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The last two pages have proven you have no credibility.....you have misrepresented the facts about me openly, refused to apologize when proven false and refused to answer a few basic questions that proves your deception.......
Still bearing false witness I see and if you have read this thread you can plainly see that I have made numerous references fo any fruit or work being the result of faith and salvation....WHY do you KEEP bearing false witness?.......how about answer the simple questions......of course you won't why?
a. You cannot because you do not know
b. It destroys your dogma
Still waiting on you to answer a few kindergarten milk questions from the word....
I will break it down and make it even easier to read and answer if there are too many words for you ENDOSCOPY....
Answer the FOLLOWING EASY questions....
HOW does one get placed INTO the VINE?
WHAT WORK places one into the VINE?
HE that BELIEVES in the SON and CONFESSES this BELIEF is ____________ <-WHAT?
WHAT 1 word goes with the bolded ONE right above this question?
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Amen NNM...It is such a beautiful thing to see a man of God admit his way was wrong and shout it out from the rooftops for all to see , now that is the BEA~UTI~FUL fruit of the Holy Spirit , shining out of you for all to see...
..And I know I can praise you because I have seen it in the bible that others can edify each other , admitting you were in error , and now you can sing " I once was lost , but now I am found , was BLIND , but now I see "...Praise God \/...xox...
..And I know I can praise you because I have seen it in the bible that others can edify each other , admitting you were in error , and now you can sing " I once was lost , but now I am found , was BLIND , but now I see "...Praise God \/...xox...
This is true. If a person truly accepted Jesus into their heart as their personal Lord and Savior, you're going to see works, not EVIL works, but good works come out of them. Their character is going to stand out, you'll see the fruits of the Spirit manifest in them. It won't take long, and you'll know whether you're dealing with a believer or a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Your words again. Remember that good works prove true faith. Works are evidence of faith.
Salvation is based upon FAITH alone.....there is not 1 WORK that saves a man, keeps a man saved, embellishes and or tops off salvation which is instantaneously and eternally given at the moment one exercises saving faith into the WORK OF CHRIST......wake up....this thread is not ABOUT fruit or works...it is about how one is BIBLICALLY saved......
No good works no true faith!!!
Salvation is based upon FAITH alone.....there is not 1 WORK that saves a man, keeps a man saved, embellishes and or tops off salvation which is instantaneously and eternally given at the moment one exercises saving faith into the WORK OF CHRIST......wake up....this thread is not ABOUT fruit or works...it is about how one is BIBLICALLY saved......
No good works no true faith!!!
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Faith without works is dead...
So don't hate the homosexuals, and the murders.
And love them, the fact that we are all humans and all breathe the same, doesn't place any one over the other.
God is not a respecter of persons.
God is love, and it is important to love... that is what this scripture is talking about.
[FONT="]James 2:14 What [is] the profit, my brethren, if faith, any one may speak of having, and works (love) he may not have? is that faith able to save him?[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 and if a brother or sister may be naked, and may be destitute of the daily food,[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 and any one of you may say to them, `Depart ye in peace, be warmed, and be filled,' and may not give to them the things needful for the body, what [is] the profit?
17 so also the faith, if it may not have works (love), is dead by itself.[/FONT]
So don't hate the homosexuals, and the murders.
And love them, the fact that we are all humans and all breathe the same, doesn't place any one over the other.
God is not a respecter of persons.
God is love, and it is important to love... that is what this scripture is talking about.
[FONT="]James 2:14 What [is] the profit, my brethren, if faith, any one may speak of having, and works (love) he may not have? is that faith able to save him?[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 and if a brother or sister may be naked, and may be destitute of the daily food,[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 and any one of you may say to them, `Depart ye in peace, be warmed, and be filled,' and may not give to them the things needful for the body, what [is] the profit?
17 so also the faith, if it may not have works (love), is dead by itself.[/FONT]
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Dude you need to repent. Your just wrong.. and to continue lie about a brother is just proof you have no light in you, or your light was extinguished.
No one who continues day in and day out lieing about other people has Gods light, You may be saved, I can not judge that, But if you are saved, your light is extinguished and you need to Have God light it again.
