The Rapture

[heartofdavid]

I dont believe the Pope and the RCC are Babylon and the Beast and anyone who does is being deceived. The same goes for those who are convinced its Islam the USA or whatever the latest popular target might be.

So,who is he?

The bible says most anyone with wisdom knows.
Then goes on to say exactly who he is.

Why would there be any question to a no brainer?

 

[heartofdavid]

Does smoking that stuff do that for you????????WOW????????????/

You got some anti christ spirit or something.

Why the pharisee hate for the body of Christ??

Worship and devition bad.

That is satan talking big time.
I will pray for your deliverance.
Help him Jesus

 

[heartofdavid]

Your responses just show your lack of understanding of Scripture. There were trumpets to gather the people of Israel, trumpets for them to move out, when to stop and make camp, when to break camp, to gather Israel's armies and then there is the feast of trumpets, etc.

The type of trumpet regarding the "last trumpet" of 1 Cor.15:52 is not specified. Yet you and others assume that the 7th trumpet of the trumpets is that last trumpet, while at the same time ignoring the fact that the "last trumpet" is a blessing to the church and the 7th trumpet is a plague of wrath. In addition you ignore the fact that there is absolutely nothing in the context in or around the 7th trumpet describing the gathering of the church. And in addition to that, you ignore the fact by having the church gathered at the 7th trumpet, you have them going through the majority of God's wrath, which believers are not appointed to suffer. To get around this, you reinterpret, relocate and pacify God's wrath.

When all is said and done, the only reason that you others have for interpreting the 7th trumpet as being the "last trumpet" is because both scriptures use the word trumpet, and that's it.

Furthermore, you reference to "Bad fruit" is misplaced, because the "bad fruit" in the verse that you are borrowing this from, is referring to those producing fruit of the sinful nature, sexual immorality, slander, idolatry, lying, murder, etc., etc. So you're misapplying the meaning.

The "last trumpet" which signals the gathering of the church, has nothing to do with the 7th trumpet of the trumpet of God's wrath.

Not only that,but Jesus himself has a trumpeting voice,and John heard it on patmos

 

[heartofdavid]

You don't read your Bible much do you?????If you did you would know that the thought of a Rapture in the future goes all the way back to those Baby Christian Churches before the turn of the 1st century.

Then just remove 1Thes 4 and mat 25 from your bible.
Oh,and rev 14.

But do show us with out those verses how they arrive in heaven and how the declarations at the last supper are phoney.

Either explain or get out the scissors

 

[heartofdavid]

The Trumps sound in order, and we are given details so there is no guess work as to what happens during..
The Trump sounds the action, which is written. Its not open for interpretation.

People have a bad habit of adding their two cents to scriptures .. We see people do this with the verse in Titus that has the phrase " Blessed Hope " and try to redefine the meaning despite what the passage says plainly .

Blessed hope means faith in Christ. that we have forgiveness of our sins and eternal life . Its also about the New heaven and New earth wherein righteousness dwells aka the final world age. The present age will pass when Christ returns on The Lords Day when Christ dispels lies of Satan and Christ rules all with a rod of iron on earth.. No rapture in Titus 2:13 ..

Like wise with the Trumps in Revelation people dont listen.


1 Corinthians 15:52 is specified as the LAST . Saying its not identified shows you have a real problem on your hands.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The Last is Revelation 11:15 when The Kingdom of God, is on earth, for the Lords Day. Flesh and blood being sin, it must be changed for that time to what Paul taught in the previous verses . Its as simple as following what you read Not trying to fall back on commentary of men .


The Trumpet is the only thing in total order in revelation, No one gets to get that wrong .
The seals and vials, are not in total order, but align with the Last woe Trumps.
The Wrath is poured out on the whore and that system of Antichrist. the two beasts ...

If you are not a Satan worshiper, A real Christian as nothing to be concerned about during the Tribulation. For all will go through it .

The church is a body of believers, and Not all believers are going to make it during the trib, because they will be a whore by the end of it . Consider reading the message to the churches in Revelation.
But the end of it you are either on Gods side,or Satans, and it wont matter what you call it, call yourself a christian, or church, if one has worshiped the Dragon, and apostatizes, Christ wont accept them at His true coming . Most of the Worlds Christians will be deceived according to Revelation Consider Reading 2 Thessalonians 2 without commentary.

