, You may be saved, I can not judge that, But if you are saved, your light is extinguished and you need to Have God light it again.

Tell me where I am wrong. My point as expressed by Jesus is good works proves true faith and bad works proves bad faith. The question then is what faith are you talking about? Works shows which.

Matthew 7


True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

James 2

Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessness ? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

 

[Endoscopy]

Which is more of a danger?

1. A false teacher, who has no fruit?

2. A false teacher, who comes in all religious and does all these religious works. And appears clean on the outside?

or are they both just as dangerous?

Red herring issue.

 

[VCO]

Hi all...I love this Scripture ...Lamentations 3:22-23 [FONT=&quot]The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] his mercies never come to an end;[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]23 they are new every morning;[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] great is your faithfulness... Isaiah 43:25 [/FONT]"I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more... We have turned back to God , we are now His children , those who have been born again of the Spirit... Romans 3:24 Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins... Thank you God for your fesh Grace and Mercy that you give us each morning...Thank you LORD that we are saved by your grace ... Ephesians 2:8-10: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them... Philippians 2:13 For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him... Amen and praise the Lord \/...Just exercising my faith here in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord...xox...

I get that you tried the Font Colors and it did not work. Here if you what blue, notice the first bracket should be lower case or you will not see it, {COLOR=#0000FF]so you will see blue{/COLOR] , that is four zeros and two F's. I it is with the correct bracket so you will see blue. NOW if you want to see bold blue, you type with the first character lower case bracket {B]{COLOR=#0000FF]so you will see bold blue{/COLOR]{/B]. All those upper case brackets, has to be changed to lower case, that / tells it to STOP COLOR, and to STOP Bold Type. Now let's see if it works, so you will see it in Bold Blue. NOW, I have to ask, how did you get it to leave a space between paragraphs? Mine just runs it all together.

 

[Endoscopy]

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question?

True faith!! How do we know true faith? ​WORKS!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

If a runny nose is a symptom of a cold, can you have a cold without a runny nose? Yes most likely, it is true, but, most often than not, a runny nose will be a symptom of a cold. But can you have a runny nose without it being a symptom of anything? No of course not.

And so, good works are a symptom of a sincere faith. Can you have good works without a sincere faith? No of course not. Can you have a sincere faith without good works? Yes most likely, it is true, but, most often than not, good works are a symptom of a sincere faith.

Not one person has denied this truth except those who deceptively say that we do not believe or say that.....again the contention is, has been and will be....

Salvation

a. By faith alone to gain eternal salvation that cannot be lost and may or may not have/produce good works based upon growth, maturity and a steady diet of biblical teaching
b. Faith to gain salvation which is kept or maintained by works and can be lost
c. Faith plus works to gain, keep and maintain salvation and can be lost

I submit A is the biblical answer and that a true born again child of God has ALREADY done the works of the HEAVENLY Father in belief.....a believer can produce good works, can fail like DAVID and have works that are not so good, live righteous, fail and sin (not a lifestyle of sin) yet their salvation is eternally secure in Christ having been maintained and secured by the work, promises and power of Christ

 

[dcontroversal]

True faith!! How do we know true faith? ​WORKS!!!

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[MichaelOwen]

55,000...........East bound and down....loading up and truckin'

 

[NoNameMcgee]

55,000...........East bound and down....loading up and truckin'

lol we will get there

 

[BillG]

Mr. BillG - I have a problem with your theology? If you think that you can buy righteousness by your faith, I think you will not make it to heaven. All your good works will never save you! LOL!

(Hey, are we at 55000 yet? . . . .)

There's always one who looks at the semantics.
Seems like you and I are the same.
Not at 55,000 yet.
Guven that your post is 5479 and my post is 5480 then we only have 420 posts to go.

Unless someone posts and hits post before I do then we need to reevaluate the numbers.

Not being semantic and and all that.

You did make me laugh Mr Chester.

 

[Endoscopy]

I get that you tried the Font Colors and it did not work. Here if you what blue, notice the first bracket shoul be lower case or you will not see it, {COLOR=#0000FF]so you will see blue{/COLOR] , that is four zeros and two F's. I it is with the correct bracket so you will see blue. NOW if you want to see bold blue, you type with the first character lower case bracket {B]{COLOR=#0000FF]so you will see bold blue{/COLOR]{/B]. All those upper case brackets, has to be changed to lower case, that / tells it to STOP COLOR, and to STOP Bold Type. Now let's see if it works, so you will see it in Bold Blue. NOW, I have to ask, how did you get it to leave a space between paragraphs? Mine just runs it all together.

The six hexadecimal numbers create the color. The higher the number the brighter the color. First 2 are red, second 2 are green, last 2 are blue. These are the three primary colors on a screen. You can create any color by varying the numbers.