You can call me anything, its ok, you won't find me go an a tirade of prove it etc. I don't really see people for what comes out of them, I see the person underneath, which can often be hidden especially in the internet world. I will always try to defend in a non-biased sense. As in my real life, I have always been a peacemaker. In my job, in my family - I don't like to see people fight or argue, to no end, with no-one learning anything, just like here. 54000+ posts and what has anyone learned really? What is the truth? Or is it just a place for people to vent on people who share a different view?
I think the words people use to paint a picture of another are without value, compared to the substance of a response. Maybe it is a lack of response that causes it, and it becomes easier to call someone names as a way of being right. However, this is defiling the words of another, really. Words can ALWAYS be put a different way. As I have tried many a time here, to try and understand, and get through to those who seem to struggle with the concept of being loving towards others, whomever they are.
Regardless of how people respond to us, it still goes somewhere. And I always try to speak in such a way. To that part, even if I am getting a response that is not from where I spoke to.
You say that Ralph tries to be subtle and constantly manipulate words. Is it the truth that no-one else here does that?
As for hypocrisy, we all suffer from that from time to time, because the body is ruled by emotions. And emotions flow in and out of different states. But the only emotion that is true in God's eyes is peace. Because if you have found peace, you have found God. Be still and know that I am God. I don't think its, go around calling people names and know that I am God. It is be still. Calm. Quiet. Humble.
Ralph defends his views in a calm way, why is it so hard for those against his views to do the same?
As for yourself, observe what influences you, and whether you or it is really coming from God. You are young and I think easily influenced by loudness. Some people grow up angry at something, and it alters their personality, pushes them away from God while they may well think they are getting closer to God. It feels like that 'emotionally' until it crashes. Emotions are of the body, peace is of God, and is the only true emotion, together with every branch of that emotion like joy. Do you feel peaceful?
As for telling Dave to use his brain, I thought maybe using his language might help. And yes one can take the smallest negative and exaggerate it. Well, to put it in perspective, take everything negative Dave has said to anyone, and there is the truth. Regardless of whether he happens to be right, I don't think that he is wrong about everything, but mostly wrong in his attitude which make the substance of what he says valueless, but only of value to those who happen to like 'anything' he says, or of value to people he values and surprisingly 'never' corrects even in their errors which they do make.
I like to make people think, and inspire some change even if people might openly try to dismiss that, or defile its value. Generally I am good natured, but I have my days where people become so annoying. I'm human just like anyone else here. I didn't float down from space as a spirit, no-one here has. I don't like to see people being attacked in a shallow way. It just isn't Gods way. It is the way of someone who struggles, but denies it, and then appears over-confident in that denial. "Lord, I am prepared to go with you both to prison and to death", he said confidently. It was an illusion. He would surely deny Jesus. Do those who speak boldly and confidently, always speak with grace? Rarely.
I think the words people use to paint a picture of another are without value, compared to the substance of a response. Maybe it is a lack of response that causes it, and it becomes easier to call someone names as a way of being right. However, this is defiling the words of another, really. Words can ALWAYS be put a different way. As I have tried many a time here, to try and understand, and get through to those who seem to struggle with the concept of being loving towards others, whomever they are.
Regardless of how people respond to us, it still goes somewhere. And I always try to speak in such a way. To that part, even if I am getting a response that is not from where I spoke to.
You say that Ralph tries to be subtle and constantly manipulate words. Is it the truth that no-one else here does that?
As for hypocrisy, we all suffer from that from time to time, because the body is ruled by emotions. And emotions flow in and out of different states. But the only emotion that is true in God's eyes is peace. Because if you have found peace, you have found God. Be still and know that I am God. I don't think its, go around calling people names and know that I am God. It is be still. Calm. Quiet. Humble.
Ralph defends his views in a calm way, why is it so hard for those against his views to do the same?
As for yourself, observe what influences you, and whether you or it is really coming from God. You are young and I think easily influenced by loudness. Some people grow up angry at something, and it alters their personality, pushes them away from God while they may well think they are getting closer to God. It feels like that 'emotionally' until it crashes. Emotions are of the body, peace is of God, and is the only true emotion, together with every branch of that emotion like joy. Do you feel peaceful?
