Not By Works

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posthuman

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Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will Himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.
To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.

(1 Peter 5:8-11)

thus saith the LORD,
If you return, then will I bring you again, that you may stand before me;
and if you take forth the precious from the vile, you shall be as my mouth

(Jeremiah 15:19)

  • step 1:
    • be alert


  • step 2:
    • resist him
 
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heartofdavid

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13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.



the enemies that are His footstool

are the adversaries who are devoured


we are they who are sanctified by HIS offering


no more sacrifice remains for any sin

willing

or not
Ultra broadbrush.

You leave out any possibility of the carnal christians in our churches.
Are you aware of the fact that there are carnal,worldy believers and their problem being SIN?
Sin is in the church,and you guys are teaching on how God winks at it
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Ultra broadbrush.

You leave out any possibility of the carnal christians in our churches.
Are you aware of the fact that there are carnal,worldy believers and their problem being SIN?
Sin is in the church,and you guys are teaching on how God winks at it
broad brush for what?
you took 1 part of conversation about a verse ...
i dont know who you mean by "you guys"

but i never said God winks at sin
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i share the true gospel

all ive seen you do is wag your little finger around and try to prop yourself up
 
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heartofdavid

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and we know what happens to those He never knew....


some people seem to be delusional and think they dont need the imputed righteousness of Jesus - never born again


others know what our Lord and Savior did on the cross and submit to His righteousness and are - born again


i think these people still pointing at sin and being carnal may still have assurance issues and not yet seen the transformation

or have had too much exposure to "prosperity" types who think saying the sinners prayer is enough.... (your work in itself)

its crazy how you can agree with the bible and say "not by works" and give glory to Jesus


then people come in adding to and taking from what it means to be saved waving their fingers around at imaginary straw men


He saves His children
plain and simple
Circular osas doctrine.

Some believer departs and is shipwrecked " well that ole boy was never saved"
 
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heartofdavid

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broad brush for what?
you took 1 part of conversation about a verse ...
i dont know who you mean by "you guys"

but i never said God winks at sin
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i share the true gospel

all ive seen you do is wag your little finger around and try to prop yourself up
No,you know what i am saying, i am not in your loop. I am taking the debate out of the broad brush. That is why you guys are attacking each other.
 

BillG

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Feb 15, 2017
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Ultra broadbrush.

You leave out any possibility of the carnal christians in our churches.
Are you aware of the fact that there are carnal,worldy believers and their problem being SIN?
Sin is in the church,and you guys are teaching on how God winks at it
I can't see NNM saying God winks at sin.
In fact he has gone from thinking to believe we should be sinless to the opposite. He acknowledges that we will sin and the grace of God covers it, but it's not an excuse to sin.

NNM correct me if I'm wrong.

Now I'm interested in your quote "You leave out any possibility of the carnal Christians in our churches"
 
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NoNameMcgee

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No,you know what i am saying, i am not in your loop. I am taking the debate out of the broad brush. That is why you guys are attacking each other.
whos attacking who now?

im not attacking anyone....
im calling it as i see it
 
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heartofdavid

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It should break your heart if you sin.

How in the world do you treat such a thing so non chelant?
No repentance??
No sorrow?

The appalling thing is God,s favor departs and you apparently can't tell
 
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NoNameMcgee

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It should break your heart if you sin.

How in the world do you treat such a thing so non chelant?
No repentance??
No sorrow?

The appalling thing is God,s favor departs and you apparently can't tell
it should
and will if you are born again and His child (which never changes once it happens)

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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how does who treat it like that?

are you accusing someone specific?
 
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heartofdavid

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Note what that word does "sin"

They get all personal
 
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heartofdavid

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it should
and will if you are born again and His child (which never changes once it happens)

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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how does who treat it like that?

are you accusing someone specific?
You are telling me you never sin right?

Since your verse says if you do you were not part of the body
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Shipwrecked means those that once knew the Lord and departed.
Its a NT term


ohhhh youre claiming someone who is born again can lose salvation


thats not true

but if youre talking about someone who retains God in their knowledge falling away

ya that happens

a few pages ago this was proven (with scripture)

not conflated opinions;)
 

BillG

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It should break your heart if you sin.

How in the world do you treat such a thing so non chelant?
No repentance??
No sorrow?

The appalling thing is God,s favor departs and you apparently can't tell
Why do you accuse him of this? Why do you accuse him of being nonchalant of sin, with no repentance or sorrow
 
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heartofdavid

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broad brush for what?
you took 1 part of conversation about a verse ...
i dont know who you mean by "you guys"

but i never said God winks at sin
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i share the true gospel

all ive seen you do is wag your little finger around and try to prop yourself up
If repentance is off the table there are 2 choices.

Either God winks at it

Or you never were saved
 
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joefizz

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...Well then.

W E L L T H E N . . .

Time to reach 100,000 posts, and possibly 200,000! I believe in you all!
Yes we might make it the first permanent thread ever,everyone keep tuning in to find out!
 
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heartofdavid

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Why do you accuse him of this? Why do you accuse him of being nonchalant of sin, with no repentance or sorrow
Not saying what you are accusing me of.
I am going concept vs concept.
You guys are diverting and trying to go personal.
I don't see it that way.
It is strictly concept for concept.
Maybe you guys are paranoid or something