 

[7777pinacled]

lol we will get there

Should be west bound

 

[Endoscopy]

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

True faith. True faith is proven by Works. ​Something that you choose to ignore!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

True faith. True faith is proven by Works.

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[mj007]

I didn't think you were trying to elevate yourself. If you try to think what I might be thinking, people usually get the wrong end of the stick here! I might say some strong statements, in my own way, but most of the time it is with good intention. I say most of the time because I am not perfect, just like no-one else is. But we can strive to be better don't you think?

As for being saved, I do not really think about whether I am saved or not. It would be nice to think I am saved. Jesus is everything to me, Jesus is a part of who I am, and has been since I was much younger, even though I made many mistakes, screwed things up, hurt people, hurt myself. But, to me, Jesus has been the essence of being a better person, doing things better, having a clearer mind, forgiving others completely, becoming purer, and trying to walk with spirit more in my life. Not because I am trying to gain access to heaven or anything like that, but, it is God's will. When I was young I always did my own will, but as I have come to know God more and more, which is a life long experience, I find myself doing God's will more.

But those who kind of claim they are the saved ones and others are not, these personalities tend to make me think, if being saved means I will act like them, then why do I want to be saved? But like I said, it's an illusion that people want you to think one thing about them, and another about yourself. You will find that if I say anything strong, it is more to make one think about themselves, it has nothing to do with how I want people to think about me. In fact, it is probably detrimental to that. And people who say things both ways, will be first to try to use it against me, but hopelessly fail. Not because I am made of material iron, but because I do have a strong faith that is calm. I don't see a need to defend myself, or be drawn into it. Faith is much stronger than anything that wants to take it away. And if people say something of substance that makes me think of myself, I always listen.

But substance exists more with a real voice, rather than words. It is far easier to feel God's love in a room with a few people, than it is in a virtual world full of people wearing masks. Just be yourself, that is all.

You can say, can we start afresh, but really it is to start afresh with ourselves. I am always open, even to those who appear as a brick wall. If suddenly they are loving and kind, it is just a blessing to see that. It matters more that one simply realises that they have a choice in what comes out of them. And by that, I am not perfect in what comes out of me, but I am very thoughtful in what I say, which is different to thoughtless and going around spurting heretic, liar, deceiver, false gospel, sinless perfectionist, bla bla. Fruitless.

i wasnt trying to elevate myself above you mj

im also not perfect

how you call yourself a peacemaker
ive been regarded as the same


and replying in a calm manner
yes
this is ideal

its one of the reasons i have so much respect for brothers like BillG

if i was out of line by pointing out you behaving as a hypocrit

i will admit im not above acting like this too


but what you seem to be missing about dave

is he is lied about constantly
constantly attacked

i stood up for a brother when someone came against him


right now youre standing up for ralph

who is not always calm
and pushes a false gospel


you know what

can we start fresh?


ive never spoken to you one on one

ive just seen you post


do you not believe we are only saved through the imputed righteousness of Jesus

we cannot add to or take away from His sacrifice

and once you are born again
you are a new creature and saved?
(forever)

 

[MichaelOwen]

Just biding time till we hit 55.....because I....CAN'T DRIVE......Fifty fiiiiiiiiiiive!.....(being random, sorry) lol

 

[Endoscopy]

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even 0easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

You choose to ignore my Biblical point so begone with you. Try real dialog for a change.

 

[dcontroversal]

You choosecto ignore my Biblical point so begone with you.

Get Right with God, me and the thread....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

So your works today and false allegations prove what about you?

You owe men an open apology for being deceptive about what I have said in this thread...


Originally Posted by dcontroversal

The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......

Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?

a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma


Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....

I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....

Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....

HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?

WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?

HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?

WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question

 

[Rosemaryx]

I get that you tried the Font Colors and it did not work. Here if you what blue, notice the first bracket should be lower case or you will not see it, {COLOR=#0000FF]so you will see blue{/COLOR] , that is four zeros and two F's. I it is with the correct bracket so you will see blue. NOW if you want to see bold blue, you type with the first character lower case bracket {B]{COLOR=#0000FF]so you will see bold blue{/COLOR]{/B]. All those upper case brackets, has to be changed to lower case, that / tells it to STOP COLOR, and to STOP Bold Type. Now let's see if it works, so you will see it in Bold Blue. NOW, I have to ask, how did you get it to leave a space between paragraphs? Mine just runs it all together.

I am sorry VCO , but I do not understand what you mean...I was not trying to colour my wording , am confused lol...xox...

 

[preston39]

Nothing in all creation can separate us. (Romans 8:38-39). And no one, that includes ourselves, can snatch us out of God's hand. (John 10:28-29).

Period.

So, yeah. Once you're saved, it's a done deal. Even if later on, you don't like it.

B...,

Not scriptural.

Repented status...can be lost.