As for telling Dave to use his brain, I thought maybe using his language might help. And yes one can take the smallest negative and exaggerate it. Well, to put it in perspective, take everything negative Dave has said to anyone, and there is the truth. Regardless of whether he happens to be right, I don't think that he is wrong about everything, but mostly wrong in his attitude which make the substance of what he says valueless, but only of value to those who happen to like 'anything' he says, or of value to people he values and surprisingly 'never' corrects even in their errors which they do make.
I like to make people think, and inspire some change even if people might openly try to dismiss that, or defile its value. Generally I am good natured, but I have my days where people become so annoying. I'm human just like anyone else here. I didn't float down from space as a spirit, no-one here has. I don't like to see people being attacked in a shallow way. It just isn't Gods way. It is the way of someone who struggles, but denies it, and then appears over-confident in that denial. "Lord, I am prepared to go with you both to prison and to death", he said confidently. It was an illusion. He would surely deny Jesus. Do those who speak boldly and confidently, always speak with grace? Rarely.
You do DC a disservice along with many others, including myself.
I will talk about me.
I posted to you 54309
I really have no idea why you are disagreeing with me.
Read my posts in response to you.
Then post what it is that we disagree on.
Then we can talk more.
If not then let's made leave it at that.
Once again, genuine faith will produce works.
It's a no brainer
So what is the difference between your embolded and mine?
Is there any?
I can't see it.
You say in post 54069
"A person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone"
To which I posted verses that clearly states that were are declared righteous buy our faith"
Then you say in post 54297 To EG
"We are saved by grace through the sacrifice of Jesus. If we accept his sacrifice we are saved. Rejecting him is the only unforgivable sin"
Saved by grace only comes through faith.
Then many posts back you accuse me of not understanding the Bible and no nothing about systematic theology.
I have no idea what systematic theology means.
I do my research, look behind the words and the intent of the words and what the writer is trying to convey.
So DC, EG, BUDMAN and many others.
Does genuine faith produces good works?
I know the answer.
But Endo seems to think that you reject that along with me.
Finally Endo
You say
"True faith produces good works"
I said
"Once again genuine faith will produce works"
Over to you brother
I will talk about me.
I posted to you 54309
I really have no idea why you are disagreeing with me.
Read my posts in response to you.
Then post what it is that we disagree on.
Then we can talk more.
If not then let's made leave it at that.
Once again, genuine faith will produce works.
It's a no brainer
So what is the difference between your embolded and mine?
Is there any?
I can't see it.
You say in post 54069
"A person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone"
To which I posted verses that clearly states that were are declared righteous buy our faith"
Then you say in post 54297 To EG
"We are saved by grace through the sacrifice of Jesus. If we accept his sacrifice we are saved. Rejecting him is the only unforgivable sin"
Saved by grace only comes through faith.
Then many posts back you accuse me of not understanding the Bible and no nothing about systematic theology.
I have no idea what systematic theology means.
I do my research, look behind the words and the intent of the words and what the writer is trying to convey.
So DC, EG, BUDMAN and many others.
Does genuine faith produces good works?
I know the answer.
But Endo seems to think that you reject that along with me.
Finally Endo
You say
"True faith produces good works"
I said
"Once again genuine faith will produce works"
Over to you brother
If a runny nose is a symptom of a cold, can you have a cold without a runny nose? Yes most likely, it is true, but, most often than not, a runny nose will be a symptom of a cold. But can you have a runny nose without it being a symptom of anything? No of course not.
And so, good works are a symptom of a sincere faith. Can you have good works without a sincere faith? No of course not. Can you have a sincere faith without good works? Yes most likely, it is true, but, most often than not, good works are a symptom of a sincere faith.
And so, good works are a symptom of a sincere faith. Can you have good works without a sincere faith? No of course not. Can you have a sincere faith without good works? Yes most likely, it is true, but, most often than not, good works are a symptom of a sincere faith.