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I have no clue and there ya go accusing innocent people of planning and having people banned.....ONCEFALLEN can answer this question for you...ask him if we PLANNED anything and had people banned.....
No, I'd rather ask the readers to search your thread for themselves.

Go to the beginning, click on the first banned member you see, click on their latest posts, check the latest 5 posts, and you'll find that over 90% of them were banned in that thread.

Don't believe me, see for yourselves.

I cannot explain how they managed it, but the numbers are staggering & obvious.
 
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No, I'd rather ask the readers to search your thread for themselves.

Go to the beginning, click on the first banned member you see, click on their latest posts, check the latest 5 posts, and you'll find that over 90% of them were banned in that thread.

Don't believe me, see for yourselves.

I cannot explain how they managed it, but the numbers are staggering & obvious.
I suppose you think he would lie to you as well.....boy you digging a ditch....
 
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BTW, I want OnceFallen in this thread, too.

I want him to look at your NBW's thread & count up all the banned people, too.

I don't have an axe to grind with him at all.

I just want him to see how many of the same members over & over reported people after those same people were driven to the breaking point by yer buddies.
 
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DC, tell me why your Not By Works thread has more bans in it than all other threads combined.

Then explain to me how they weren't planned by you & yer crew.

You know whats funny, Many of the bans have been people who believe as we do. So once again, you just stuck your foot in your mouth. (Utah, grace777 to name a few)

Not to mention. Your mocking the mods in CC, by saying they are mani[pulated by people in the thread manipulating others to ban others. Why do you not explain this to oncefallen why he is so incapable of managing CC, and he can be conned into banning people.

wow. What nerve!
 
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I have no clue and there ya go accusing innocent people of planning and having people banned.....ONCEFALLEN can answer this question for you...ask him if we PLANNED anything and had people banned.....

I just emailed him and asked him to read these two posts and explain if this accusation is true or not.

Good for you, if you let him know. I will not bug him, Let him handle this nonsense.
 
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BTW, I want OnceFallen in this thread, too.

I want him to look at your NBW's thread & count up all the banned people, too.

I don't have an axe to grind with him at all.

I just want him to see how many of the same members over & over reported people after those same people were driven to the breaking point by yer buddies.

This is the my last post to you on this subject. All you continue to do is prove you complete lack of knowledge of the banning system. And the reporting system.

Just because you report someone does not mean they will get banned. It does nto even mean the mods will do anything. They have the right to check what is going on, and if they determine no rule was broken, Nothing will happen. If it gets out of hand. Numerous times, I have seen them close threads without banning anyone.

second, Your not supposed to question why anyone gets banned. It is in the rules of the forum, why you continue to do this, is on you my friend. If something happens to you. Do not blame us.

third. For everyone else in this room, I would recommend no more discussion on this topic with this user, Not sure what his motive is, but it can not be good. And continued discussion may be harmful to yourself.

 
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You know whats funny, Many of the bans have been people who believe as we do. So once again, you just stuck your foot in your mouth. (Utah, grace777 to name a few)

Not to mention. Your mocking the mods in CC, by saying they are mani[pulated by people in the thread manipulating others to ban others. Why do you not explain this to oncefallen why he is so incapable of managing CC, and he can be conned into banning people.

wow. What nerve!
I had to read thru the thread twice to make sure I saw what I thought I saw.

Those two did seem to be on your side. But they were the only two.

I indicated 10% would be for other reasons.

BTW, why are you accusing & judging me of doing all these things in yer post?

Do you have special privileges to do that?

I didn't think so.
 
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second, Your not supposed to question why anyone gets banned. It is in the rules of the forum, why you continue to do this, is on you my friend. If something happens to you. Do not blame us.


I'm not questioning why they got banned.

I'm questioning why you're allowed to set others up to be banned & make them look like troublemakers & uneducated trash.

Big difference.


third. For everyone else in this room, I would recommend no more discussion on this topic with this user, Not sure what his motive is, but it can not be good. And continued discussion may be harmful to yourself.
Are you using psychology to get others to be fearful of me & not trust me?

That's manipulation.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Manipulating people to make them think certain people are bad.

I don't go around & tell people what to think. I give them something to think about, & let them make up their own minds.

That's the way God does it. He leaves us to choose.
 
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What exactly will it take for us to stand up & tell people to quit telling us what to think?

The apostles taught us what we ought to think, but not even they tried to make us think what they wanted.

Jesus didn't do it. Jesus never tried to manipulate us.

But who in the Bible tries to do it all the time?

One hint: "Thou shall not surely die."
 

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Again you are trying to make the Word say what it does not say.

Rev. 1:13 John was on the Isle of Patmos. He was not called up into Heaven until Rev. 4:1
He did see Jesus standing in the mist of the seven churches he was to send this letter to.
Jesus is standing in the mist of all true churches today.
What John say in Heaven was the seven Spirits of God, not the seven candle sticks.

I believe that Jesus is talking to the Disciples. Yes they are Jews, but He is addressing them not as the unbelieving nation of Israel, but as born again believers. His Church if you please.

The Word says the 5 foolish virgins had no oil, it does not say they did not have enough.
The five foolish were not allowed in because they were lost.

ReallY?????In rev 1:1 we find that God is speaking to John through His angel. Then in rev 1:10, John tells us: "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

Then in rev 1:12-13, He was seeing Jesus standing in the midst of the Golden candelsticks (KJV) (lampstands-other versions),

At this point I ASK YOU; if you see this or your don't....You will probably say it is not taking place in heaven. Let's just say unless it is in the ground or on top of the ground it is then in heaven as all three are above us.


 

Bladerunner

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Sure....Just Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13....all state that AFTER the great tribulation of those days will the sun go dark, the moon will not give her light the stars shall fall from heaven and THEN AND ONLY THEN will the angels be sent to gather the ELECT from one end of the earth to the other and the uttermost parts of heaven.......pre-wrath that is...........

Mat, Mark and Luke only apply only to the Jewish but give us great insight.
 

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Again you are trying to make the Word say what it does not say.

Rev. 1:13 John was on the Isle of Patmos. He was not called up into Heaven until Rev. 4:1
He did see Jesus standing in the mist of the seven churches he was to send this letter to.
Jesus is standing in the mist of all true churches today.
What John say in Heaven was the seven Spirits of God, not the seven candle sticks.

I believe that Jesus is talking to the Disciples. Yes they are Jews, but He is addressing them not as the unbelieving nation of Israel, but as born again believers. His Church if you please.

The Word says the 5 foolish virgins had no oil, it does not say they did not have enough.
The five foolish were not allowed in because they were lost.
Does being a virgin in those days or that matter these days sound like they are lost! That is called morality ---one of God's virtues one of the Laws of the Moses. Yes, they believed...... Jesus is the one who told the story, why would you try to change it....If you are not watching for him to come (and the only way to watch for Him to Come is to Walk in His shoes, meaning you have repented your old ways, acknowledged your sins and ask for forgiveness of them, making Jesus your Lord and Savior from that day to forever.)

Read the Letter to Ephesis, where they went through the motions but had actually lost their first love.... Glorifying and praising GOD.


Then you will be left Behind or Worse.
 

Bladerunner

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AMEN....brought right through it ----->The word KEEP applied unto the faithful church at Philadelphia = protect or guard from loss or harm....NOT remove.....



I do believe the whole verse of Rev 3.10..."Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

The word Keep is as you have stated but you left off one important word...."From" which means (from the root word):A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative).

The following is how it is use in this verse. "out of, from, by, away from"

and finally the Greek word 'ek' : strongs 1537.."ἐκ ek, ek; a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):"

There is more but I refrain from wasting time.

Thus the verse in questions reads "I also will keep thee from (out of or away from) the hour of temptation.......for those that dwell upon the earth" Are we to be the earth-dwellers or are we the Body of Christ???????????? If we are kept kept away---pray tell us WHERE if not in heaven. (emphasis added)

Ok, other than heaven, where are we going to kept away from away from these temptations?????????in a bubble or somehing?????


While I am at it,,,,, There is or will be a new Gospel for the Kingdom. Paul tells us that we are condemned if we teach or believe a different Gospel. Well, if we are all part of the tribulations and the new Gospel, how many of us are not going to be condemned when we hear or maybe even begin to believe the other gospel.

After all the Tribulation is another dispensation and God according to Revelation is treating mankind and His people (Israel) different than He has for the last 2000 years????????????/




 

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Are you kidding? How did you come to this conclusion?

I would guess that you need to read: 1 Tim 2:15..."Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (Emphasis added)


Jesus' teaching to Mat, Mark and Luke and John were all under the Law of Moses. They were for the Jewish people...

Where have you been..... Listening to the Post tribs. I'd suppose.
 

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I do believe the whole verse of Rev 3.10..."Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

The word Keep is as you have stated but you left off one important word...."From" which means (from the root word):A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative).

The following is how it is use in this verse. "out of, from, by, away from"

and finally the Greek word 'ek' : strongs 1537.."ἐκ ek, ek; a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):"

There is more but I refrain from wasting time.

Thus the verse in questions reads "I also will keep thee from (out of or away from) the hour of temptation.......for those that dwell upon the earth" Are we to be the earth-dwellers or are we the Body of Christ???????????? If we are kept kept away---pray tell us WHERE if not in heaven. (emphasis added)

Ok, other than heaven, where are we going to kept away from away from these temptations?????????in a bubble or somehing?????


While I am at it,,,,, There is or will be a new Gospel for the Kingdom. Paul tells us that we are condemned if we teach or believe a different Gospel. Well, if we are all part of the tribulations and the new Gospel, how many of us are not going to be condemned when we hear or maybe even begin to believe the other gospel.

After all the Tribulation is another dispensation and God according to Revelation is treating mankind and His people (Israel) different than He has for the last 2000 years????????????/




Hey BladeRunner,

It would be honorable if they would listen when you give them scriptural proof regarding this issues. I have pointed out to Dcon the fact that he is focusing only on the word "Keep" but ignores the words that follow which describe how the Lord is going to keep believers from that hour of trial, which is the Greek word ek which means "out of" or "out from." But neither he nor others will listen to scriptural reasoning. It's like talking to a cinder block.. The scripture says "I will keep you "out of" the hour of trial" not through it or in the midst of it, but "out of" that time of wrath. But because their only concern is to protect what they believe, they are unreachable. It's like talking to a preterist.
 

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Paul says that Christ will bring with him those who fell asleep. He also said that the rapture would happen in a twinkling of an eye. Unless you believe in Soul Sleep the dead don't come out of the ground they come back with Christ and are given immortal bodies. As for experiencing the wrath of God. The Rapture happens shortly before the bowls are unleashed the mistake being made is to consider the whole tribulation period as being the actual wrath. Again Paul says that people will be saying ''peace and safety'' when the wrath descends on them. Jesus compared it to the days of Noah when everyone is going about their business as usual when the flood came. As Paul says they will not escape. This doesn't represent a quiet secret rapture. The whole purpose of the Pre Trib rapture position is to to bolster the dispensationalist view that God has a separate plan for Israel and the Church as opposed to people being saved through Christs sacrifice regardless as to whether they are Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female.
 

Ahwatukee

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As for experiencing the wrath of God. The Rapture happens shortly before the bowls are unleashed the mistake being made is to consider the whole tribulation period as being the actual wrath.
The gathering of the church cannot take place shortly before the bowls are unleased, because that would put the church through the seals and trumpets, which are also God's wrath.

The seals, trumpets and bowls make up the entire wrath of God. They're a set! The Lamb/Jesus is the One who is opening the seals, which lead into the trumpets, and are followed by the bowl judgments, with Jesus being the One responsible for the resulting fatalities.

Peace and safety is what happens leading up to the event of gathering of the church, and then the time of God's wrath will ensue.

It wouldn't make any sense for Jesus to tell believers to watch and be ready for his appearing, if believers go through the same time of wrath that the wicked do. Paul said, "when they say 'peace and safety then sudden destruction will come upon them and they shall not escape. But, you brothers are not in darkness that this day should take you by surprise." What would be the difference of we are left on the earth the same as unbelievers? The reference to "that day should not take you by surprise" is that if we are watching and ready for his appearing, then we will be gathered in the manner that Paul described prior to that time of sudden destruction, which is the period of God's wrath with said destruction taking place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.


The Lord made all believers a promise to go and prepare places for us in the Father's house, and that he would be returning to gather us and take us back to the Father's house. He is going to gather the church before His wrath begins, not after. For the wrath of God is going to be against the rejecting, the proud, the haughty, the sexually immoral, idolaters, liars, and anyone who is willfully living according to the sinful nature. Regarding this, those who have received Christ have been credited with His righteousness and have been reconciled to God. His wrath no longer rests upon the believer, because it rested on Christ. Those who believe that the church is going to go through God's wrath, are not truly believing that Christ experienced God's wrath on our behalf.

As I've said so many times before, it would be no blessed hope if the church was to remain on the earth during the time of God's wrath, nor would it be a blessed hope.

The whole purpose of the Pre Trib rapture position is to to bolster the dispensationalist view that God has a separate plan for Israel and the Church as opposed to people being saved through Christs sacrifice regardless as to whether they are Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female.

The whole purpose of the gathering of the church prior to God's wrath, is because it is a promise from the Lord and is written in His word.

Christ is not going to build his church and then send her through His wrath! Remember "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it"? Your view has Hades prevailing against the church. And if you think that God is going to protect the church in the midst of His plagues of wrath, you have not studied severity of seals, trumpets and bowls, which will affect every human being on the planet.
 
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