Christ returns at the Last, that is the Constant repeated message in the Bible. There is No room for interpreting that, its already a given. Revelation 11:15.

There is not gathering before the Tribulation. It happens After This is repeated After in Matthew 24. Luke 21, and Mark 13.

No,read it again.
There are no verses showing any gathering after the trb.
Jesus even showed us with noah and lot.

You have no verses.

 

[heartofdavid]

I see the repent option, but as the Word also states, that they chose not to repent, the option then will be rejected. And Gods Word cannot be wrong.

If you are having a great time (as in the days of Noah, or as in the days of Lot in Sodom), partying it up under the beasts reign, are you going to willingly repent from continuing in the flesh orgy?
You may say to yourself, tommorrow I'll repent; but tommorrow will keep being put off as long as the party continues.

When the Jews see Jesus on white horses,they repent. They reject him up. To that point.
In like manner,who is to say part of the gentiles don't do the same?

Not that it is some doctrinal game changer.

 

[heartofdavid]

There are Only Seven ( 7 ) Trumps given in Revelation .

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

What happens in The Last ?

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



So when Paul mentions the LAST, or Trump in regards to Christs' return , its documented :Last Means Seventh.
The Return of Christ .

After The Tribulation . 5th and 6th come before 7th. What is happening in the 6th ? Tribulation . The deception........

Trump,trumpets,7 th trump,etc,are not doctrinal pivot points.
They are,and always will be cherry picked postrib rapture talking points.
Nobody with an open mind is going to set aside all the pretrib verses in favor of something that shaky

 

[heartofdavid]

The beast rules the known world of Israel, not all the gentile nations.

Rev 19, is the prophecy of the fall of the Roman Empire in 476 ad. The sea/earth beast.

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V 21, Says that there is a remnant. That would be the earth beast (religious Rome). Religious Rome makes the image of the first beast (sea beast of the unbelieving gentile nations), by having Caesar worship.

The RCC is the image of the Roman Empire. It is Caesar and Caesar worship (man/creation is god).

They are both fought with the gospel sword.

Rome claims to be the only true church/kingdom/Israel.

The Bishop of Rome (BoR), claims to the title of holy father, forgiver of sin, and having more authority than the scriptures.

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In Rev 20, the first resur. is exactly what it says, the resur. of Jesus. The 2nd will come before the fire from heaven.

The dragon Rome, cannot destroy Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. (The chain)

Once they are restored, then the Roman iron dragon deceives the nations into surrounding Jerusalem to kill Israel.

Uh,no.....and no.

There is no resurrection in rev 20 at that time frame. It is referring to the first resurrection or main resurrection

And the AC is world ruler. Show us where he is only local please

 

[louis]

When the Jews see Jesus on white horses,they repent. They reject him up. To that point.
In like manner,who is to say part of the gentiles don't do the same?

Not that it is some doctrinal game changer.

Among the Jews who survive the abomination of desolations destruction of Israel, will be a remnant who will then acknowledge the Lord Jesus.

It is in the middle of the week in the covenant with many (Daniel 9:26-27), where the little horn (aka the beast mouth, aka the antichrist), calls off the daily sacrifice of aerial sorties that will daily be taking the lives of many who currently live in Israel (Isaiah 28:18-19).
The bed shorter than a man can stretch himself on it, and the covering narrower than he can cover himself with are Israels North to South borders to short to stretch out over away from the daily sacrifice of Israli lives; and the Eastern to Western border to narrow to find cover away from the same (Isaiah 28:20).

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

 

[Roadkill]

Have to comment on this. The Rapture is not absent from revelation. One verse just popped into my head and i am sure there are others.

The Rapture is about the dead rising and the living rising too, correct?

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

So at the Rapture when a dead body rises it must be judged worthy in order for it to be chosen to rise. Not All dead people will rise, only those who are judged SAVED will rise. So even though Rev 11:18 does not say Rapture, it is referring to the Rapture event.

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DiscipleDave

The Bible says that those who are in the First Resurrection are blessed. From this we can conclude there are more events than one concerning the Resurrection. There is also the Resurrection of the Great White Throne of Judgement. What people don't realize is that the Bible does not say that these are the ONLY Two Resurrections.......

