word of faith movement

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm not aware of a "movement"

I am aware of the Hebrew roots of our faith.

google it

it is a movement and creeping around

 

[know1]

That is really messed up theology. WOF teachings tear Jesus down and elevate the WOF follower.

You WOF people always deny what you believe when you are confronted with it. Like here, you deny treating God like a dog who obeys your commands but then you say God does what you instruct Him to do.

I say that only because, according to Him, what His word/seed/offspring does, He does.
There obviously is some connection, even as there is some kind of connection with our spirit that is in Christ in heavenly places, far above principalities and powers.
How are we in heavenly places when we are here?
The same thing with Jesus being in us, when He is seated at the right hand of the Father.
The point is, I have control over the words I speak, and if I direct my words toward a thing, in faith or believing that what I say shall come to pass, as it is written, then I have in a sense sent God to do that thing, even though it was His word that went and did the work. Because it is the word itself that we send that does the work. The spoken word of faith is the power of God, and if we do the same in faith, then we have sent the same power of God.
Again, I know I'm not God, but I still seek God for many things, as well as to be led through the day.
But unlike you, I DON'T accept any sickness or disease, when I have the symptoms. I fight the good fight of faith.
And unlike you, I don't see those things as a blessing of God, or that He's trying to teach me something, or that it might not be His will for me to be healed, or any other man made garbage you people come up with.
Again, that is sooooo stamping on the blood of Jesus and His work for us on the cross.
God told us to resist the devil, NOT agree with the thing.

 

[7777pinacled]

Oh, Yeah? Then why aren't you going into every hospital you can, and "by the fruit your lips" commanding everyone to be healed? Why aren't you raising the dead by the "fruit of your lips"?

Why can't you command everyone who comes against you to be mute by the "fruit of your lips"?

Are you a millionaire? Why not? Cannot you command wealth by the "fruit of your lips"?

By every word written or spoken comes from the heart.

And yours is in danger.

 

[know1]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3)

You are discredited.....again.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I say again, what the word of God does, God says He does, even though it is the word of God that does the work, like the soldiers that do the actual fighting, when the generals take the credit for winning the battle or war.
I figured since you neglected to keep in your post what I wrote, I would copy and paste, plus a few enhancements, since you missed it the first time.
It is the word of God, that is the power of God, that is the actual worker, or the one doing the work it was sent to do. Even as it is written, "He SENT his word, and [the word He sent] healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

 

[know1]

See how he denies commanding God like a dog but then says God does whatever he instructs and sends Him to do.

Yes, I do see, but not with your simple understanding.
Would you like me to show you this concept in the bible?

 

[plainguy]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3)

You are discredited.....again.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I say again, what the word of God does, God says He does, even though it is the word of God that does the work, like the soldiers that do the actual fighting, when the generals take the credit for winning the battle or war.
I figured since you neglected to keep in your post what I wrote, I would copy and paste, plus a few enhancements, since you missed it the first time.
It is the word of God, that is the power of God, that is the actual worker, or the one doing the work it was sent to do. Even as it is written, "He SENT his word, and [the word He sent] healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

John 1:14

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[know1]

this is what deception looks like

makes no sense and is not biblical

an awful lot of words tho

now some will say I am missing the Holy Spirit when I say that, but actually, it is because I am LED by the Holy Spirit that I say this

When my children were without understanding or even a concept of how it is done, asked my wife and I how babies are made, and so we told them so they wouldn't seek it from someone else.
Do you know what they told me?
Basically, what you did.
They said "You're not doing it right, daddy".
You tell me it's not biblical without any knowledge or understanding of where I got it from.
Wouldn't it be wiser to ask first BEFORE condemning?

 

[know1]

Where have I heard something like that before?

Oh, yeah: "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

You would do well to remember this:

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)

That was before God indwelt us and we had knowledge of His word.
If you know what He said, you know His thoughts and ways for many things.
That is, if you believe what is written you will know.

 

[stonesoffire]

I'm not aware of a "movement"

I am aware of the Hebrew roots of our faith.

Ask shamah. Or Hiz as we know him. He is the only Hebrew roots I am aware of.

miss seven would like to,paint me with that brush because I search out to know what the Jews meant concerning their own scriptures.

Being that our culture is western, and Jesus and His ancestry is eastern, I believe it wise.

