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Ralph-

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preacher4truth said:
Utter nonsense. Scripture says nothing of the latter and you're adding to the word, which is no real surprise.

Living in any of the aforementioned sins shows the person doesn't possess eternal life. It shows they've never been converted.
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Now explain how never being born again, or losing it along the way changes the fact that if you meet Jesus in that condition you are not going to enter into the kingdom.


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Does this include persons who continually lie about others, what they believe, &c?
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If only you knew the grievous error you are making here, friend. If only you knew.

Please repent of this before your sin shows up in you as a cancer, or some other debilitating disease. I'm serious. "he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep."-1 Corinthians 11:29-30.

Let it go like you're supposed to do as a Christian, or be prepared to face the punishment God inflicts on his sons for being disobedient to not hold grudges. You are a son, right? Show me you are. Stop harassing me and let your grudge go, and live.
 
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p4t, don't stand in the pulpit today knowing that you're holding a grudge against me. Right or wrong (you are wrong, I assure you), you're not supposed to be holding unforgiveness against anyone. Let it go, and live.
 
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Ralph- said:
Now explain how never being born again, or losing it along the way changes the fact that if you meet Jesus in that condition you are not going to enter into the kingdom.
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No thanks. No person loses it along the way.

If only you knew the grievous error you are making here, friend. If only you knew.
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I'm making no error here, the fact is you live in and practice lying about others. The Scriptures you toss at others who do this, claiming them to be lost applies to you as well.

Please repent of this before your sin shows up in you as a cancer, or some other debilitating disease. I'm serious. "he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep."-1 Corinthians 11:29-30.

Let it go like you're supposed to do as a Christian, or be prepared to face the punishment God inflicts on his sons for being disobedient to not hold grudges. You are a son, right? Show me you are. Stop harassing me and let your grudge go, and live.
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So sad... You really need to listen to others who have asked you to put an and to your bearing false witness.
 
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Ralph- said:
If only you knew the grievous error you are making here, friend. If only you knew.

Please repent of this before your sin shows up in you as a cancer, or some other debilitating disease. I'm serious. "he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep."-1 Corinthians 11:29-30.
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Those verses do not pertain to condemnation of believers.

1 Corinthians 11:29 - For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

Paul knows that the judgment of God can take on the form of physical illness and even physical death. The word "sleep" when referring to death, refers to the physical death of believers, not spiritual death (John 11:11-12; Acts 7:60; 1 Corinthians 15:6,18,20,51; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-15; 2 Peter 3:4).
 
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p4t, don't stand in the pulpit today knowing that you're holding a grudge against me. Right or wrong (you are wrong, I assure you), you're not supposed to be holding unforgiveness against anyone. Let it go, and live.
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Calling on a person who perpetually lies to apologize and repent isn't grudge holding. You need to apologize and end it, this will be met with Christian forgiveness. Until this happens you will be held accountable for your practice.
 
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Please repent of this before your sin shows up in you as a cancer, or some other debilitating disease.
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Yes. Whatever you do, don't point out Ralph's bearing false witness and hypocrisy, or you could get cancer!

You take the cake, Ralph. You really do.

be prepared to face the punishment God inflicts on his sons
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God doesn't "punish" His sons, He corrects them. When God punishes, it is with wrath. There is no condemnation or wrath for His children. Jesus took all the punishment for us on the cross.

Discipline, Ralph - not punishment.
 
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My apologies to all on this thread for believing that engaging a sower of discord, a person who bears false witness would be productive. He's now gone too far, implying disease upon another who has told the truth.

Nothing to gain here in this type of engagement.
 
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My apologies to all on this thread for believing that engaging a sower of discord, a person who bears false witness would be productive. He's now gone too far, implying disease upon another who has told the truth.

Nothing to gain here in this type of engagement.
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I think I might see the bouncer coming, to show ralph kramdem the way out.
 
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As someone who has had cancer, and survived by the grace of God, I find that statement rather offensive.. People do NOT have diseases given to them just because they have sin in their lives. We get diseases because we live in an evil, fallen and polluted world. And IMO, your statement just polluted it some more. :/


Ralph- said:
Now explain how never being born again, or losing it along the way changes the fact that if you meet Jesus in that condition you are not going to enter into the kingdom.


If only you knew the grievous error you are making here, friend. If only you knew.

Please repent of this before your sin shows up in you as a cancer, or some other debilitating disease. I'm serious. "he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep."-1 Corinthians 11:29-30.

Let it go like you're supposed to do as a Christian, or be prepared to face the punishment God inflicts on his sons for being disobedient to not hold grudges. You are a son, right? Show me you are. Stop harassing me and let your grudge go, and live.
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You are invited to a wedding. You accept the invitation and you turn up. Halfway through the reception the best man and ushers come up to you and say that the Groom has changed his mind about your invite and you are to leave this minute because you havn't done enough to get ready. After recovering from the shock you wonder what exactly you should have done to meet the Grooms standards and why you were invited in the first place.

This appears to be how some see Gods attitude towards themselves. We can never be ready enough to meet Gods standards that why Christ met them for us. We are all invited to the wedding. All we need to prepare for is where we will be in the seating arrangements.
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Let us read the word of the Lord together...

"11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”"-Matthew 22:11-14

"the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” 8It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints."-Revelation 19:7-8

"they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."-Revelation 7:14


This shows that you have to have works when Jesus comes back or you show that you do not have eternal life in you and so you will not inherit the kingdom. That's not a works gospel.

Your 'clothing' shows whether or not you have washed in the blood of the Lamb. Many will be sent to the fiery place because they thought they were properly 'dressed' to enter into the wedding feast and that their works 'didn't matter'. But as the passage says, they will instead be cast out into eternal damnation.

They weren't as saved as they thought they were. They ignored the signs in their life that showed they really weren't ready. All thanks to a seducing spirit in the church that lied to them and said their works don't matter because once you are saved you are always saved.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
As someone who has had cancer, and survived by the grace of God, I find that statement rather offensive.. People do NOT have diseases given to them just because they have sin in their lives. We get diseases because we live in an evil, fallen and polluted world. And IMO, your statement just polluted it some more. :/
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And you have my most sincere apologies. I in no way want to suggest that all sickness is due to unrepentant sin. I should have clarified that. I apologize.

That being said, and I mean every word of it, it is still clear in scripture that we can purposely invite the horrors of cancer and other diseases by being unrepentant. Many have said in this thread that the Bible is clear that God will chastise his own. But again, I mean no insensitivity to those who have fallen to these horrible diseases. My mom died of cancer. And it was not pretty.
 
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"All sin is forgiven so we never repent"
" thats a works gospel"
" You are offended "
" You are a hypocrite "

"You are attacking"
"I never said that"
"He never said that"
"Why are you attacking him "

This thread is like a broken candy machine,where you walk up throw in a dollar and punch "12; hershey bar" , then "21 snickers" starts moving and there ya go.
There is your snickers bar.

You pick it up anyway,and are met by a crowd from cc.
"Why are you offended"
" that's what you punched in,i saw you"
" thats not a snickers bar"
" why are you attacking that candy bar"
" you're a hypocrite "
" ok,i can see you are mad"

This place has lost it's mind
 
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Ralph- said:
No, I'm of the opinion that anyone who makes grace out to be a license to live like Galatians 5:19-21 is probably NOT born again. That was the point. Born again people don't live in sin. They sin but they do not live in it. That's what your own once saved always saved doctrine teaches. The person who is not living the faith is not born again. But I get blasted and derided for saying what your own doctrine says.
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opinion...rightttt how many times have you insisted what you say is true yet now it's an "opinion" sounds like you are "wishy washy" you can't stand beside your own beliefs yet insist you know ours,so yeah that fits everything you say then by process of elimination must be "opinions" then so let us all know when you have "facts and scripture" and a "belief/doctrine" you actually stand beside then we might be able to discuss again.
 
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gb9 said:
I think I might see the bouncer coming, to show ralph kramdem the way out.
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Well, or course you do. You hate me. What else can be said? You think I'm judging you when it is the word of God that I share that judges BOTH of us. That's why we need to examine OURSELVES.
 
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Ralph...As I read your comment to p4t , I felt uneasy to what you said about the cancer remark , is that not like putting a curse on your brother , for by the grace of God He will turn that curse remark into a blessing for P4T...I think you overstepped the mark there , but that is just my opinion...xox...
 
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preacher4truth said:
My apologies to all on this thread for believing that engaging a sower of discord, a person who bears false witness would be productive. He's now gone too far, implying disease upon another who has told the truth.

Nothing to gain here in this type of engagement.
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It's not your accusations. You're entitled to your opinion. It's you harassing me that is wrong. Wake up, dude, stop holding a grudge. You are walking in unforgiveness.
 
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heartofdavid said:
"All sin is forgiven so we never repent"
" thats a works gospel"
" You are offended "
" You are a hypocrite "

"You are attacking"
"I never said that"
"He never said that"
"Why are you attacking him "

This thread is like a broken candy machine,where you walk up throw in a dollar and punch "12; hershey bar" , then "21 snickers" starts moving and there ya go.
There is your snickers bar.

You pick it up anyway,and are met by a crowd from cc.
"Why are you offended"
" that's what you punched in,i saw you"
" thats not a snickers bar"
" why are you attacking that candy bar"
" you're a hypocrite "
" ok,i can see you are mad"

This place has lost it's mind
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I don't like snickers bars.
I do like a Mars bar or a twix though.
 
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Ralph-

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Rosemaryx said:
Ralph...As I read your comment to p4t , I felt uneasy to what you said about the cancer remark , is that not like putting a curse on your brother , for by the grace of God He will turn that curse remark into a blessing for P4T...I think you overstepped the mark there , but that is just my opinion...xox...
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Come on! Why do people not believe the word of God?????

Tell me why you disagree with Paul.

I've been saying this over and over and over to myself. The church has departed from the word of God. It took me many years but I finally came to the sober realization that what the church believes and teaches is far different than what the Bible actually says. We just gloss over those parts that don't fit with what we've been taught. This is a perfect example.
 
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heartofdavid

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The spirit of esau is operating in here.
( hatred of your brother)

That is the root of the attacking.
Thats why they are right in the edge.
Claws are already out,and they can't hear what is being said.
 
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