 

[heartofdavid]

In the end times and we are in them, the Restraining Hand of the Holy Ghost will be removed. This is starting to occur. The absence of God is when violence and evil will increase.

Among the Jews who survive the abomination of desolations destruction of Israel, will be a remnant who will then acknowledge the Lord Jesus.

It is in the middle of the week in the covenant with many (Daniel 9:26-27), where the little horn (aka the beast mouth, aka the antichrist), calls off the daily sacrifice of aerial sorties that will daily be taking the lives of many who currently live in Israel (Isaiah 28:18-19).
The bed shorter than a man can stretch himself on it, and the covering narrower than he can cover himself with are Israels North to South borders to short to stretch out over away from the daily sacrifice of Israli lives; and the Eastern to Western border to narrow to find cover away from the same (Isaiah 28:20).

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

I believe so, yes

 

[abcdef]

The Bible says that those who are in the First Resurrection are blessed. From this we can conclude there are more events than one concerning the Resurrection. There is also the Resurrection of the Great White Throne of Judgement. What people don't realize is that the Bible does not say that these are the ONLY Two Resurrections.......

Hi Roadkill,

1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, Shows only 2 resurrections.

1. Jesus, the 1st resur.

2. Those at His coming, the 2nd resur.

3. The end, Death is destroyed

4. Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father

5. Father is All in All

The different passages in Rev. are showing either the 1st or the 2nd resur.

 

[abcdef]

Uh,no.....and no.

There is no resurrection in rev 20 at that time frame. It is referring to the first resurrection or main resurrection

Brother heart d,

I can't understand what you are saying when you don't explain it.

There are 2 resurrections shown in Rev 20. What is the "main" one that you are talking about?


You have 7 resurrections in your time line, yes? Or how many resurrections do you count?

And the AC is world ruler. Show us where he is only local please

This is a great question, thanks,

The local only viewpoint is proven by the statue of the nations/kingdoms in Daniel 2.

The statue shows that the nations govern/rule Israel and not the planet.

The head of gold, etc., only ruled the western civilizations and not the planet.

Babylon did not rule the planet, they ruled the people of Israel. The same can be said for the silver and brass.

Then the iron, The Roman Empire. Did the Roman Empire rule the planet? No.

In reality, the statue shows power over Israel growing less and less as the time line moves into the toes/clay era.

The toes grow smaller and come to an end.

Once it reaches the end of the toes, Israel is restored to Jerusalem. (1967)

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The idea that the iron gets bigger and becomes united again is not shown in the statue. Just the opposite is shown.

And there is no indication of the iron changing from a rule over Israel, to a rule over the planet of the gentile nations.

The iron is solid, Rome.

Who was the iron 500 years ago? Who is the iron today?

The AntiChrist has been here all this time. Pretrib and preterism, both hide him.

Who was the iron 1500 years ago?

Who was the iron 500 years ago?

Answer if you can!

 

[Deade]

Hi Roadkill,

1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, Shows only 2 resurrections.

1. Jesus, the 1st resur.

2. Those at His coming, the 2nd resur.

3. The end, Death is destroyed

4. Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father

5. Father is All in All

The different passages in Rev. are showing either the 1st or the 2nd resur.

Hi abcdef,

I agree with 2 resurrections, but your inference is off. Jesus' resurrection is not listed in Rev. 20. This is the saints being raised when He comes back. The first resurrection is not the main one, the second is the main resurrection.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Only a small percentage of God's children will be harvested at Christ's coming. Many claimed believers will be in the 2nd resurrection. This is how they will act:

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

But they will have their first chance to serve after the second resurrection: See: White Throne Judgement

Yours,

Deade

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Just because you say it a thousand times does not make it True. As i have said many times as well, can you show Scriptures that prove the "Last Trump" is NOT referring to the last trumpet sounding in Revelation?

Therefore it is merely YOUR opinion that the verse which says "Last Trump" is NOT referring to the Last Trumpet in Revelation.

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You do error in this assumption. And even Scriptures proves you are in error. You say the 7th Trumpet is a part of God's wrath. Which i 100% agree that it is most certainly a part of God's wrath to be left behind. But that the 7th Trumpet is NOT a part of God's wrath to those who are chosen to be Raptured up with Jesus.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Tell me, does that sound like the wrath of God? Does it not sound like at the 7th trumpet sounding that Heaven is rejoicing. Read it again:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So then according to this verse. at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet the kingdoms of the world have become the Kingdoms of Jesus Christ, Do you agree with this verse or disagree with this verse?

