GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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My gospel? I preach the same Gospel that the apostle Paul preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16) and not the perverted sabbath gospel of the SDA and Hebrews Roots cult that teach salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."
Yes, MANY will claim to know Jesus, but do not have an intimate relationship with Him. Instead of trusting in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation, these many people trust in their works for salvation (Matthew 7:22-23). John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
That does not describe me and such people are deceived and motivated by PRIDE, along with people who are seeking justification by the Law. Paul spelled out many times in Scripture that salvation is not by works of the law, but of course, nobody was seeking such a thing, right? Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is not faith in Christ. Your subtle mixture of law and grace is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Trusting in the Law for salvation is not trusting the great God and His Son for salvation. (Romans 3:22; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9).
Only based on your straw man arguments. Romans 1:16 and Galatians 1:11-12 are not falsehoods. Let me know when you are ready to repent and BELIEVE the Gospel.
Another straw man argument. In Ephesians 3:1-9, we read - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
So you are calling me and the apostle Paul a liar. Go figure. Longwinded nonsense full of false accusations, straw man arguments, psycho babble and rhetoric seems to be the norm for SDA's and those in the Hebrew Roots movement.
You seem to believe that you obey ALL of the Lord's instructions, yet the rest of us are teaching man made doctrines and are blatantly rejecting and preaching against His instructions. I hear this same argument from others who attend various false religions and cults. "Everyone else is deceived and ONLY they have the truth."
Turning keeping the sabbath into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant and teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is not following the Lord's instructions. As Paul instructed in Colossians 2, I will not allow you to judge me in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
I knew there was something fishy about that obscure translation of Hebrews 4:9 (obviously translated by someone with an agenda) that does not line up with multiple reputable translations. Thank you for the link to the article brother!
Hello MMD,
NO my friend you do not preach the same Gospel the Aposles preached. You indeed teach what the bible calls "a different Gospel". It is not the same as the one that Jesus and the Aposltes taught.
Jesus and the Apostles did not break God's Commandments and teach others to do so. Those who do such things are those we are warned about and who Jesus calls "least in God's Kingdom of Heaven" because they do not enter it.
You have time to REPENT and BELIEVE the Gospel (God's Word) as God is patient and longsuffering to those who are humble at heart and not willing that any should perish. This is your decision of course and is between you and God.
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Legalistic prescription? The Sabbath is part of the Decalogue, HIS Law, HIS Word, HIS Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law. That which is to be kept (guarded) in our hearts, and in our minds, and in our mouths through Christ's indwelling.
We are or are to be a New creature. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore receive with meekness the Engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the (engrafted) Word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the(engrafted) word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty (the Engrafted Word),and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Let's not blaspheme that worthy name by the which we are called? If we fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, we do well: But if we have respect to persons, we commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty (the Engrafted Word).
(Jas 1:21-27; 2:7-12)
You do know he is not the Author of the Peshitta right? He only produced a translation of the Aramaic Bible. Which is fairly accurate.
The oldest existing Peshitta dates to the the 5th century. And there is scholarly backing that dates it's origin to the 1st Century. However the Mainstream does not support this.
For your Information...I knew there was something fishy about that obscure translation of Hebrews 4:9 (obviously translated by someone with an agenda) that does not line up with multiple reputable translations. Thank you for the link to the article brother!
From Vines: <A-4,Noun,4520,sabbatismos>
"a Sabbath-keeping," is used in Heb 4:9, RV, "a sabbath rest," AV marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath"...
From Thayers unabridged: G4520
σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping Sabbath.
From Mounce: σαββατισμός sabbatismos 1x
properly. a keeping of a Sabbath;....
From G Abbott Smith: G4520
*† σαββατισμός, -οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exo_16:30, al.),
a keeping Sabbath...
Mounce brings it out the clearest for those of us who do not understand how these lexicons should be understood. That is why I highlighted it in bold. The proper understanding of the word in question is a "keeping of a Sabbath" not a Sabbath rest; but a keeping of a Sabbath.
