Not By Works

[NoNameMcgee]

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.




everyone who goes to hell

goes to hell on account of iniquity


everyone who goes to heaven

go there on account of Jesus's imputed righteousness



boasting of your works

gets you nowhere study man

only Jesus ...

1 John 5:4 - KJV
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

are you born of God?


then He knows you and youre saved....

its CLEAR as day if you have eyes to see

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Studyman]

they are sinners

as is every single man and woman who walked the earth not named Jesus


they boast "but did this and that" in order to saved before Jesus


but Jesus NEVER knew them

they NEVER were born again

But they thought they were servants of Jesus, they claimed to be servants of Jesus, they did all in His Name. They confessed with their mouth that He was the Christ. They did everything in His name. But what did JESUS say the reason was for their rejection?

Did He say they weren't saved "EVER"? Did Jesus say they didn't have "FAITH"? No, He followed up on His statement "You shall know them by their fruits" and exposed this people as frauds because they HAD WORKS, as do we all. But their Works were transgression to His Fathers Commandments".

How is this not accurate given His Words?

 

[Studyman]

they are sinners

as is every single man and woman who walked the earth not named Jesus


they boast "but did this and that" in order to saved before Jesus


but Jesus NEVER knew them

they NEVER were born again

Yes, because, as Jesus said point blank, their "this and that" didn't include honoring God with respect and obedience as did Jesus and EVERY righteous example in the Bible.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

But they thought they were servants of Jesus, they claimed to be servants of Jesus, they did all in His Name. They confessed with their mouth that He was the Christ. They did everything in His name. But what did JESUS say the reason was for their rejection?

Did He say they weren't saved "EVER"? Did Jesus say they didn't have "FAITH"? No, He followed up on His statement "You shall know them by their fruits" and exposed this people as frauds because they HAD WORKS, as do we all. But their Works were transgression to His Fathers Commandments".

How is this not accurate given His Words?

yes He did say'that


He NEVER KNEW THEM


geez

open your eyes man

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Studyman]

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.




everyone who goes to hell

goes to hell on account of iniquity


everyone who goes to heaven

go there on account of Jesus's imputed righteousness



boasting of your works

gets you nowhere study man

only Jesus ...

1 John 5:4 - KJV
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

are you born of God?


then He knows you and youre saved....

its CLEAR as day if you have eyes to see

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I would love to see you show even one time where I boasted of my works.

These guys were staring at the Lake of Fire Jesus promised to those who "Do iniquity". They were arguing their case. "But wait Jesus, don't you know who we are"? We sung you happy birthday every Dec. 25th. We sang songs to you every Sunday. We have a statue of a long haired men's hair shampoo model we call Jesus in every church in the land. We feed all kinds of random poor people all in your name. We build huge churches and send missions to the deepest part of the world all in your name.

But Jesus didn't care about "Their Righteousness", He cared about whether they humbled themselves to God's Righteousness, to God's Instructions. How is this thinking wrong?

He just got through saying

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

You and "many" who come in Christ's Name preach that Jesus does the Will of God for us. This preaching is a deception and Matt. 7 points this out perfectly.

 

[stonesoffire]

So then to show Him I love Him I must reject His Commandments and created images of God in the likeness of man, create my own Sabbaths, reject His Righteousness, and follow ancient religious tradition? And is I hate Him, I listen to all His Words and strive to walk even as He walked? I don’t know, didn’t Jesus warn about this very teaching

Just pointing out something here studyman. Notice your word strive? That's trying to do in your own power.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I would love to see you show even one time where I boasted of my works.

i never said YOU did


i said boasting of your works gets you nowhere
im talking to YOU about the self righteous in matthew

those who were never born again to begin with

 

[stonesoffire]

New International Version 1984 John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Could you explain how and what you hear Seohce?

 

[Studyman]

yes He did say'that


He NEVER KNEW THEM


geez

open your eyes man

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

But the point is these people were convinced that He Did. Someone had convinced them that they could create their own religious practices and reject God's Instructions and still be "Saved".


How are they different than a religion that creates their own Sabbaths, while rejecting God's, their own High Days and Feasts unto the Lord, while Rejecting God's, create their own images of God in the likeness of some long haired Playgirl centerfold, I could go on and on.

How do you square these "Christian" traditions in the light of what Jesus taught in Matt. 7?

 

[stonesoffire]

That's right. That means if we aren't doing anything then we don't have Him. Our lawless disobedience showing that we do not know Him. We will be rejected when Jesus comes back. Not saved.

No amount of Bible study leading, church attending, church program participation, pastoring, giving, no positive confessions of being saved, no boast of his grace, no work of service or praise for God will save the person who is not producing the fruit of the Spirit because they do not know Him.

Matthew 7:21-23 is an indictment of every 'faith alone' Christian busy spreading their 'you do not have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back because salvation is not by works and once you are saved you are always saved' gospel. Only those who do the will of the Father will be saved when He returns.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."-Matthew 7:21

Works show that you know Christ and are saved by faith in his forgiveness, and will be saved when He returns.

Thats not what that means at all. That's not about fruit.

 

[Studyman]

i never said YOU did


i said boasting of your works gets you nowhere
im talking to YOU about the self righteous in matthew

those who were never born again to begin with

boasting of your works

gets you nowhere study man

Nice save.

 

[stonesoffire]

It's the big lie in the church. Obedience is you trying to save yourself. Disobedience is you not trusting in work to save you.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!-Isaiah 5:20

How does one submit to what is applied to your account? Imputed.

 

[stonesoffire]

How does one submit to what is applied to your account? Imputed.

This is to studymans post where he said we must submit to His righteousness. Wasn't meant for Ralph. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Nice save.

it helps when the truth is on my side....


ill pray for you study man.....