When the verse states that Jesus becomes the King of all the Kingdoms of the Earth, does it also say that He reigns forever and ever. Reread the verse:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

When does He reign? According to this verse at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet is when the kingdoms of this world belong to Jesus Christ and He shall reign over them. When does this happen? According to Scriptures at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Its right there, i am not making it up, it is there in plain sight.

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

So at the 7th Trumpet the 24 elders are celebrating and praising God, why?

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Are you not big on what Scriptures actually say Ahwatukee, Does the above verse which is a description of the 7th Trumpet blowing say that Jesus WILL reign? Nope. What does the verse actually say Ahwatukee? That He IS reigning. When does He start His reign on Earth? According to Scriptures at the 7th Trumpet sounding.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

So this verse says that at the 7th Trumpet sounding God gives out rewards. WHAT? That is not tribulations, that is rewarding. Do you not teach that the 7th Trumpet can't be the Rapture, because it is a part of the God's Wrath. But what do we see Scriptures plainly teaching about the 7th Trumpet sounding. That there are great voices in Heaven, that they are worshiping God, that the Kingdoms of the World, now belong to Jesus, that Jesus is reigning now, and the dead are raised up, and that that Saints and prophets are going to be rewarded, and All this is done during the 7th Trumpet sounding. Can you explain, why you believe that the Rapture can't possibly happen at the 7th trumpet because that is a part of the wrath of God, why does so many GOOD THINGS happen during the sounding of the 7th TRUMPET. All these Good things happen during the 7th Trumpet, but you seem to think it is not possible for the RAPTURE to happen at the 7th Trumpet because you say it is a part of the wrath of God. Which indeed it is for those who are not SAVED, but it is not for those who are SAVED. The Last Trumpet sounding is a glorious event for those who are SAVED, but is a horrible dreadful event for those who are left behind.

You even testify that the "Last Trump" is a blessing for the Church. Which is TRUE. The last Trumpet sounding in Revelation, the 7th Trumpet is ALSO a Blessing for the CHURCH. That is when the Mystery of God is finished, that is when the dead rise, that is when the Saints are rewarded, that is when the prophets are rewared, that is when Jesus controls all the Kingdoms of the world, that is when the Church is Raptured up to with Him, that is when Jesus starts His reign. Frankly i can't for the life of me figure out, with your intellegence, why you can't see this. Your own doctrine is blinding you to this TRUTH. Its almost as if you don't know that Revelation 11:15-19 even exist. In your mind the 7th Trumpet is a part of God's wrath, and any verse that says otherwise, you can't, or refuse to see it.

The 7th Trumpet Sounding is a part of God's wrath to those who are not chosen. But is indeed a blessing to them that are chosen. For some reason you can't or won't or refuse to believe that or understand that simple TRUTH.



Seriously? You are highly learned of the Bible and you do not know this?

When are the dead judged and raised or not raised? According to Scriptures at the 7th Trumpet sounding is when the dead are judged. Are the dead raised at the Rapture?

When does the Kingdom of the world become the kingdom of Jesus Christ? at the 7th Trumpet.

When are the Saints rewarded, at the 7th Trumpet. Isn't at the Rapture Saints are rewarded Glorified bodies?

When are the Prophets rewarded, at the 7th Trumpet.

When, according to Scriptures does Jesus start His reign? At the 7th Trumpet.

You say

Are you kidding me right now? The Dead are judged, the Saints are rewarded, Kingdoms of the World belong to Jesus, and Jesus starts His reign. NONE of this sound like a the Rapture to you. sigh... .. .. . it is as i said before, you totally and 100% ignore, interpret away, make void, or are just plain blind to the meaning of Rev 11:15-19. Like those verse don't even exist to you.



That is not the ONLY reason. There are other reasons as well, first and foremost. i know they are one and the same because that is what God told me. Secondly, there are many similarities between the "last Trump" and the 7th Trumpet sounding in Revelation. Thirdly the "last Trump" is indeed talking about a series of trumpets being sounded. And we have an example of a series of trumpets being sounded in Revelation. And the "the last trump"et sounding in Revelations sound very much like the Rapture. Well to those who know the TRUTH anyways.