The way that a word should be understood is generally put forth first. Then some lexicons share how the word in question is translated in various translations.
Since it is derived from the Hebrew, the Greek word for Sabbath, "sabbaton" should not be translated rest or Sabbath rest but a keeping of a Sabbath.
Let's take a look at context shall we.
10.For he that is entered into his rest [received the Gospel], he also hath ceased from his own works,
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Did you get that? Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His. "As is" is a direct comparison.
So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works?
The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews Verse 4:4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).
Did you get that? Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His. "As is" is a direct comparison.
So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works?
The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews Verse 4:4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).
God Is a Spiritual Being he is always in the state of Spiritual Rest. HE did not enter to the rest of the Gospel. HE is the rest of the Gospel for us through Christ Jesus.
On the Seventh Day Sabbath he ceased from the physical labor of creation. And this is recorded in Genesis 2.
Therefore they that have received the Gospel, cease from their own physical work as God did from His physical work on the 7th day Sabbath. And this is, was and will continue to be done on the Seventh day of the week.
If the Seventh Day Sabbath was done away with or was of no consequence then why mention it here in Hebrews and why would it be mentioned in the New Earth.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
(Isa 66:23 KJV)
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
So when you see "engraved word" and "perfectly law of liberty" you write a blank check and fill in the amount with the 10 commandments (with heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment?) The 10 commandments were a ministry of condemnation (because we have ALL broken the 10 commandments - 2 Corinthians 3:6-9). Man is saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9). Teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is not the fruit of being a New creature in Christ.
I don't blaspheme the name of the Lord. Let's not pervert the Gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the Gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is a "different" gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
I noticed James left out the Sabbath. References for 9 of the 10 commandments under the Old Covenant are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
Apart from faith and the blood of Christ we are ALL transgressors of the law (Romans 3:22-26; 6:23). Justification is not by the law, but by faith in Christ (Philippians 3:9).
Hi LB,
Absolutely! Well written. Seems like you have baffled MMD and he does not know how to respond now. This is sad indeed. as he has resorted back to ignoring the scriptures and the posts and is now changing the subject again in order to old cut and paste old posts that have already been answered, I do not know how many times already. Thanks for trying to help him though LB.
May God bless you as you continue in His Word.
The argument is that the Greek word "sabbatismos" means that there is Sabbath keeping that remains for the Christian. We can agree the Sabbath is the eternal rest of God. This is what the context clearly shows.
Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:
A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.
A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.
B2. KATAPAUO (2664), akin to A, No. 2, used transitively, signifies to cause to cease, restrain, Acts 14:18; to cause to rest, Heb. 4:8; intransitively, to rest, Heb. 4:4, 10. See Cease, A, No. 6, Restrain.
Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:
A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.
A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.
B2. KATAPAUO (2664), akin to A, No. 2, used transitively, signifies to cause to cease, restrain, Acts 14:18; to cause to rest, Heb. 4:8; intransitively, to rest, Heb. 4:4, 10. See Cease, A, No. 6, Restrain.
If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the ten commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath?
Sabbatarians say Isaiah 66:23 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath now, and in the new heaven. Does Isaiah 66:23 teach that Christians should observe the Sabbath? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven! "And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” Isaiah 66:23. Let's be consistent.
Sabbatarians have the Jewish new moon festival observances in heaven based on the above text! If you insist on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, they also need to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. hmm.. That’s inconsistent! Are New moons and Sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? NO.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Will there be Levital Priests in the new heaven? If Isa 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in heaven, because it is also mentioned. Sabbatarians have Levitical priests in heaven Isaiah 66:21? What happened to the Levitical Priesthood under the New Covenant terms? It was abolished. Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. The Old and New Covenants do not mix. Sadly, it's obvious that you are unable to see anything beyond your SDA church indoctrination.
Hello MMD,
Your post above has been answered with scripture multiple times already. You ignore all the scriptures and posts sent to you and do not reply to any of the posts and scriptures sent to help you that show your interpretation of God's Word is building on sifting sand.
