Not By Works

eternally-gratefull · Feb 4, 2018

I am stating a fact, Eternal life can not be lost, or it is NOT eternal life

either your brother was saved, and he still is (he is a prodigal)

or he was never saved, and thats why he left. (As per John) ( A DOG returns to HIS VOMIT)

Works mean nothing, many people act like christians, doesnot make them one. I am sure th people who left the churhc in johns day appeared to have changed lives also.

dcontroversal · Feb 4, 2018

BillG said:

AMEN....that seed REMAINETH in man and it is the SPIRIT that has been born again from above, does not sin and is eternally sealed in Christ.........salvation is not losable.....it is eternally secure based upon the work, promises and power of Christ....

ElAmor · Feb 4, 2018

stonesoffire said:

Rewards are only for those who are saved and have run the race and didn't just say and claim the victory.

dcontroversal · Feb 4, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

AMEN.....and as children we are rewarded accordingly for faithful service and or lose reward for unfaithful service......

ElAmor · Feb 4, 2018

BillG said:

I'll get back to you when i get an honest reply from NNM.

NoNameMcgee · Feb 4, 2018

Chester said:

scripture makes it clear

there is a difference between knowing of God

and believing IN him....

if you are born again
you are a new creature

those who remain the old man were never made new
those who fall away were never truely made new

He who began a good work in you will perform it until the day of Christ

no scripture in context says anything different than this

NoNameMcgee · Feb 4, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

a saved believer cannot actually cease to believe

they are a new creature....

born again

those who believe of God and even for a time retain knowledge of Him
and then fall away

never believed IN Him

and He never placed the new heart and spirit in them
or they surely would have continued in faith

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Romans 1:28-29

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

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1 john

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

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Hebrews 6
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3 And this will we do, if God permit.

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there are those who hear the call

but are not chosen

they were not born again or they no doubt would have continued in faith

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proof of tasting the Holy spirit but not being born again BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ

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once you are born again
His incorruptible seed remains in you....

1 peter
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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1 peter

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

sorry for being a broken record....

really i am

but please read this if you have not yet chester

LightLoveHope · Feb 4, 2018

Chester said:

Some believers are very slow to catch on.
Loyalty, faithfulness, perseverance, truth, honesty, reality.

Who is your friend, who is your follower, who would die for you?

It is not about proof, but about that which passes the superficial selfish trade or benefit
and something of eternal significance.

I have found it instructive that those with a gentle heart often listen to Jesus, and know
His ways. The others listen to His words and get angry.

I never wanted to follow Christ, He called me, and showed me who I was and who He is.
I have met someone who accepted who Christ was but simply did not like the lifestyle.

Some truly hate God, others do not care, or just want to flow along.
I fall into the doubting Thomas category, but Jesus has just won my heart and soul.

A lot are walking in the dark, with a flash light of blaming others, yet their problem
still lies in the impure heart, and blinds them to what love is calling them to do.
Grace and peace to you brother, Amen

gb9 · Feb 4, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

same old rhetoric , telling us how pure and holy you are, and that we are blind and hard hearted , and we should be like you.

no one is " pure and sinless ", if you use the Biblical definition of sin, missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so. no one fits these criterias 24/ 7.

I am not defending sin, I am defending honesty and humility. two things you need large doses of.

LightLoveHope · Feb 4, 2018

Dear brothers and sisters,

There is a malevolent spirit here. Whatever is said, it tries to turn it into lying,
slander, evil, insult, a reason to get angry, to provoke, to needle, to want an argument.

What is the Holy Spirit? What are His ways? What is His motivation?

I have learnt you cannot resist the evil person, because what they want is an excuse
to hit harder, to punish and abuse more. There is no answer, because the problem for them
is within, and literally for us going to Christ is release.

Some see politics in showing love, because they do not know love, only weakness in the
face of the enemy, as they see them, because hatred has captured their soul. They are
fighting a war for this earth, their territory, their dadies hard worked heritage, while losing
their eternal place, because their faith is not the faith of Jesus but a cultural emblem.

And who does this? Societies finest, who risked their life to protect our freedoms, except
these freedoms have nothing to do with Christ and His gospel. Not surprisingly neither do
their tactics or the spirit that is driving them on.

At least it is obvious for those who desire grapes and figs, that is food for the soul,
and encouragement to spur us on to good works and rejoicing in Christ Jesus our Lord, Amen.

LightLoveHope · Feb 4, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

The language above is not language of faith, of the possibility of doubt, of making
mistakes, of perspective, of tradition and interpretation.

We have moved beyond faith into "fact".

Even Paul never claimed he had attained the crown, which should humble us all.
Because walking with Jesus one learns arriving does not exist, we are always humble
servants in the presence of our serving, humble, Lord.

Some how, God has saved who He has saved, and they cannot be shut out, yet the
evil "enemy" are to blame for stopping others finding the Lord, except that is impossible.