Could i not say the exact same thing to you. "To say they are not one and the same is just an exegetical error on your part" And as i have said before, should i believe you over what God told me? That answer is no. Now if you can't show that the "last Trump" is NOT the 7th Trumpet, then i assure you it is ONLY your opinion that says it is NOT, and you won't be able to find one verse that says it is not, it is merely your opinion that they are not one and the same, and you did not even derive this opinion from Scriptures, if you did, then you would have already quoted the scriptures to back up your belief that they can't be one and the Same. So then it is your opinion, not based on Scriptures that the "last Trump" and the 7th Trumpet of Revelation are not the same event. Your opinion is wrong.

i have asked you to explain many things to me, which you have not done. Here again, i am asking you to explain to me each verse and what each verse means according to you, of Rev 11:15-19, which i feel for some reason you have excluded from your belief of when the Rapture will occur. Rev 11:15-19 is a very specific description of the 7th Trumpet sounding. So explain to me each verse and what each verse means.

You say at the Rapture the dead rise up to be with Christ, this is True and is Scriptural. Tell me are the dead judged at that Rapture? i mean the dead in Christ are raised first, the dead must be judged at this time correct? When does Scripture teach the dead are judged? At the 7th Trumpet sounding right?
You say at the Rapture the Saints are raised also correct? and given the reward of their Glorified bodies, right? i mean that is what you teach as well right, that at the Rapture is when the Saints get their Glorified bodies right? According to Scriptures when are the Saints rewarded? Again, at the 7th Trumpet sounding. Please try to answer all these questions, even as i do my very best to answer every single question that you have presented to me. Or do what you always do when you find it hard to answer a question that does not fit into your own belief, and just skip over it. We shall see.

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DiscipleDave

​You obviously don't want people to read this post. Long winded posts are most likely to be ignored. Keep it short and simple.

i could write one long post or 20 short posts. Which is easier for you to ignore, One long post or 20 short posts?

What is it to me if nobody reads the long winded post? It pleases God that i am doing what He called me to do, and that is all that matters to me. God already told me, it is not my place to convince anyone of the TRUTHS that He told me, but that i only reveal the TRUTHS that He told me.

So i reveal to you in long winded posts, what is it to me, if you or anyone, reads it or don't read it? if you are not interested in what God told me to tell this generation then ignore it. Is it not easier to ignore one long post then to ignore 20 short posts? If your not interested in what God told me, then put me on ignore, then i believe you don't have to read any post from me.

i will tell you the TRUTH, even if every single person on CC put me on ignore, i would still do what i am instructed to do. He already told me, that this generation would not receive those things He told me, so i already know if you read the long winded post, the odds are you would not believe it. So then, i am not writing anything at all to try to get people to believe what i am saying.

IN all of my posts i am responding to someone who has responded to me. If they say a lot to me in a post, i will reply to most if not everything they say in that post to me. Little advise, if you don't want long winded posts from me, then when you reply to something i said, don't make it a long post, because i will reply to most if not all things that you say in it.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

This theory is super problematic.
You need to test before taking a position.

The position that i have taken is what God told me. i know how that sounds, but it is the TRUTH.

1. You have the rapture happening AFTER the 2 wtnesses......impossible. The dead IN CHRIST rise first,not two Jews.

Are are seeing things that are not there. Where in all of my posts or even in the time line do i talk about the 2 witnesses at all? You say i have the Rapture happening AFTER the 2 witnesses, when i don't have the 2 witnesses anywhere. lol.

2. Rev 11 is a declaration, not a chronological continuant.

Please reread what i wrote. Am i discussing the Revelation the whole chapter 11? NO. only verses 15 - 19. Pay attention what verse 15 says:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Clearly Rev 11:15-19 is talking about the 7th angel sounding the Trumpet.

Hint,when is satan cast down? At the start of the GT,arriving on a white horse.

satan is cast down out of Heaven when the Earth was created. he was in the Garden with Adam and Eve.

Hint, when is the earth redeemed?

The Earth is redeemed at the 7th Trumpet. And the human first fruits to Jesus Christ are chosen, 144,000 children.

In heaven,at the arrival of the kinsman redeemer or rev 5

NOT in Heaven. If you think so, show Scriptures that support that opinion.