I am worried about you my friend and ask that you at least consider the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with your interpertation of God's Word.
Do you disagree? Please adress the posts and the scriptures that disagree with your presentation of God's Word linked for your convenience adressing your post above and well pretty much everything else you have posted....
Post # 3423; Post # 3424; Post # 3425; Post # 3426 and Post # 3427
Yep this is the scripture that the OP is adressing. Did you want to address the OP and the scriptures in it that disagree with your interpretation of these scriptures? Simply stating the scriptures that the OP is discussing does not address the OP and the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of them.
This is the difference between us. You believe GRACE is a liscence to SIN. We believe it is the POWER of God unto salvation FROM SIN for those who have FAITH that works by LOVE. Indeed we are SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of God lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8)
However if your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDEINCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18; 20; 26) If your tree has no FRUIT it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matthew 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27) because it is written that GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH...
Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name:
So not my friend we are not SAVED in SIN we are have a Saviour that can SAVE us FROM SIN (Romans 3:31; Matthew 8:30-36)
NO my friend you do not preach the same Gospel as Jesus and the Aposles preached. You indeed teach what the bible calls "a different Gospel"
Jesus and the Apostles did not break God's Commandments and teach others to do so.
Those who do such things are those we are warned about and who Jesus calls "least in God's Kingdom of Heaven" because they do not enter it.
How can you BELIEVE the Gospel when you do not KNOW what the Gospel is?
The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)
Mark 1:1
The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD'S WORD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS
Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.
John 17
17, Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH.
Psalms 119
11, YOUR WORD have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
2 Peter 1
4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
John 8
31,Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man:
how say you, Ye shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the Son abides ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, AND THE WORD BECOME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.
John 14
6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Matthew 1
21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
John 3
16, For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER
BELIEVES on HIM SHOULD HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE
Let's put it all together...........
We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD (Matthew 4:4); IF we CONTINUE IN HIS WORD THEN ARE WE HIS DISCIPLES and we shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set us FREE from SIN (John 8:31-32; 34;36). We are made HOLY BY THE WORD and ONLY God's Word is TRUTH (Psalms 119:172); We are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in the WORD
What is all this leading to, can you guess...............................
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD the power of creation (John 1:1-14; Genesis chapters 1-2).
EVERLASTING LIFE IS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. THE NAME of JESUS means SAVIOR (Matthew 1:21). We are BORN AGAIN as we BELIEVE GOD"S WORD. JESUS meaning Saviour means that THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD ARE ONE AND THE WORD IF GOD IS OUR SAVIOR AS WE BELIEVE IT! FAITH IS THE VICTORY! THIS IS THE GOSPEL. THE GOSPEL and GOOD NEWS IS JESUS and we are to LIVE BY EVERY WORD OF GOD!
To BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS MEANS TO LIVE BY FAITH IN EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD! IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS because HE IS THE WORD OF GOD! JESUS IS THE WORD AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Continuing..........
John 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son <the WORD>, that
whosoever believes in him <the WORD> should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him <the WORD> might be saved.
18, He that believes on him <the WORD> is not condemned: but he that believe not <the WORD> is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name <the WORD IS SAVIOR> of the only begotten Son of God.
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20, For every one that does evil hate the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21, But he that doe truth < the WORD> cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)
Seems like you have only just conveniently left out the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of God's Word.
SIN will KEEP all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.
Those that knowingly practice SIN have NOT seen him or know him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-8; Hebrews 10:26-27)
Here are the scriptures you left out of your post above..........
God's Law (10 commandments) repeated in the New Testament
1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)
5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)
There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten. Seems God's Word disagrees with you my friend. Maybe you can go home and pray about it. Tomorrow may be too late.
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
all this deconstructing and reconstructing of God' s Word is sad to see. I guess those of us who read whole Bible all the way through over and over are doomed. we do not toss out context and chronological order, and just pluck out verses and write our own commentary. according to some, that is how it should be done.
Thats not Gods Law. Thats mens commandments.