No matter how full of contradictions, anger, animosity it all becomes, they are right and
the rest are evil possessed liars, who are twisting scripture to say what it says. And why
scripture seems to agree with love and choice, is just the enemy knows scripture better
than believers. The idea they could be wrong, is so bad, putting them back into a living
hell, they would rather choose anything else.

I have met this kind of fanatic approach before, and it never ends well, because when the
frustration builds too high, people die. This should be enough to know how wrong they are
as the police lock them up and take them away, but even then, they know the facts showed
they did nothing wrong.

gb9 · Feb 4, 2018

so, anyone who disagrees with you is a evil possessed liar. man, the fruits of the Sprit are on display here. feelin the love right through the screen.

ElAmor · Feb 4, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

Dear brothers and sisters,

There is a malevolent spirit here. Whatever is said, it tries to turn it into lying,
slander, evil, insult, a reason to get angry, to provoke, to needle, to want an argument.

What is the Holy Spirit? What are His ways? What is His motivation?

I have learnt you cannot resist the evil person, because what they want is an excuse
to hit harder, to punish and abuse more. There is no answer, because the problem for them
is within, and literally for us going to Christ is release.

Some see politics in showing love, because they do not know love, only weakness in the
face of the enemy, as they see them, because hatred has captured their soul. They are
fighting a war for this earth, their territory, their dadies hard worked heritage, while losing
their eternal place, because their faith is not the faith of Jesus but a cultural emblem.

And who does this? Societies finest, who risked their life to protect our freedoms, except
these freedoms have nothing to do with Christ and His gospel. Not surprisingly neither do
their tactics or the spirit that is driving them on.

At least it is obvious for those who desire grapes and figs, that is food for the soul,
and encouragement to spur us on to good works and rejoicing in Christ Jesus our Lord, Amen.

I agree.

New International Version 1984 Titus 1:15-16 to the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 4, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

The language above is not language of faith, of the possibility of doubt, of making
mistakes, of perspective, of tradition and interpretation.

We have moved beyond faith into "fact".

Even Paul never claimed he had attained the crown, which should humble us all.
Because walking with Jesus one learns arriving does not exist, we are always humble
servants in the presence of our serving, humble, Lord.

Some how, God has saved who He has saved, and they cannot be shut out, yet the
evil "enemy" are to blame for stopping others finding the Lord, except that is impossible.

No matter how full of contradictions, anger, animosity it all becomes, they are right and
the rest are evil possessed liars, who are twisting scripture to say what it says. And why
scripture seems to agree with love and choice, is just the enemy knows scripture better
than believers. The idea they could be wrong, is so bad, putting them back into a living
hell, they would rather choose anything else.

I have met this kind of fanatic approach before, and it never ends well, because when the
frustration builds too high, people die. This should be enough to know how wrong they are
as the police lock them up and take them away, but even then, they know the facts showed
they did nothing wrong.

Same old person.

Prove me wrong, don;t give us what you think. You can not judge what another person says when all you are doing is giving us what you think.

We had this issue when you were here before. You would think you would learn.

dcontroversal · Feb 4, 2018

gb9 said:

I have not one time seen him deny that he is Peter.....and lest we forget...ole Petey pushed the same sinless, perfectionist, holier than thou Pharisee-ical stance.......anyway....back to the truth....

Faith alone is what saves a man.....faith alone is what justifies a man before God....anything beyond that is a by product of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ...

Paul was clear...Christ JESUS came into the world to save sinners of whom Paul was chief...He does not call the righteous who stand on the corner blaring loudly how righteous and pure they are, but rather the men who beat upon their chests seeking mercy because of being a sinner........

dcontroversal · Feb 4, 2018

ElAmor said:

I agree.

New International Version 1984 Titus 1:15-16 to the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

Of course you would.......

ElAmor · Feb 4, 2018

dcontroversal said:

what's it for me if i agree with false man-made doctrines instead?

New International Version 1984 Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

1 John 4:1 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

dcontroversal · Feb 4, 2018

ElAmor said:

All this proves is that you can cut and paste scripture.....now....if you properly apply it to yourself and your buddies.....then you will be correct....until then....just another working for sinless perfectionist pushing a dogma that the bible does not teach-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those that believe<----------------------------------He that believes on the son is NOT CONDEMNED-------->Therefore we conclude a man is justified by FAITH WITHOUT WORKS----------->Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us------------>He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.......NO WORKS NEEDED to GAIN or KEEP salvation....it is by FAITH.....................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shamah · Feb 4, 2018

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ElAmor · Feb 4, 2018

dcontroversal said:

All this proves is that you can cut and paste scripture.....now....if you properly apply it to yourself and your buddies.....then you will be correct....until then....just another working for sinless perfectionist pushing a dogma that the bible does not teach-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those that believe<----------------------------------He that believes on the son is NOT CONDEMNED-------->Therefore we conclude a man is justified by FAITH WITHOUT WORKS----------->Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us------------>He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.......NO WORKS NEEDED to GAIN or KEEP salvation....it is by FAITH.....................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you have a problem with the Word of God? Don't you know that Jesus is the Word of God? Reject His Word and you reject the Lord Jesus.

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