GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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i'm sorry but this doesn't explain really why Jackson's patient ((unanswered)) questions about how to obey and follow God indicate so clearly to you that he "has a lot of trouble obeying and following God"
would you mind clarifying for me? i'm dense. not seeing the connection.
you are the one who says mankind doesn't know the difference between good and evil unless he has Moses' Law, right? so why can't Jackson ask people who tell us they are experts about it? it looks to me like Jackson might be the one among us who is actually having less trouble than anyone else, since he's looking for the right thing to do, while all the rest of us are sitting up on pedestals like we know everything. obviously you know better, so tell me please how you reach this obvious conclusion about Jackson...?
okay thanks
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i still haven't had an answer to my question either.
the great and learned Studyman has taught me that when Paul says "let no one judge you with regard to observing new moon festivals, feasts and sabbath days" what Paul actually means is "judge one another with regard to their failure to observe new moon festivals, feasts and sabbath days" -- and that the obvious problem with how poorly this interpretation actually fits the text is that "the Pharisees made up their own sacred days and that's what you shouldn't judge one another over"
the problem here is that there's not really any way to "make up your own new moon" -- there's one obvious new moon in the sky. God put it there. you can't say when the moon is 1/4 that "oh, this will be called new moon now, we made it up and you must observe it"
so the new moon. Rosh Chodesh. the scripture tells the Israelites to observe it.
reading through the thread, if i believe what is written, i am in danger of eternal hellfire and damnation if i don't observe the new moon. doesn't matter that Christ died for me, i'm condemned anyway unless i don't worship God on sundays, don't .. do something undefined ((because we threw out all the Law except Exodus 20, well most of Exodus 20 too, but not the SACRED TEN part just all the rest of it)) .. something still undefined i don't do on saturdays, keep the actual feasts ((not Chanukah)), and observe the new moon festival.
my question, unanswered for at least two new moons now, is what am i supposed to do to avoid death and hell on the new moon? obviously believing in the all-sufficient sacrifice and atonement of Christ's blood is not enough ((according to what this thread teaches))
will someone please tell me how to observe the new moon festival? it's not like i want to go to hell. previously i thought Christ was enough to save me, then i read this thread..
can no one help?
who will save me from this body of death?
the great and learned Studyman has taught me that when Paul says "let no one judge you with regard to observing new moon festivals, feasts and sabbath days" what Paul actually means is "judge one another with regard to their failure to observe new moon festivals, feasts and sabbath days" -- and that the obvious problem with how poorly this interpretation actually fits the text is that "the Pharisees made up their own sacred days and that's what you shouldn't judge one another over"
the problem here is that there's not really any way to "make up your own new moon" -- there's one obvious new moon in the sky. God put it there. you can't say when the moon is 1/4 that "oh, this will be called new moon now, we made it up and you must observe it"
so the new moon. Rosh Chodesh. the scripture tells the Israelites to observe it.
reading through the thread, if i believe what is written, i am in danger of eternal hellfire and damnation if i don't observe the new moon. doesn't matter that Christ died for me, i'm condemned anyway unless i don't worship God on sundays, don't .. do something undefined ((because we threw out all the Law except Exodus 20, well most of Exodus 20 too, but not the SACRED TEN part just all the rest of it)) .. something still undefined i don't do on saturdays, keep the actual feasts ((not Chanukah)), and observe the new moon festival.
my question, unanswered for at least two new moons now, is what am i supposed to do to avoid death and hell on the new moon? obviously believing in the all-sufficient sacrifice and atonement of Christ's blood is not enough ((according to what this thread teaches))
will someone please tell me how to observe the new moon festival? it's not like i want to go to hell. previously i thought Christ was enough to save me, then i read this thread..
can no one help?
who will save me from this body of death?
ahem...
These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do: For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day.
(Exodus 35:1-3)
(Exodus 35:1-3)
This is what the LORD meant: Tomorrow is a sabbath observance, a holy sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning.
(Exodus 16:23)
The LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
"But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying,
‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
‘Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death'"
(Exodus 31:12-14)
excuse me but how can you say these are not God's commandments? "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying,
‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
‘Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death'"
(Exodus 31:12-14)
it appears to be clearly a boldface lie to say that.
perhaps you meant to say
"I choose to ignore what God commanded about those things" ?
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Loving God - Deuteronomy 6:4-5
Loving Neighbor - Leviticus 19:18
neither are in the ten commandments, or as you like to call them, "THE SACRED TEN"
just a friendly reminder
Loving Neighbor - Leviticus 19:18
neither are in the ten commandments, or as you like to call them, "THE SACRED TEN"
just a friendly reminder
In regards to Matt 22:40. I am impressed to share again the definition of the Greek word translated hang. The following is an excerpt from the BDAG. I highlighted in bold their findings to simplify things for everyone. Pay close attention to the last citation highlighted.
κρεμάννυμι (this form of the present not in the Gk. Bible, but Job 26:7 has κρεμάζω. The word, in mngs. 1 and 2, Hom. et al.; ins, pap, LXX, TestSol, TestAbr; TestLevi 2:7; JosAs 22:5; ParJer; GrBar 9:8; ApcMos 17; ApcrEzk P 2 verso 10; Philo; Jos., Vi. 147 al.) fut. κρεμάσω LXX; 1 aor. ἐκρέμασα, pass. ἐκρεμάσθην.
to cause to hang, trans. hang (up) ἐπὶ ξύλου on the tree i.e. cross (cp. Gen 40:19; Dt 21:22; Esth 8:7) Ac 5:30; 10:39. The verb κ. by itself can also mean crucify (Diod. S. 17, 46, 4; Appian, Mithrid. 8 §25; 29 §114 δούλους ἐκρέμασε, Bell. Civ. 2, 90 §377; Arrian, Anab. 6, 17, 2; 6, 30, 2; 7, 14, 4). Pass. Lk 23:39 (cp. Appian, Bell. Civ. 3, 3 §9; Sb 6739 [255 B.C.], 9).—ἵνα κρεμασθῇ μύλος ὀνικὸς περὶ (vv.ll. εἰς, ἐπί, ἐν [τῷ -λῷ]) τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ that a millstone were hung around that person’s neck Mt 18:6. Reflex. ἐκρέμασεν ἁτὴν (=αὑτὴν) εἰς τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ Ἅννα Hannah (Anna) hung on his neck GJs 4:4 (cp. TestAbr A 5 p. 82, 19 [Stone p. 12] ἐκρεμάσθη ἐπὶ τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ; likew. JosAs 22:5).—1 Cl 12:7 v.l. Funk.
dep. κρέμαμαι (s. B-D-F §93; Rob. 316f) to hang down from some point, intrans., hang
lit. (TestSol 24:4; recension D 6:14; TestLevi 2:7; GrBar 9:8; ApcEsdr 4:22 p. 28, 25 Tdf. al.; Jos., Ant. 7, 241) ἐπί τινος on a thing (X., An. 3, 2, 19) ἐπὶ ξύλου (s. 1 above) Gal 3:13 (Dt 21:23). Of the branch of a vine μὴ κρεμαμένη ἐπὶ τῆς πτελέας if it does not hang on the elm tree Hs 2:3; cp. vs. 4. ἔκ τινος on someth. (Pla., Leg. 8, 831c; SIG2 588, 201; cp. Jdth 8:24) of a snake κ. ἐκ τῆς χειρός hung on the hand Ac 28:4. Of those being punished in hell ἐκ τῆς γλώσσης κρεμάμενοι ApcPt 7:22 (cp. ApcEsdr 4:22 p. 28, 25 Tdf. ἐκ τῶν βλεφάρων).
fig. (Philo, Post. Cai. 24; 25; SibOr 7, 55) ἐν ταύταις τ. δυσὶν ἐντολαῖς ὅλος ὁ νόμος κρέμαται καὶ οἱ προφῆται all the law and the prophets hang (depend) on these two commandments Mt 22:40 (as a door hangs on its hinges, so the whole OT hangs on these two comm. For the thought cp. Plut., Mor. 116d.—On κ. ἐν cp. 2 Km 18:9; Billerb. I 775ff; 967f).—DELG. M-M. TW.
All the law and the prophets hang (depend) on these two commandments Mt 22:40 (as a door hangs on its hinges, so the whole OT hangs on these two commandments and that would include the 7th Day Sabbath
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Good luck my friend trying to tell that to God come judgement day when his Word says SIN is breaking God's 10 Commandments and there is no scripture that says that God's 4th Commandments has been ABOLISHED and we are now Commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. You do know that the wages of SIN is death for those who continue in SIN don't you? This is because those who continue in SIN have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son...
Romans 6:23
23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Yep does not look good for some come judgement day. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us. SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.
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[FONT="]In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).
If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?[/FONT]
Romans 6:23
23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Yep does not look good for some come judgement day. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us. SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.
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[FONT="]In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).
If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?[/FONT]
Unless you BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God how can you see the Kingdom of Heaven? Only God's Word is true my friend and we should believe and follow him who loves us. Your salvation is now between you and God because you reject his Word, the Word will be your judge as it will be for all of us come judgement day. SIN will keep all who practice it our of God's KINGDOM.
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?