You can not understand those things of rev 11,without help.

Would God giving you the understanding be considered help?

You need us,WE ALL NEED US, to unravel the mysteries,

You would do well to remember what Scriptures teach. That interpretations belong to God, NOT TO MEN.

You need to study the book of ruth.

We all need to study the Word. i have read the Book of Ruth over 80 times. But even though we all need to study, interpretations should be left to God and NOT TO MEN.

It contsins the rapture the 4 part harvest,the kinsman redeemer,the JEWISH RESTORATION, and the gentile bride.

i can do nothing but continue to believe what God told me. But if you choose to believe what men say the Book of Ruth means, that is your right.

So just because you think it is problematic does not mean that it actually is.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

You have every right to believe as you do, it is FREE WILL.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

It is only wise to do so. Many false prophets satan has raised up, to cause this generation not to believe the real ones when they show up.

See post above.

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DiscipleDave

Just post concept vs concept

i should continue to post what the spirit leads me to post, correct?

We don't need all the attacking drama

i am unaware that i have attacked in any way whatsoever. Please reveal where i have done that, so that i may take it to prayer and repent of it. Thanks.

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DiscipleDave

 

[abcdef]

Hi abcdef,

I agree with 2 resurrections, but your inference is off. Jesus' resurrection is not listed in Rev. 20. This is the saints being raised when He comes back. The first resurrection is not the main one, the second is the main resurrection.

Jesus' resurrection is the 1st resurrection, Paul plainly says that. The resurrection of Jesus is the 1st resurrection of Rev 20, unless you want to change the meaning that Paul applied to it.

It is literally the 1st resurrection, where Jesus rose.

The saints who are raised and rule are the OT saints.

The 2nd resurrection is where Jesus comes to take possession of the kingdom at the 7th trumpet. Then it is the fire from heaven and the judgment.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Jesus' resurrection with the OT saints and the time of the kingdom/church on planet earth.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

They reign with Jesus through their words and writings, as proclamations from the king.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

The dragon (Rev 20:2, Rev 12:3) is Rome. Rome returns as a nation at the end of the kingdom/church period.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

This is what the dragon could not do before his release, deceive the gentile nations into attacking Jerusalem, that has been restored to Israel.

This is the army of the 6th seal, the 200 mill army that crosses the Euphrates.

Only a small percentage of God's children will be harvested at Christ's coming.

If you are not rapt/resur ed when Jesus comes at the 7th trump, you will have no 2nd chance, this planet is destroyed by the fire from heaven.

Many claimed believers will be in the 2nd resurrection. This is how they will act:

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is the judgment of Rev 20:10-15.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Also Rev 20:10-15

But they will have their first chance to serve after the second resurrection: See: White Throne Judgement

Yours,

Deade

When the rapt/resur happens, that's it, the end, fire from heaven, judgment, death is destroyed, the wedding, and eternity.

No 2nd chances.

 

[DiscipleDave]

BTW, do show me where all on the planet DO NOT take the mark.

I noticed you kinda forgot that

How can i forget something that i did not mention at all?

Are you asking me if all take the mark? If you have a question then plainly ask the question you are seeking an answer to.

Not everyone take the Mark, only those who are deceived by the mark take that mark. Not everyone will be decieved. Scriptures give two clues as to what the mark is. If you stay away from anything that fits those two clues, you will not be deceived and take the mark unawares.
1) it is a mark that goes into the right hand or forehead
and
2) it allows you to buy and sell with it.

If a person stays away from anything that fits those two clues, you will not take the mark. But woe to those who do, and their will be many, and i mean over 50% of the world will take it, and then shortly after it hits the 50% mark, it will take a huge jump into about 90% in a matter of less than a month. You have been warned to stay away from anything that fits those two clues. And i will tell you the TRUTH now before it happens, the temptation to take the mark is going to be so great, that you will soon forget what i have warned you, in order for you to take this awesome thing, that will give you unlimited credit. Want a house? get the mark. Want to start a business? get the mark. Want a Lamborghini? get the mark. Want to be rich? get the mark. Its coming, and it is going to happen. UNLIMITED CREDIT. But it's a trap that you will not be able to get out from under. You have been warned. Stay away from anything that fits those two clues, it is the Mark of the BEAST.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Greetings.