And these truths explain what we can't understand unless we do this.

Jesus prayed that His body on earth would be one with Him, as He is with Father.

The difference between what Jesus spoke of being one, and His body being one, is this. He is saying of Himself, "I exist, equality with Father. His body us, is minus the "I exist". We are to live, move, and have our very being in Him. That would be having equality with Him as members of Himself. Empowered is another word.

I believe authority is given. Jesus Himself, did not move outside of union with Father. So I go back to the Word I used before. Unction. Not sure if I wrote that here in this thread.

Know1 is correct in the definition of the word as sperma. Again, creative power. The Word within will birth us into Sonship, and will give seed to the hearers of the words spoken in the Spirit. Sowing seed is for us to do too.

Its what ministers do every Sunday morning.

Some take Word too far. Eliminates the Spiritual. Others takes the spiritual too far, and eliminates the Word. Balance is speaking the Word in truth with signs of miracles etc. following that's goal is to confirm what was preached. Also the approval of God is on the speaker and shown. Authority.

This is what all men of God, who consider themselves believers should be going for. At least consider and seek to know your position in His body. For this though, you must have His power, and that is Holy Spirit. Power isn't a bad word. It isn't fanatical. It is God Himself.

He told the church in the beginning to wait for it. Many disobey.

 

[LightLoveHope]

to balance it out, here is a pretty short clip on what Jesus was really saying regarding 'gods'

[video=youtube;sUH_E3KD52A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUH_E3KD52A[/video]

Amen. I have never heard this explanation before and it fits so well. Thankyou

 

[7seasrekeyed]

By every word written or spoken comes from the heart.

And yours is in danger.

oh baloney

surely you are aware of what God says about an undeserved curse?

or how about giving an account for every word?

even if you consider someone your enemy you are still to bless and not curse

are you actually so full of religious spirits that you consider yourself able to send someone to hell?

you are a pompous bag of wind

since last night you have been intimating at being the hand of judgement against other people here

false and that crow might just come home to roost

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Amen. I have never heard this explanation before and it fits so well. Thankyou

I agree

and thank you for watching and saying something about it~

 

[7seasrekeyed]

miss seven would like to,paint me with that brush because I search out to know what the Jews meant concerning their own scriptures.

it was not me who mentioned Hebrew Roots

I believe it may have been devotion who did so

perhaps try another vision? this one is wrong

 

[7seasrekeyed]

here...proof I was not the one who mentioned Hebrew Roots

let it go stones...it's not befitting for you to continue to try to disparage me

I have not addressed you until now but I will not be making a habit of it

Originally Posted by DevotiontoBible

Yes, the Hebrew Roots movement is dangerous to a Christian.



I'm not aware of a "movement"

I am aware of the Hebrew roots of our faith.​

 

[7seasrekeyed]

When my children were without understanding or even a concept of how it is done, asked my wife and I how babies are made, and so we told them so they wouldn't seek it from someone else.
Do you know what they told me?
Basically, what you did.
They said "You're not doing it right, daddy".
You tell me it's not biblical without any knowledge or understanding of where I got it from.
Wouldn't it be wiser to ask first BEFORE condemning?

out of the mouths of babes

maybe you should listen?

 

[know1]

This is new. You appear to be saying you are a god, able to command things.
If you truly believe this, is the whole of creation at your command and how have you shown
that is is true.

Peter, a mere apostle of Jesus, said this to the beggar at the temple gate called Beautiful

"In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk." Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man's feet and ankles became strong.
Acts 3:6-7

If Peter only healed through Jesus, how have you got a greater authority than him?

I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.
Matthew 18:18-19

It sounds like you are outside the spiritual authority of Jesus.
Are you a follower of Jesus's eternal words? Or is there an exception clause?

And of what value is this command authority? Is it like marvel comics, to get you out
of trouble and squash the enemy? Ever read Peter

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."
When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.
1 Peter 2:21-24

How would the people of God walk this road if they had command authority?
Not likely. The anger of many would just take them over.

I have less authority than Peter did, for he was an apostle, and I am a nobody.
Perhaps I'm taking what I see in scripture to the extreme, but it is because of how I see it and what I was shown, not by any man or teacher or church, but by the voice I hear from within.
But to sum up what I say, I would have you look at Hebrews.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

Unlike God, many things we say in faith, does not happen immediately. This is were we have to fight the good fight of faith, and HOLD FAST to our profession/confession of faith.

Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Here again we have God telling us not to cast away our confidence in Him, but to be patient, until the will of God is accomplished. Which is to say, until you passed the testing of the devil, that you might receive the promise you've been standing on.
Another very important thing to note here is that if you cannot believe for the thing you are speaking, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
I'm not at the level Peter was at so the things my family and I have receive are on a smaller level for the most part.
My wife has more faith than I do though.
She has done some pretty amazing things.
As I stated many times in the past, she drove a car twice without any gas in the tank. Once for two and one half hours and the other time for two hours. This was God providing my wife her every need according to His riches in glory BY Christ Jesus.
But most just pass that off as a lie, and are unable to believe it actually happened. But it did.
There are many things that have happened to us over the years as a direct result of our prayers and words of faith, but even though I have told them to others, few believe because they have it in their heart that God doesn't do those things anymore.
But I don't believe because of the testimonies we have over the years. It is because we first saw it in scripture, and applied it to our lives, that the word was confirmed.
And like everyone, we are still learning. There are many things I don't know but that is no reason to stay silent. We speak what we know until we know more or better, and we do that which we have learned. This is being a doer of the word.
I don't say things just because I want to believe something to be a certain way. I say what I do because I have scripture as my foundation. I take what is written, as it is written, and go as I am led.
I have already done a study on following Jesus, and I this is what I have found, rather, what I was led to find.
I do not believe it was the devil that led me because of what is written.

Ask, and It Will Be Given
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

God will not give me something evil when I ask Him to show me the truth in His word.

 

[stonesoffire]

it was not me who mentioned Hebrew Roots

I believe it may have been devotion who did so

perhaps try another vision? this one is wrong

I remember what you said as Lauren seven. And perhaps your vision is out of focus. I didn't make any personal comments.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Stones, Lauren and I were friends on here. 7seas is NOT Lauren.. Not sure who she is, but I do know she isn't Lauren.

I remember what you said as Lauren seven. And perhaps your vision is out of focus. I didn't make any personal comments.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Stones, Lauren and I were friends on here. 7seas is NOT Lauren.. Not sure who she is, but I do know she isn't Lauren.

you know a mod cleared that up some time back when someone else thought I was a banned person returning

but you know, stones has those voices telling her otherwise so she must be right

thanks for trying to clear it up blue.

I'll still be friends if you like tho?

 

[know1]

Ask shamah. Or Hiz as we know him. He is the only Hebrew roots I am aware of.

miss seven would like to,paint me with that brush because I search out to know what the Jews meant concerning their own scriptures.

Being that our culture is western, and Jesus and His ancestry is eastern, I believe it wise.

And these truths explain what we can't understand unless we do this.

Jesus prayed that His body on earth would be one with Him, as He is with Father.

The difference between what Jesus spoke of being one, and His body being one, is this. He is saying of Himself, "I exist, equality with Father. His body us, is minus the "I exist". We are to live, move, and have our very being in Him. That would be having equality with Him as members of Himself. Empowered is another word.

I believe authority is given. Jesus Himself, did not move outside of union with Father. So I go back to the Word I used before. Unction. Not sure if I wrote that here in this thread.

Know1 is correct in the definition of the word as sperma. Again, creative power. The Word within will birth us into Sonship, and will give seed to the hearers of the words spoken in the Spirit. Sowing seed is for us to do too.

Its what ministers do every Sunday morning.

Some take Word too far. Eliminates the Spiritual. Others takes the spiritual too far, and eliminates the Word. Balance is speaking the Word in truth with signs of miracles etc. following that's goal is to confirm what was preached. Also the approval of God is on the speaker and shown. Authority.

This is what all men of God, who consider themselves believers should be going for. At least consider and seek to know your position in His body. For this though, you must have His power, and that is Holy Spirit. Power isn't a bad word. It isn't fanatical. It is God Himself.

He told the church in the beginning to wait for it. Many disobey.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengthens, enables, and empowers me.

strengthen
G1743
ἐνδυναμόω
endunamoō
en-doo-nam-o'-o
From G1722 and G1412; to empower: - enable, (increase in) strength (-en), be (make) strong.

LXX related word(s)
H3847 lavash
H5810 azaz