The Rapture

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louis said:
It is about a set of Christian beliefs.
The Samaritan in Luke 10 (a gentile without law) had the belief in heart of loving his neighbor, whereas the supposed believers in God, the Rabbi and Priest had no real faith in loving their neighbor.
True worship represents a heart felt adoration.
I think your interpretation of worship is that of people attending services on a Saturday or Sunday, where they kneel, bow, stand, repeat some phrases; and then they go home to live their lives in contradiction to love, justice, and truth.
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Woah,not bad sir.
( the worship part)
You said a mouthfull there
 
tourist said:
Maybe someone will toss me a few crumbs.
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Even those that died before us attend.

It is awesome that Jesus framed the rapture around a wedding,a bride,the Jew,the gentile,the feast and those with abundance of precious oil.
 
louis said:
So the effect of the early USA being great was due to its cause believing in Christian values, such as loving ones neighbor, being fair and just, and dealing in truth.
As such, one would have to say that the effect today in which we see ever increasing levels of lawlessness is due to our disbelief in empathy towards our neighbor, being just and fair, and dealing in truth.
I can agree with that.
The next question would then be: Why do people today believe in not loving their neighbor, being unjust, and lies?
There has to be motive, and that motive are the things that please the eyes....material goods (idols) that mankind's industries produce in ever increasing quantities.
These increasing of idols is why lawlessness is increasing, and will continue to increase.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
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Actually it is a tad deeper.

Mans wicked heart is the thing tempted by the trinkets.
But the main tool for temptation is sex.

This is WHY God poured out the HOLY SPIRIT on the day of pentecost.
Power for belivers to live Holy. And anointing to do miracles.( for ministry and the body of Christ)

Even believers get caught up in sin.

But the culprit is mans wicked heart.
The remedy is a new heart.
 
Ahwatukee said:
But not everyone is caught. It's like saying, "anyone found protesting will be arrested." But there are always those people who were protesting that managed to avoid arrest. you are being too firm with these words. As I have previously made clear from scripture, some Gentiles believers who do not worship the best, his image nor receive his mark, avoid capture and death and that because we have clear scripture showing mortal Gentiles entering into the millennial period. Your version would have all Gentiles killed and none of them going into the millennial period. But since we do in fact have scripture showing Gentiles going into the millennial period, then your claim cannot be true.

That Gentiles in their mortal bodies will be living during the millennial period is not debatable. Therefore, if they are all killed off as you claim, then could not possible exist in the millennial period. That is the logic of it.
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Some who worship the beast will swap their allegience to Jesus when he comes in Glory on white horses.

But all on the planet take the mark.

Their may be some obscure ,tiny, exclusions,but they are not significant in number.
( like some unknown tribe in the amazon or something)
 
louis said:
Thankyou, heartofdavid.
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If anything is getting clear,it is that worship is abandoned adoration and devotion is the sweet incence that the Father and Jesus desires and is prompting in these last days.
I am continually being washed,empowered, and set high ,high,above all this world,to completely divorce it.
 
heartofdavid said:
Even believers get caught up in sin.
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Correct.
And all sin is disbelief (Romans 14:23).
So long as we accept the truth that we occasionally sin/disbelieve we shall then be free at some point.

Romans 14:23 [FONT=&quot]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for whatsoever is not of faith is sin[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]
 
louis said:
It is about a set of Christian beliefs.
The Samaritan in Luke 10 (a gentile without law) had the belief in heart of loving his neighbor, whereas the supposed believers in God, the Rabbi and Priest had no real faith in loving their neighbor.
True worship represents a heart felt adoration.
I think your interpretation of worship is that of people attending services on a Saturday or Sunday, where they kneel, bow, stand, repeat some phrases; and then they go home to live their lives in contradiction to love, justice, and truth.
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I don't define worship. The Bible does
 
heartofdavid said:
Some who worship the beast will swap their allegience to Jesus when he comes in Glory on white horses.
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All who worship the beast (that is where people adore the beasts system) will be dammed (Revelation 14:9).
The beasts system will provide mankind with all the idols their hearts desire.
To attain these idols (material goods), mankind will become an even greater lawless society than it currently is (Revelation 9:20-21).

Revelation 14:9 [FONT=&quot]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 9:[/FONT]20 [FONT=&quot]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT]
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
Values are good but it's a lot to do with the honour and worship of God. The real God..
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The real God is love (1 John 4:8 & 16).
Worship/Adoration of God, the real God is love/worship/adoration of love/God, and like it ones neighbor.

1 John 4:8 [FONT=&quot]He that loveth not knoweth not God; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]for God is love[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.[/FONT]
 
louis said:
The real God is love (1 John 4:8 & 16).
Worship/Adoration of God, the real God is love/worship/adoration of love/God, and like it ones neighbor.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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You don't worship your neighbour.

Mark 12:28-33

The first part is Love The Lord your God with all your heart.
The second part is love your neighbour as yourself.

If you leave off the first part it breaks down.
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
You don't worship your neighbour.

Mark 12:28-33

The first part is Love The Lord your God with all your heart.
The second part is love your neighbour as yourself.

If you leave off the first part it breaks down.
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Good enough, so why then did you contradict that faith in Christs Way of loving ones neighbor was not representative of worshipping God?
 
louis said:
All who worship the beast (that is where people adore the beasts system) will be dammed (Revelation 14:9).
The beasts system will provide mankind with all the idols their hearts desire.
To attain these idols (material goods), mankind will become an even greater lawless society than it currently is (Revelation 9:20-21).

Revelation 14:9 [FONT=&quot]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 9:[/FONT]20 [FONT=&quot]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT]
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Yes i have read that.

You made my case.

Re read it

( the repent option)
 
heartofdavid said:
Yes i have read that.

You made my case.

Re read it

( the repent option)
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I see the repent option, but as the Word also states, that they chose not to repent, the option then will be rejected. And Gods Word cannot be wrong.

If you are having a great time (as in the days of Noah, or as in the days of Lot in Sodom), partying it up under the beasts reign, are you going to willingly repent from continuing in the flesh orgy?
You may say to yourself, tommorrow I'll repent; but tommorrow will keep being put off as long as the party continues.
 
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In the end times and we are in them, the Restraining Hand of the Holy Ghost will be removed. This is starting to occur. The absence of God is when violence and evil will increase.
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
Exactly, which is why it isn't The Vatican. The nations surrounding Israel are all named in prophecy.
They are all judged.
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Lucy,

I'm not sure what you are saying.

The Roman Empire ruled Israel (the People).

Then when the empire fell, the Vatican ruled Israel.
 
Roadkill said:
In the end times and we are in them, the Restraining Hand of the Holy Ghost will be removed. This is starting to occur. The absence of God is when violence and evil will increase.
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The end times we are in will continue to become more lawless due to ever increasing new products (idols) that are emerging from technologies, referred to as sorceries in Revelation 9:21.

Revelation 9:21 [FONT=&quot]Neither repented they of their murders, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]nor of their sorceries[/FONT][FONT=&quot], nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT]
 
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