This is what Scriptures teach as well.



This is not Scriptural. Yes we that are alive will be changed, but it does not say into spirits.



There is only one day that will determine who is going to Heaven and who is not going to Heaven, and that day is NOT at the time of death of a person. That day is when Christ Returns and if your name is found in the Book of Life you get to go to Heaven, if it is not in the Book of Life, you are left behind. It is ONLY that day that determines who is going to Heaven and who is not. And since that day has not happened yet, nobody is in Heaven nor in Hell. Judgement Day will determine who goes to Heaven and does not go to Heaven. JUDGEMENT DAY is NOT at the time of death of a person.



God the Father is a spirit. Jesus is not. No man has seen the Father at any time, because there is nothing to see, He is not physical, He has no matter. He is PURE LIGHT. Jesus is physical, made of matter. His flesh is not like human flesh. Human flesh is bound by the physics of this planet that humans live on. Heavenly flesh, that is to say, like Jesus and the Angels is indeed flesh but not flesh from the Earth. That flesh does not age, or get sick, or hungers.

When Jesus and the two Angels came down to destroy Sodom they first stopped by Abraham's domain. They looked like ordinary men. So much so that Abraham, offered them shade under his tree, and offered them food. What need would a spirit have to sit under the shade? What need would a spirit have to eat food. Jesus and the Angels with Him, were in their Glorified bodies. 100% Flesh and in the image of humans. But not flesh of the Earth.

What this generation can't grasp is that in our Glorified bodies we are neither male nor female, but we can look male or female if we so choose, being the offspring of God. We can be an eagle or a shark. We are not limited by the physics of the planet Earth. The children of God have no form, or any form. They can choose to be a wisp of smoke (spirit) or a T-Rex (physical matter). Our Glorified bodies are neither Spirit or physical, they are whatever you choose to be. If you can't swallow this, then don't. if you can, then well. It matters not what you believe concerning this that i just said.



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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

You need to settle down and have your thoughts tested by the word and bereans here at cc.

Some of your stuff is not scriptural.

Even though some of the stuff i teach is not Scriptural, it does not contradict any Scriptures. God told me many things to tell this generation, some of which are not written in Scriptures. For example one day the anti-christ will be on TV saying "Where is your God now?" during a time of great distress all over the world, planet spinning faster, Earth out of orbit wobbling. The anti-christ being on TV saying "Where is your God now" to the world. is not in any Scriptures, but is what God told me is going to happen. What then? i should not tell you what He told me, because it is not found in Scriptures? i will continue to teach those things that God allows me to teach, to a generation that He already told me would not hear Him. But that you have no cloak for your ignorances, i have told you the TRUTH. And what i mean by that, is when you stand before God on Judgement Day and are rejected, it won't be because God did not reveal the TRUTH to you through His servants. People in this generation flat out reject the TRUTH that i say what i teach comes from God, that is not God's fault, nor mine.
Scriptures teach to try the spirits, therefore i have said over and over again, if what i teach, that i say comes from God, contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then i am false. But God has told me these things, i teach what He has told me, and NONE of it contradicts Scriptures, Why? Because God does not contradict Himself.

So, even though some of the stuff i teach is not written in Scriptures, does not mean it is not TRUE.

Is it not written if the Disciples were to write down all the stuff that Jesus did that there would not be enough books in the world to contain them. So then Jesus DID many things that are NOT written in the Scriptures we have today, correct? Things that God did not want revealed 2,000 years ago, that He does want revealed in the last days, He is going to do through His servants the prophets, correct?

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Interpretations do not belong to men, God will reveal His interpretations of the Word of God to whom God will reveal them. Woe to men who seek understanding of the Word of God via their own means, by their own intellect, as if that could actually happen. satan can take advantage of any person who goes about to interpret the Word of God, because that person opens up the door to satan, because that person did not understand the simple TRUTH, that interpretation do not belong to men, therefore when men take it upon themselves to try to understand the Word of God via there own abilities, their own intellect, that is when satan has permission to step in and sway that person to believe a false doctrine. Interpretations belong to God not to men, God will reveal His interpretation to whomever God will reveal them. He may reveal one interpretation to this person and another interpretation to another. But all of them come from HIM, and not from the minds of the men who God gives His interpretations too.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave