GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

except the inconvenient fact that Sabbath worship is not commanded in the N.T. for gentile believers. Acts 15 does not list Sabbath keeping in the instructions to gentiles. then in Acts 16 v.4, Paul and Timothy were said to be delivering the instructions to the gentile churches. these instructions did not include Sabbath.

so. by your definition, Paul and Timothy were spreading sin, since they were not telling gentiles to keep the Sabbath.

So in your view......

Jesus did not teach that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

Jesus in your view did not teach that God's Sabbath was made for man kind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

Jesus in your view, did not teach that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

Jesus in your view is not our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

It is hard to see when your eyes are closed.

In your view Jesus was lying when he said those that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom?

In your view Jesus was lying when he said not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? Now we havent even started on the Aposltes then again if you do not BELIEVE Jesus how will you BELIEVE his discples?

It seems you believe Jesus and the Apostles are all lying and the Bible is not true?

You teach others to brake God's Commandments this is something Jesus and the Apostles NEVER did.

Those who do such things do not enter into God's KINGDOM. This is sad for you my friend. Jesus is calling you my friend but you do not hear him. When your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow is the way? God's Sheep hear his Voice.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[gb9]

Simply amazing. So Sad for you my friend so sad so sad.

You deny God's Word and his power and close your eye to the Scriptures.

Well did Jesus and Paul quote Isaiah saying;

Go thou unto this people, and say, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall in no wise understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall in no wise perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest, haply they should perceive with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should turn again, And I should heal them.

You close your eyes to the Word of God so now your lamp has gone out. How will you find your way when the road is dark and narrow. So sad so sad.

yes, I guess I am sad. I have these strange beliefs that one should read the whole Bible, over and over, and except chronological order and context.

it is also sad for me that I 100% stand against plucking out verses and conjoining them and writing personal commentary.

what is really sad is you do what I just said, and then you attack me for pointing it out. you refuse to accept that John did not say Sabbath in his first letter, that he mirrored Jesus in saying " believe in me ", and " a new command I give you, love each other as I have loved you ". you reject these things because they do not hold up your idol.

 

[LoveGodForever]

yes, I guess I am sad. I have these strange beliefs that one should read the whole Bible, over and over, and except chronological order and context.

What is sad is that you think you do but do not. As the posts and scriptures that you ignore testify to.

 

[gb9]

So in your view......

Jesus did not teach that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

Jesus in your view did not teach that God's Sabbath was made for man kind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

Jesus in your view, did not teach that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

Jesus in your view is not our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

It is hard to see when your eyes are closed.

In your view Jesus was lying when he said those that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom?

In your view Jesus was lying when he said not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? Now we havent even started on the Aposltes then again if you do not BELIEVE Jesus how will you BELIEVE his discples?

It seems you believe Jesus and the Apostles are all lying and the Bible is not true?

You teach others to brake God's Commandments this is something Jesus and the Apostles NEVER did.

Those who do such things do not enter into God's KINGDOM. This is sad for you my friend. Jesus is calling you my friend but you do not hear him. When your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow is the way? God's Sheep hear his Voice.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

see, here we are. the same word games the media here in states plays everyday.

I am not saying what Acts 15 and then the first of 16 says. IT IS WHAT THE BOOK OF ACTS SAYS. so, I am not making it up, I am quoting Scripture, which you constantly accuse me and others of not knowing.

if you disagree with what Luke wrote, take it up with Him. he wrote this. not me. I just believe it.

 

[gb9]

What is sad is that you think you do but do not. As the posts and scriptures that you ignore testify to.

I do not ignore any Scripture. I just do not mix and match and make the Bible say what I want it to, as your cult does. I do not try to force meaning that is not there. as you do.

 

[LoveGodForever]

what is really sad is you do what I just said, and then you attack me for pointing it out. you refuse to accept that John did not say Sabbath in his first letter, that he mirrored Jesus in saying " believe in me ", and " a new command I give you, love each other as I have loved you ". you reject these things because they do not hold up your idol.

The CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 is SIN and those that are God's children do not practice SIN and those that are NOT God's Children practice SIN (CONTEXT IS SIN in 1 John 3:3-15)..