The commandments are commanding people to work at and keep GODs Law. But Gods Law is spiritual and men don't understand it.
Men only understand the carnal commandment that they can work at.
You base your whole philosophy on error.
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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[FONT="]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
There is only one solution for your grave error and it appears you are nowhere near understanding it.
Matthew 11:28-29
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[FONT="]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
If Christ in us is actually the 10 commandments, as you would suggest, Then there is no such thing as not being under law. There is no such thing as being under grace and not law. We would always be subject to the 10 commandments because it is what is inside us now, according to you.
That's basic error that Paul AND Peter warn us about and the Lord Jesus Christ gives us rest from.[/FONT]
I never said any different.
How does that conflict with what I said in regards to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 1:16? First to the Jew then to the Gentile.
You keep making this strange comment about a long haired men's hair shampoo model and I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you have been watching too much TBN.
Turning keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant and perverting the Gospel by teaching that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works" are not works worthy of repentance. You are completely mixed up.
It's not about creating a whole doctrine of death bed conversion. The thief on the cross was a unique situation, but nonetheless, it was a death bed conversion in his case.
I find it astounding that you cannot simply grasp the fact that in Matthew 27:39-44, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests scribes and elders blasphemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and EVEN THE ROBBERS WHO WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM REVILED HIM WITH THE SAME THING and that being crucified as a thief, blasheming, mocking and shaking your head at Jesus is not the fruit of repentance/faith. You shall know them by their fruits, right? Yet, moments later, we see that the thief had a "change of mind" (repentance) placed his faith in Christ for salvation and was saved (Luke 23:40-43). Simple!
Matthew never acknowledged the repentant criminal. Luke did. Luke never said the repentant criminal reviled Jesus then changed his mind and converted as you preach. To create your death bed conversion doctrine you must use an "s" at the end of one word spoken by Matthew, who didn't even acknowledge the repentant thief, then go to Luke who never said the repentant thief reviled Jesus and attribute this one "S" to him. Why would you even want to do this is one thing, and why you would want to build a doctrine around it is another.
If you want to act as if you don't understand my question regarding the way you came to your conclusion, that's fine. But my questions regarding your preaching and how you came to your conclusion are relevant. For you to preach that the lesson we are to take away from this story is "death bed conversion" is wrong in my opinion. But it's your religion, you are free to preach what you want.
The Serpent also used some of God's Words to trick Eve into disobeying God and following it's "LAW" "You shall surely not die". I don't think you can make void all the prophesies about the Pharisees, all that Jesus said about them, All that Paul said about them in Romans 1 just because they followed a couple of God's Laws.
Again, you take one or two verses that you can twist to support your man made religious doctrine, in this case; "the Pharisees were following the letter of the law", and you reject all the other scriptures which expose the Biblical fact that the Pharisees had created their own Law.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I could fill a whole page with the scriptures you must reject to further your doctrine regarding the Pharisees. Why would you even want to trick people in this way?
And as far as your preaching regarding "work" on the Sabbath. There are things Jesus allowed when He created His Sabbath for man. Breathing can be called work by your kind of Pharisee thinking. Walking might be considered work, speaking might be considered work, eating, looking. there are a lot of actions that require some effort that Jesus didn't consider work when He created His Salvation plan. If you are so void of any understanding of the God in the Bible that you don't know walking and eating a strawberry on the Sabbath Jesus created for man is not considered "work" than I don't know what to say. The Pharisees thought like you do and were rejected. They didn't follow HIS Sabbath, they, like you, had created their own.
They didn't just add to His Law, they created their own version of God's Law. And I would say it was a big deal because by THEIR LAW "many" true believers were murdered, and thousands were led astray. Zechariahs "endured" but he was one of few.
This is what I mean, it wasn't against the "law of the Sabbath" to take a fellowship walk with your Brothers and eat an ear of corn. Not ever. The fact that you preach it was is the whole point of my arguing with you in the first place. It was against the "LAW" that the Pharisees created to serve the image of God they created. But it was never against God's Laws. It doesn't matter that you and the Pharisees preach that it was? It is a lie from the father of lies no matter who is preaching it.
Who is suppressing the truth here MMD? You preach the Pharisees were "following the Letter" of the Law, but Paul says they "suppressed the truth"
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Jesus said:
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Zechariahs knew God and knew of Jesus. Why? Because he created his own Sabbaths, his own High Days and images of God like you and the Catholic's and the Pharisees did?
No Dan. Zechariahs sought God with all his heart and soul. He followed God's Instructions and did not set about to create his own. Just like Abraham and EVERY RIGHTEOUS EXAMPLE of FAITH in the Bible. And Just like Jesus said as God of the Old Testament, and as my Savior in the New, if a person strives with all his heart to "Know God", to turn to Him and "Keep His Sayings" Jesus will make Himself known to them. This is a perfect example of the difference between the Pharisees and Zechariahs.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
You refuse to accept this difference because of religious doctrines that you follow, not because the Bible doesn't clearly define the difference.
You are, once again, doing what the Pharisees did. Isn't "mercy, judgment and Faith" the weightier matters of the Law Jesus said to "KEEP", "and not to leave the others undone". Why do you mock Him? Doesn't the Jesus you all created know we are humans? That we learn from chastisement and from mistakes we suffer? Are we not tested and learn when we fall?
This is exactly what I see as having escaped the influence of Mainstream Christianity. You have created your own religions, 100's of them, each with their own slightly different doctrines with only one universal preaching in common. You all teach against striving to "Keep His Sayings".
As a result the largest group of people on the planet that preach against the Laws of God, is Mainstream Christianity. And before them it was the Pharisees, and before them it was the Children of Israel minus Caleb and Joshua, and before that it was Ham, and before that it was Cain, and before that it was the serpent. This is why Jesus said in John 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
You want to continue to preach that the Pharisees were trying to obey their creator, and didn't create their own Laws, I can't stop you, but God knows I have tried.
Go go ahead and post the scripture whereby any apostles commanded the Church to keep the Sabbath in a certain way.
Not one single scripture in the New Testament about how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant, yet you claim people will be rejected from God’s kingdom for not keeping the Sabbath the way you do.
Unless you post a scripture from the New Testament that instructs the Church to observe the Sabbath in a specific way, you are the one teaching a man made Gospel, whereby we are justified by keeping the Sabbath.
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The Pharisees had a zeal for God just like the Catholic's do. But instead of submitting themselves to God's Righteousness, they have created your own righteousness which didn't include much of God's Instructions. Just like the Catholic doctrine. This righteousness includes their own version of God's Sabbaths, their own High Days, their own festivals, their own version of holy and unholy and on and on. The "humble man" didn't do this because He looked into the perfect Law of Liberty and saw who he really was.
Just because I believe in the Word of God over ancient religious traditions doesn't mean I believe I can forgive my own sins as you imply. Only Christ can do that and I have never said any different. But what good is it for Jesus to wipe my slate clean if I'm just going to continue to reject His Instructions which killed me in the first place?
Trusting in God's Instructions over the ancient traditions of the modern mainstream Church is not relying on "MY" Righteousness, it's submitting to God's. I am not ashamed of Him or His Righteous Instructions, even if you are.
Well it's a start, at least you admit the Pharisees "created their own righteousness". Didn't the Catholic's do the same, neither "submitting themselves unto the Righteousness of God?
So tell me MMD, Do you preach that Jesus submitted Himself to the Righteousness of God? So Jesus became the perfect example of a human in God's Eyes, YES. He is the intent of the Law for righteousness for anyone who believes. Why would I look any further than Jesus? Why would I create my own Laws and doctrines and high days, and Sabbaths. Why not just Trust Jesus and His "Sayings". Why not just "Walk even as He Walked". Why not just do what He says?
Sorry MMD, I'm not ashamed of Jesus or His instructions. Any of them. If I am condemned by you for these things I am comforted, you guys are not condemning me, but the Word's that I strive to follow.
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I don't believe your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to obey God's Laws to get to heaven. Jesus and Paul said they had created their own Laws, their own righteousness and history proves this accurate as the Talmud clearly shows. Had the Pharisees humbled themselves to God and His Instructions (Righteousness), instead of creating their own, they would have been like Zechariahs and would have know God and His Son. and Jesus and His Father would have made their abode with them and made themselves manifest to them as it is written all over the Bible from the beginning to the end. But you preach just the opposite. My "Main Point" is to show the false teaching.
Nice duck on Col 2. This chapter really exposes mainstream preaching and church tradition. No wonder you don't want to discuss it.
Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
This is the new covenant. No mention of different instructions, only how God's Instructions are administered and how sins are forgiven. The "letter" says we are "dead in our sins". But In Jesus we can be Spiritually "made alive".
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
So yes, you preach this is impossible just like the Children of Israel told Caleb. And there is no "IF" regarding salvation in your ancient religious traditions. The "main point" of my post's is to further the warning of Jesus specifically about religious traditions vs. God's Instructions.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not the "letter of His Law" as you preach)
This is the "Main Point"!
The Pharisees had a zeal for God just like the Catholic's do. But instead of submitting themselves to God's Righteousness, they have created your own righteousness which didn't include much of God's Instructions. Just like the Catholic doctrine. This righteousness includes their own version of God's Sabbaths, their own High Days, their own festivals, their own version of holy and unholy and on and on. The "humble man" didn't do this because He looked into the perfect Law of Liberty and saw who he really was.
Just because I believe in the Word of God over ancient religious traditions doesn't mean I believe I can forgive my own sins as you imply. Only Christ can do that and I have never said any different. But what good is it for Jesus to wipe my slate clean if I'm just going to continue to reject His Instructions which killed me in the first place?
Trusting in God's Instructions over the ancient traditions of the modern mainstream Church is not relying on "MY" Righteousness, it's submitting to God's. I am not ashamed of Him or His Righteous Instructions, even if you are.
Well it's a start, at least you admit the Pharisees "created their own righteousness". Didn't the Catholic's do the same, neither "submitting themselves unto the Righteousness of God?
So tell me MMD, Do you preach that Jesus submitted Himself to the Righteousness of God? So Jesus became the perfect example of a human in God's Eyes, YES. He is the intent of the Law for righteousness for anyone who believes. Why would I look any further than Jesus? Why would I create my own Laws and doctrines and high days, and Sabbaths. Why not just Trust Jesus and His "Sayings". Why not just "Walk even as He Walked". Why not just do what He says?
Sorry MMD, I'm not ashamed of Jesus or His instructions. Any of them. If I am condemned by you for these things I am comforted, you guys are not condemning me, but the Word's that I strive to follow.
Setting out to obey the letter of the Law with pride does not mean the Pharisees were actually obeying God's instructions and the Law actually condemns us because we have ALL broken the Law (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Your false accusation leads to another. Your main argument seems to be that the Pharisees created their own religion entirely build on man made tradition and will be condemned based on that (they also never set out to obey any of God's instructions found in the Law), but people like you perfectly obey God's instructions found in the Law and will be saved based on that.
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I don't believe your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to obey God's Laws to get to heaven. Jesus and Paul said they had created their own Laws, their own righteousness and history proves this accurate as the Talmud clearly shows. Had the Pharisees humbled themselves to God and His Instructions (Righteousness), instead of creating their own, they would have been like Zechariahs and would have know God and His Son. and Jesus and His Father would have made their abode with them and made themselves manifest to them as it is written all over the Bible from the beginning to the end. But you preach just the opposite. My "Main Point" is to show the false teaching.
Nice duck on Col 2. This chapter really exposes mainstream preaching and church tradition. No wonder you don't want to discuss it.
Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
This is the new covenant. No mention of different instructions, only how God's Instructions are administered and how sins are forgiven. The "letter" says we are "dead in our sins". But In Jesus we can be Spiritually "made alive".
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
So yes, you preach this is impossible just like the Children of Israel told Caleb. And there is no "IF" regarding salvation in your ancient religious traditions. The "main point" of my post's is to further the warning of Jesus specifically about religious traditions vs. God's Instructions.
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not the "letter of His Law" as you preach)
This is the "Main Point"!
I see no reference to the Sabbath in the epistles. The only reference to the sabbath is were it says 'judge no man about -- new moons and Sabbaths'.
As usual you can't see the wood for the trees.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]
That is the whole torah, not just one or two parts of it. But it HAS been fulfilled in Christ,
Sooo?
Soooo?
It is your ancient religious tradition to reject God's Sabbaths. This traditions came from the mother of your church, the Catholics. Neither Jesus nor any of His People in the Old or New Testament followed this religious tradition. These are simply facts. Your gospel includes this and "many" other man made doctrines and traditions that cause a man to transgress the Commandments of God. I don't believe in this gospel you preach, I believe in the Gospel the Bible preaches.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
It is true that Paul was fighting against a religion that believed the Levitical Sacrificial "Law of Works" justified sin and not the blood of Jesus. Jesus said they rejected the weightier matters off the law like "Mercy and Faith". The Law says to Love God. Your preaching that this is the Law Paul is referring to is not true. Loving God is a "Law of Faith" not a "Law of Works."
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by(the Law of faith) faith without the deeds (Works)of the law.
You do not understand this truth. This isn't my fault.
I trust in Jesus and His Father for Salvation which He promises to the following.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Habakkuk wrote this in the Gospel of Christ. You reject the Old Testament Paul is calling the Gospel of Christ knowing full well it was the only scriptures Paul had.
So you are calling me and the apostle Paul a liar. Go figure. Longwinded nonsense full of false accusations, straw man arguments, psycho babble and rhetoric seems to be the norm for SDA's and those in the Hebrew Roots movement.
I know you have deemed Paul your God, and that you preach your version of his word destroys all other scriptures in the Bible. The Catholics must do the same thing. But you still can't find one example where God, in the Gospel of Christ that Paul taught from, said the gentiles couldn't come to Him. You can't find it because it wasn't God's Laws, rather, the Law the Pharisees created. You keep posting one scripture and you claim you can use it to destroy any of God's Words that expose your ancient religious traditions. I don't think the Jesus of the Bible gave you that kind of power. So I'll stick to what the Bible actually says, not what the Catholics preach it says.
You seem to believe that you obey ALL of the Lord's instructions, yet the rest of us are teaching man made doctrines and are blatantly rejecting and preaching against His instructions. I hear this same argument from others who attend various false religions and cults. "Everyone else is deceived and ONLY they have the truth."
Yet you are the one who follows man made High Days, your own version of His Sabbaths, your own Holy and unholy. I have never said I'm perfect, but am I not to strive for this perfection? And isn't Jesus the perfect example of this perfection? Am I not, even in your Bible, to walk even as He walked? Yet, if Jesus were to come to earth as a carpenter and come on this forum and say only those things He said in the Scriptures, you and EG and Decon would have Him labeled as a cult and a legalist. You don't hate me, you hate God/Jesus instructions. Just like the Pharisees. That is the "main point" you should consider.
Yes, they are truly from God and a shadow of His Salvation plan. what is Christmas a shadow of and where does this come? Who created the image you all call Jesus? Who commanded to eat fish on Friday. Where is the command to change God's Laws and Sabbaths? Where does it say the New Covenant replace God's Instructions with your church traditions?
We are fighting about Ancient church traditions vs. God's/Jesus' instructions. an age old battle that first started with the serpent and Eve. The intention is to turn people away from obeying God's instructions into obey the serpents. You have already been deceived into believing and preaching that the Pharisees, who Jesus said were satan's children, were trying to earn Salvation by following the Letter of God's Instructions. You know deep down this not only isn't true, but can't be true. The question you should be asking yourself is why do you preach something that is so blatantly false, even after all the evidence God has given you to the contrary.