 

[stonesoffire]

Thats not what that means at all. That's not about fruit.

I am wrong in this post. I was thinking that this phrase was with John where Jesus said He could not do anything apart from Father.

my bad.

 

[Studyman]

Just pointing out something here studyman. Notice your word strive? That's trying to do in your own power.

I believe Jesus and His Words. He created me with a brain and gave me instructions.

As God of the Old Testament He instructed:

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

As my Savior He Instructed me in the New Testament:

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

I don't believe that I have nothing to do with my life because Jesus said I have a choice. He doesn't make the choice for me. He helps me "AFTER" I make the choice to pick up my cross and follow Him.

He doesn't carry my cross for me, He doesn't follow Himself for me.

I trust Him and His Word's, not the words of the very people He warns to "Take Heed" of.

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And (Then) I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I believe in Him, not the Jesus with the long hair and who doesn't care if we live in rejection to His Fathers Instructions, but the Jesus who created me with a brain and a choice and the ability to make the choice.

He gave me a choice and said I could make it. He promised that if I loved Him with all my might, and if I sought Him with all my might, that He would reveal Himself to me. A nobody, an uneducated sinner. Well, I believe in Him. I don't believe the nah sayers who preach over and over, that Jesus didn't give me enough power or freedom to make the choice He said He laid out before me.

I think that was the problem with those in Matt. 7. They might have thought, like "many" today, that all they had to do was go to some church and say Jesus name, and He will do the rest for you. That there isn't a choice that needs to be made. That they didn't have to "Do the Will of God", or as many on this thread preach, "do anything" .Jesus did the will of God for them.

He said there would be "MANY" in "that day" that would be in the same place as these guys were. Jesus did too much for me already for me not to "fight the good fight" and as Paul taught.

Rom. 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

 

[Studyman]

This is to studymans post where he said we must submit to His righteousness. Wasn't meant for Ralph. Sorry for the confusion.

Paul said the Pharisees, the mainstream preachers of his time, had rejected God's Righteousness and created their own. I submit that those in Matt. 7, did the same.

I don't believe the preaching that I can skate into heaven living in iniquity as long as I do so in Jesus name.

 

[stonesoffire]

That's right. That means if we aren't doing anything then we don't have Him. Our lawless disobedience showing that we do not know Him. We will be rejected when Jesus comes back. Not saved.

No amount of Bible study leading, church attending, church program participation, pastoring, giving, no positive confessions of being saved, no boast of his grace, no work of service or praise for God will save the person who is not producing the fruit of the Spirit because they do not know Him.

Matthew 7:21-23 is an indictment of every 'faith alone' Christian busy spreading their 'you do not have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back because salvation is not by works and once you are saved you are always saved' gospel. Only those who do the will of the Father will be saved when He returns.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."-Matthew 7:21

Works show that you know Christ and are saved by faith in his forgiveness, and will be saved when He returns.

Our lawless disobedience? Lol speak for yourself Ralph. Well, did you know that Christ is not His name? If you know someone, at least one would call Him by His name don't you think?

 

[stonesoffire]

Paul said the Pharisees, the mainstream preachers of his time, had rejected God's Righteousness and created their own. I submit that those in Matt. 7, did the same.

I don't believe the preaching that I can skate into heaven living in iniquity as long as I do so in Jesus name.

How does the one new man, new creation being, born of Holy Spirit, dead to what was before, now alive to God....can live in iniquity? And the very righteousness of God in Christ Jesus imputed to us because of the great love our Father has for us, and for all the world....where is iniquity?

Either you don't know what you have received, or you just have Head knowledge. Am sorry to say this, but you better get to studying studyman.

 

[stonesoffire]

I believe Jesus and His Words. He created me with a brain and gave me instructions.

As God of the Old Testament He instructed:

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

As my Savior He Instructed me in the New Testament:

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him,
If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

I don't believe that I have nothing to do with my life because Jesus said I have a choice. He doesn't make the choice for me. He helps me "AFTER" I make the choice to pick up my cross and follow Him.

He doesn't carry my cross for me, He doesn't follow Himself for me.

I trust Him and His Word's, not the words of the very people He warns to "Take Heed" of.

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And (Then) I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I believe in Him, not the Jesus with the long hair and who doesn't care if we live in rejection to His Fathers Instructions, but the Jesus who created me with a brain and a choice and the ability to make the choice.

He gave me a choice and said I could make it. He promised that if I loved Him with all my might, and if I sought Him with all my might, that He would reveal Himself to me. A nobody, an uneducated sinner. Well, I believe in Him. I don't believe the nah sayers who preach over and over, that Jesus didn't give me enough power or freedom to make the choice He said He laid out before me.

I think that was the problem with those in Matt. 7. They might have thought, like "many" today, that all they had to do was go to some church and say Jesus name, and He will do the rest for you. That there isn't a choice that needs to be made. That they didn't have to "Do the Will of God", or as many on this thread preach, "do anything" .Jesus did the will of God for them.

He said there would be "MANY" in "that day" that would be in the same place as these guys were. Jesus did too much for me already for me not to "fight the good fight" and as Paul taught.

Rom. 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Ok, I see your testimony here. I believe what you are saying, that you were presented with a choice, and you said yes. My testimony is similar.

We obeyed His commandment, we must be born again. Then Pentecost. Pentecost?

I agree that we will obey. But, isn't it by His Voice within,and the written word as we read and meditate on His Word? Not as law...I must or off to the fire. He works on the inside, speaking, leading as I daily live in union with Him.

I don't think about sinning. I don't think about obeying. I just talk to Him every day. He tells me answers to my questions. If I have a do for Him? I do it. He and I are one. I've come to know this is true.