WHAT IS SIN??

POST # 4133 (You ignored and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


VERSE BY VERSE CONTEXT COMPARISON OF 1 JOHN 3

POST # 4137 (You ignored the CONTEXT comparison 1 John 3 and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).



WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE IN 1 JOHN 3:23 ?

POST # 4138 (Once again ignoring the scritpures showing that if you LOVE God you will be obedient to him linked)


Yep a lot of scripture showing your interpretation of one scripture in NOT in CONTEXT and a lot of scripture that you have to ignore to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word in order to follow your traditions.

Disagree? Please respond to the scriptures in the posts above that disagree with you? If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another..

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I am not saying what Acts 15 and then the first of 16 says. IT IS WHAT THE BOOK OF ACTS SAYS. so, I am not making it up, I am quoting Scripture, which you constantly accuse me and others of not knowing. if you disagree with what Luke wrote, take it up with Him. he wrote this. not me. I just believe it.

It is not Acts 15 or 16 that is the problem it is your interpretation of God's Word that is the problem my friend. It is time to leave Sunday school and worship God in Spirit and in truth. UNBELIEVERS will have no part in God's KINGDOM.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[Studyman]

So sweep their disobedience and the consequences of sin under the carpet.

People need to hear the full Gospel, or they won't realise their need for Christ. By the way, the Assemblies of God, do preach about those things you speak of. I used to take scripture exams in all those subjects as a child, in a very similar church to the AOG.

And yet, like the serpent did to Eve, the wicked Kings of Israel, and the Pharisees, the AOG church preach against obedience to the Holy one of Israel. In fact, the greatest purveyor of disobedience to God in the entire world are the hundreds of splintered factions which make up Mainstream Christianity. I grew up in the AOG church. Man's definition of Love does not "supersede divine scripture".

Why is the result of all their teaching also the result of the words of the serpent? Is it just coincidence that Jesus warned of this exact same thing.


Mat. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

What other group on the planet "comes in Christ's Name", preaches He is "truly the Christ" and preaches against obeying the instructions Jesus created for man, before coming to earth as a man?

I don't sweep their disobedience under the rug, just like I don't sweep disobedience of the Mainstream Church of Christ's time under the rug.

If the Israelites who God destroyed in the wilderness were destroyed for disobeying God, why do you give the Catholic church and all her daughters, AOG, Baptist, Protestant, and the rest a pass for doing the same thing?

 

[phil36]

Your post has indeed been adressed. You follow the teaching and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in place of God's 4th Commandment.

The question was why and on what athority is this done? That is the context the question is asked..

Where in all of God's Word does it say God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Read the question in light of the posts context. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

Hi Loveforgod,

We all understand what your opinion is regarding the Sabbath. However, that is different from your false assertion that we believe we are commanded to worship on Sunday.. What is being said is that for Christians there is no command for any particular day. I hope you actually and finally get this point!

We are not saying that we are not to keep one day a week Holy..this one day has been from the earliest christians Sunday.. but that is not a command.

Lets have a look again at what you keep saying about others:-

You are one mixed up puppy my friend. Where in all of God's Word does it say God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Oh and you ask about authority...The authority is only from Jesus... Not Moses. Jesus mediatorial role is greater than Moses.

Do you still remember that you were slave in Egypt on the Sabbath..you are commanded by the law to do so if you observe the OT Sabbath!

I don't, I remember that I was a slave to sin, a slave to the world and Jesus rescued me from it, this rescue was completed on the first day (a big hint there for you)! We find our rest in Christ (Already - not yet) and as we gather together each week as Christians we remember this work done in Christ - and the creation rest in our NEW CREATION in Christ (hint hint) - and look forward to that eternal rest fully! ... We don't remember when we where slaves in Egypt as an ethnic people as did the Hebrews (As commanded as part of the OT Sabbath).

P.s Please stop making the assertion that christians think we are commanded to worship on Sunday, this shows either dishonesty on your part or sheer ignorance as this has been brought to your attention before.

