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Because the Holy Bible is in English, my native language.
Therefore, context determines the correct word to use in English.
Which is what I've been saying, that plural is incorrect, since contextually, the singular "heaven" was divided by waters and firmament to create the 3 heavens result;
Heaven where God's throne is,
the heaven where; the sun, moon and stars are,
and the heaven where birds fly.
do you imagine God didn't know what would happen, so though ignorant, being extraordinarily clever, He devised a way to find out?
or is it a proof?
a proof for whose benefit? what needed to be demonstrated, and to whom?
how many trees would be in the center of the garden if Satan had not fallen?
why was Adam created out of dust outside the garden and then placed into it? and then cast out again.
So are you saying that all the versions that use the singular "heaven" mean that God only created one (which one?) and not the other two? Who do these other versions say created the other two? Are you sure "heaven" can't be referring to all three?
The early church celebrated the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, without any connection to anything pagan.
The feast of Passover was what the Jews solemnly and with rituals, honored without any celebration of resurrection. It concerned the Exodus out Egypt.
What pagans did wasn't of import nor interest to either Jews nor Christians.
The pagans under the sway of Satan always tried to relate to God as if they knew or believed something of import, but the pagans never had any feast, rituals or whatnot that were of God.
The pagan nonsense is the kind of silly nonsense that modern phony bible scholarship produces. It is not found in the Holy Bible. The pagan scholars may wish it was butb its not.
I find it hard to believe people are so gullible.
As if the Jews, who believed on Jesus, celebrated passover like the unbelieving Jews did. The idea is silly.
The translators knew what was mean't whereas, the modern self appointed scholars wander about in unbelief reading and translating manuscripts no one read or wanted, back when Origen made them up.
As it happens hashmayem is plural and heavens is correct.
In2 Cor 12:2
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.KJV
Paul speaks of the third heaven; so the KJV is contradicting itself by your standard but not in fact.
Gen 2:1-4
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
KJV
Is the KJV fake too now?
Serious question. Did God provide an inspired translation for the Germans, French, and Spanish speakers?
Instead of making up ridiculous falsehoods, how about you deal in truth? The Holy Bible calls you to be truthful, not fabricate lies.
As it happens hashmayem is plural and heavens is correct.
In2 Cor 12:2
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
KJV
Paul speaks of the third heaven; so the KJV is contradicting itself by your standard but not in fact.
Gen 2:1-4
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
KJV
Is the KJV fake too now?
Hi MARC,
Well, the concern of Joseppi is in the beginning when God created the heaven and the earth. As I posted in number 1597, that even the NASB translators believed that the Hebrew rendered as in the KJV can be used as singular and plural so that in this case the context determines the true renderings of the text and the KJV is correct.. Genesis 2 accounts is said to be the finished creation after then God rested so that the Translators of the 1611 Holy Bible, the KJV is not ignoramus of using singular and plural Hebrew word.
Blessings,
Serious answer: no, not any more than He provides an "inspired" translation in English. The originals were "inspired" and the message they contain remains "inspired", but the exact words in the "destination" languages are not inspired in the same way. That is, God didn't come along and speak the precise words in each new language. Instead, He provided humans gifted with understanding multiple languages, locating and reading old manuscripts, patience and inclination to invest years of their lives to the difficult work of translating His word as well as humanly possible, under the guidance of His Holy Spirit.
He has, however, given us many reliable translations in English, as well as many in other languages. I don't know enough to recommend any non-English versions, but others here would.
ex.Lo, to Jehovah thy God [are] the heavens and the heavens of the heavens, the earth and all that [is] in it;
(Deuteronomy 10:14, YLT)
Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
(Deuteronomy 10:14 KJV)
Young's more often than the KJV gives a literal, word-for-word translation, eschewing variation in vocabulary and interpretive phrasing in translation for its sake. note how "heavens" is plural in each instance here in the YLT but KJV's decision was to vary the translation of the same word. ((thus citing Strong's instances of plural forms in the English for this word is meaningless & circular; Strong's specifically and singularly lists how words are used in KJV))
so anyway it looks to me like at least 4 heavens - because if there's 3, there's also heaven(s) of those heavens, and they belong to God.
also He doesn't fit in those heavens; He's bigger:
But, is it true? -- God dwelleth on the earth! lo, the heavens, and the heavens of the heavens do not contain Thee, how much less this house which I have builded!
(1 Kings 8:27 YLT)
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
(1 Kings 8:27 KJV)
well of course He doesn't
how can the One who created the heavens be constrained within them? neither is He constrained by time any more than space, but above all things
Hi Post,
Yep, my post on the link has provided a Strong’s meaning yet that was not my point. The link is supposedly the citation for the NASEC. Your mathematical solutions of 4 heavens in the Bible maybe true though the Genesis account and most of the New Testament writer wrote about 3 heavens. The fourth is yet in the future which is the promise of the New Jerusalem. Or if you want that maybe of 5 heavens which includes “fredoheaven”
Bottom line however, is that KJV is still correct in rendering the heaven in Genesis 1:1
While I am totally committed to the accuracy of the KJV, it has puzzled me as to why that was not rendered as "heavens" (plural) even though the Hebrew is clearly plural, and theologically it also makes perfect sense. The Septuagint also corresponds to the KJV. I don't believe we have seen a good explanation for this anomaly.
haš·šā·ma·yim
הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם
the heavens
Genesis 1: KJV
1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
This is correct.. At the time God created The Heaven ( not the heavens that being the universe stars and such) and the earth.. So all there was was Heaven and earth.. Later God created the ""heavens" meaning the sun and moon and stars... So the KJV is correct..
1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
This is correct.. At the time God created The Heaven ( not the heavens that being the universe stars and such) and the earth.. So all there was was Heaven and earth.. Later God created the ""heavens" meaning the sun and moon and stars... So the KJV is correct..
God created one heaven and one earth in the beginning.As it happens hashmayem is plural and heavens is correct.
In2 Cor 12:2
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
KJV
Paul speaks of the third heaven; so the KJV is contradicting itself by your standard but not in fact.
Gen 2:1-4
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
KJV
Is the KJV fake too now?
Later he created two additional heavens.
Now there are three.
The Holy Bible is the truth.
The ancient corrupt New Testament texts that were used to make a patchwork modern text that todays false bibles are translated from were found to be unused texts.
The were unused because the are obviously corrupt and no common man was stupid enough to want a copy.
The true text of the New Testament was copied in great numbers and that text appeared in Europe around the first millenium A.. D.
They appeared immediately after the surge in greek learning had arisen in the universities of Europe.
Once the common man received the Holy Bible the dark ages were indeed over and open warfare against the Holy Bible began.
God brought his Holy Bible to America in the care of the pilgrims and freedom in America was the result.
God has been preparing to evangelize the whole world by use of it since that time.
It can't be stopped because the Holy Ghost honors it and promotes its use.