 

[PS]

And yet, like the serpent did to Eve, the wicked Kings of Israel, and the Pharisees, the AOG church preach against obedience to the Holy one of Israel. In fact, the greatest purveyor of disobedience to God in the entire world are the hundreds of splintered factions which make up Mainstream Christianity. I grew up in the AOG church. Man's definition of Love does not "supersede divine scripture".

Why is the result of all their teaching also the result of the words of the serpent? Is it just coincidence that Jesus warned of this exact same thing.


Mat. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

What other group on the planet "comes in Christ's Name", preaches He is "truly the Christ" and preaches against obeying the instructions Jesus created for man, before coming to earth as a man?

I don't sweep their disobedience under the rug, just like I don't sweep disobedience of the Mainstream Church of Christ's time under the rug.

If the Israelites who God destroyed in the wilderness were destroyed for disobeying God, why do you give the Catholic church and all her daughters, AOG, Baptist, Protestant, and the rest a pass for doing the same thing?

I have always found the AOG in the UK to be very Bible based. Why don't you google their statement of faith? The protestant churches you mention broke away from Catholicism. Neither do I think we can tar everyone with the same brush, God looks on the heart of the individual and there have been and always will be a hard core of true God fearing folk wherever we look. Neither do I think we should "throw stones" like the Pharisee did, my experience tells me, and I can see it on here, that the most vocal are usually in the greatest error. Jehovah Witness' would be one example with their door knocking.

Here is a AOG statement of faith https://www.aog.org.uk/about-us/what-we-believe

God bless.

 

[louis]

What exactly does it mean to keep the Sabbath day holy?
To me it means that I should solely concern myself with the Lord, and not concern myself with the other matters of the world that occupy my other six days of the week.

 

[gb9]

The CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 is SIN and those that are God's children do not practice SIN and those that are NOT God's Children practice SIN (CONTEXT IS SIN in 1 John 3:3-15)..


WHAT IS SIN??

POST # 4133 (You ignored and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


VERSE BY VERSE CONTEXT COMPARISON OF 1 JOHN 3

POST # 4137 (You ignored the CONTEXT comparison 1 John 3 and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).



WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE IN 1 JOHN 3:23 ?

POST # 4138 (Once again ignoring the scritpures showing that if you LOVE God you will be obedient to him linked)


Yep a lot of scripture showing your interpretation of one scripture in NOT in CONTEXT and a lot of scripture that you have to ignore to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word in order to follow your traditions.

Disagree? Please respond to the scriptures in the posts above that disagree with you? If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another..

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

I have addressed this many times , I think " context " for you is code for " Sabbath ". since John did not mention Sabbath in His first letter, you attempt to conjoin these other verses to attach Sabbath keeping , and force it into John's letter, which he, being a jewish man, knowing all about Sabbath, did not say it as a command.

so, John the beloved wrote a letter, to mostly gentiles is the prevailing thought as to who, and in this letter, he mentioned command keeping, and also strongly spoke against sin, and then said that the commands are to Believe in the name of the Son, and love one another. if you are doing these commands, then you are probably not sinning. no Sabbath mentioned.

so, reading a letter from start to finish is context. and John's letter mirrors His Gospel.

 

[Grandpa]

Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


Don't you know that looking to the 10 commandments to try and obey them in your carnal understanding and strength is not Christianity? Its the error of the wicked. Its disobedience.

Romans 10:3-4
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Matthew 11:28-29
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[/FONT]

 

[Roadkill]

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

17 And he said unto him,
Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

You are free to reject what Jesus created for you.

You take Matthew 17 out of context. He was speaking to a Jew who was still in the Age of the Mosaic Law because Jesus had not ascended yet the Age of Grace had not began as of when he spoke this.

Typical of a Legalist who twists the word to make his point.
You reject Grace and Embrace the Law and teach others to do the same Matthew 23:4

 

[3rdMesseger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw (A song beautiful song)

Genesis 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Here's a question, If The Ten Commandment's didn't exist before Sinai, then how did Joseph know Adultery was a sin against God? Or How did Cain know murder was sin, as LGF brought out, or how did any other the characters from the bible before Moses know what sin was, when Sin didn't exist, because if the law didn't exist, then Sin can't exist 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him

So if we go by your way, then God was unjust for killing Sodom and Garmorah and the Flood should have never happened, because he never gave them the law to know Sin was bad, God's not only a liar, because he didn't give the Sabbath to mankind as the verse you quoted states, but he killed innocent people and didn't even give them another option.
Mark 2 27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

GodBless, I hope we can grow from this, I'm tired of this endless debate, but I hope someone will be blessed from this.

 

[Grandpa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw (A song beautiful song)

Genesis 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Here's a question, If The Ten Commandment's didn't exist before Sinai, then how did Joseph know Adultery was a sin against God? Or How did Cain know murder was sin, as LGF brought out, or how did any other the characters from the bible before Moses know what sin was, when Sin didn't exist, because if the law didn't exist, then Sin can't exist 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him

So if we go by your way, then God was unjust for killing Sodom and Garmorah and the Flood should have never happened, because he never gave them the law to know Sin was bad, God's not only a liar, because he didn't give the Sabbath to mankind as the verse you quoted states, but he killed innocent people and didn't even give them another option.
Mark 2 27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

GodBless, I hope we can grow from this, I'm tired of this endless debate, but I hope someone will be blessed from this.

The Law doesn't need to exist in order for sin to exist.

Only God needs to exist in order for sin to exist.

Romans 14:23 [FONT=&quot]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

[/FONT]Not sure where you got the idea that if the law didn't exist then sin wouldn't either.

 

[Shamah]

The Law doesn't need to exist in order for sin to exist.

Only God needs to exist in order for sin to exist.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Not sure where you got the idea that if the law didn't exist then sin wouldn't either.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."[/FONT]

 

[Roadkill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw (A song beautiful song)

Genesis 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Here's a question, If The Ten Commandment's didn't exist before Sinai, then how did Joseph know Adultery was a sin against God? Or How did Cain know murder was sin, as LGF brought out, or how did any other the characters from the bible before Moses know what sin was, when Sin didn't exist, because if the law didn't exist, then Sin can't exist 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him

So if we go by your way, then God was unjust for killing Sodom and Garmorah and the Flood should have never happened, because he never gave them the law to know Sin was bad, God's not only a liar, because he didn't give the Sabbath to mankind as the verse you quoted states, but he killed innocent people and didn't even give them another option.
Mark 2 27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

GodBless, I hope we can grow from this, I'm tired of this endless debate, but I hope someone will be blessed from this.

Well written, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. So if he wanted to restrict us to Saturday he would have said so. The Spirit of the Law( Intent ) is more important than outward appearances. Man Should have A Sabbath once a week to Worship God. We celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday to Honor Jesus, not to Dishonor the Father. But the Spirit of the Law is for a Man to get one day of rest at least once a week and to Worship God at least one day a week. If Peter and Paul thought that Gentiles should worship on the Sabbath only they would have Clearly told them that when they were setting up the Rules for the Gentiles. The Sabbath was made for Man not Man for the Sabbath.

 

[Endoscopy]

The word 'day' yom in Hebrew means a period of time, either 24 hours, it can also mean an "age" or even "eternity." Strong's Hebrew: 3117. יוֹם (yom) -- day

The earth was not created in six 24 hour periods. That is the first Jewish error.

The current year in the Jewish calender is 5778. That is incorrect, cavemen were living long before that so making the Jewish calender null and void.

The commandment is to work six days, and to rest on the seventh which we need to keep Holy unto the Lord.

Remembering Christ's resurrection is not of the devil. Think about the implications of what you are saying. That is a disgusting accusation worthy only of the Pharisees.

I just watched a movie on Genesis and an expert on Biblical Hebrew throws away your version of the word yom (day). 24 hours foolish one. That is the definition of the word. Why do you think that God couldn't do creation in 6 days?? Why try to limit God? Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing?

 

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The Law doesn't need to exist in order for sin to exist.
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Only God needs to exist in order for sin to exist.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Not sure where you got the idea that if the law didn't exist then sin wouldn't either.

The definition of sin is transgression (breaking) the law. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and the prophets not break them. The law will last until heaven and earth pass away. We are all under the law but those who accept Christ have our sins imputed to Him and His rightness imputed to us. He paid the penalty for us. The only unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ!