Not By Works

[Ralph-]

Except that Budman understands what practicing sin means and apparently you don't. Rightly divide ralph.

No, he doesn't.

He was insisting that sinning and living in sin are the exact same thing. Ask him. Read his posts. And then don't forget to accuse me of slander because you disagree with me about what he was saying. That's what you're supposed to do around here.

Read Rosemary's post. She makes the correct distinction between the two.

 

[Ralph-]

with apologizes to the others involved- here is your answer- it is not your ( or anyone's ) place to judge who is saved and who is not. you do not know another's heart, what they really think down deep inside.

so there is your answer. don't going around judging people. judge not, you shall not be judged. read that part of the Bible lately ralphie?

Uh....that's not answering my question.

 

[Ralph-]

"Ralph-" I'm worried about you man, you bear false witness on here so often, and have not repented of this to date. This behavior doesn't mix with what you're laying upon others to do. You've not apologized once and carry on as if you're antinomian and can live however you desire. Then you preach the exact opposite. There is a difference between preaching it and living it, and your behavior betrays your preaching.

It's very concerning that you live in this practice. Many have called on you here to repent of this behavior.

And this changes the truth about what I said how?

 

[Ralph-]

like your whole garbage about saying those who are born again claim to have a license to sin

No, I'm of the opinion that anyone who makes grace out to be a license to live like Galatians 5:19-21 is probably NOT born again. That was the point. Born again people don't live in sin. They sin but they do not live in it. That's what your own once saved always saved doctrine teaches. The person who is not living the faith is not born again. But I get blasted and derided for saying what your own doctrine says.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why we are His feet should be simple to understand, He is the head of the Church. Some have said we are His hands and feet, but this is not accurate as we are not doing the work, Mark 16:20, Acts 4:30, we just carry the message.

This analogy falls short of accurate....Paul compares us to a body...some members have honor some do not...some have an obvious function and some, their function is not so obvious....some are eyes, arms, legs etc.....and the whole is needed regardless of the importance or lack thereof!

 

[BillG]

No, I'm of the opinion that anyone who makes grace out to be a license to live like Galatians 5:19-21 is probably NOT born again. That was the point. Born again people don't live in sin. They sin but they do not live in it. That's what your own once saved always saved doctrine teaches. The person who is not living the faith is not born again. But I get blasted and derided for saying what your own doctrine says.

Is there anyone on this thread who says that grace is a license to sin? Do you assume that people on this thread who disagrees with you are using grace as an excuse to sin?

"Is probably NOT born again"

Interesting. Please expand.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Exodus 32:33 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

(anyone who sins once)


Revelation 3:5
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”

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overcome?

1 John 5:4 - KJV
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

i havent seen one verse that talks of a one of GODS children being forsaken and not saved

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[dcontroversal]

I see you're not man enough to own up to your false accusation against me and apologize. It's no wonder, looking through this thread, that many people have accused you of bearing false witness.

It's also no wonder you fail to answer what I wrote directly.

But, I'm going to try again.

Let me ask you Ralph, can a Christian lie?

Can a Christian steal something?

Can a Christian even murder?

A simple "yes" or "no" to those will do.

You, from atop your self-righteous high horse, thunder down about the rest of us who are "living in sin" when you yourself are just as guilty.

God demands perfection, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. "Be ye perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" is the command. (Matthew 5:28)

Are you perfect 24/7/365, Ralph.

Then guess what - you are sinning - constantly!

"Love the Lord thy God with with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" is the command. (Mark 12:30)

Do you do that, Ralph?

Then guess what - you are sinning - constantly!

For your view to be correct, either God overrides our free will at conversion and forces us to do good works with never an opportunity afforded to us to refuse, or, the sin of rebellion for refusing to do a good work is attributed to us. In that case, the blood of Jesus did not cleanse us from all sin - past, present, and future, but only up to the moment of conversion.

But the Bible says without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. So, no good work is going to get any sins forgiven after conversion, because Jesus is not coming back to die for sins again.

And yet again, even a single sin attributed to us, such as a lie, will cause us to be thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 21:8).

So, which is it, Ralph?

He/She is all that and a bag of spiritual chips........

 

[dcontroversal]

The preaching that Jesus rejected the Pharisees because they followed God's Commandments "blameless" is a false teaching. All your insults and deflection can not change Biblical fact.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

No Decon, Paul followed the Pharisees "Commandments of Men" "Blameless", not God's Laws.

Why won't you even consider the Words of Jesus and Paul and Jeremiah regarding the doctrines the Pharisees taught and followed?

Why and maybe more importantly, how can you look at the Word's of Jesus, Paul, Jeremiah, and God and knowingly, purposely flat out reject them?

If it isn't Jesus Word's that inspire you, then whose word are you preaching?

Try again....God inspired Paul and your simply rejecting the truth that he wrote that concerning the righteousess IN THE LAW HE WAS BLAMELESS....you are just another cake taking worker for denying truth to espouse a false gospel!!

 

[stonesoffire]

No, he doesn't.

He was insisting that sinning and living in sin are the exact same thing. Ask him. Read his posts. And then don't forget to accuse me of slander because you disagree with me about what he was saying. That's what you're supposed to do around here.

Read Rosemary's post. She makes the correct distinction between the two.

I never use the word slander. Nor do I accuse others of lying. Adding to posts? Twisting words? Yes.

You remind me of someone else, that takes phrases from a post and turns them back on the poster. She did it constantly.

Just an observance. Not saying you did it with my post.

Practicing something is to do it over and over. Temptation and not resisting is different. Results in guilt which results in repentance. The cycle is broken when the thing has become abhorrent to our new nature, and usually after seeing the goodness of the Lord. My testimony. can be a big sin, can be what we call a white lie.

We get sensitive to faults as we grow in His Holiness. It becomes our desire. And it's not by laws.

 

[Magenta]

Is there anyone on this thread who says that grace is a license to sin? Do you assume that people on this thread who disagrees with you are using grace as an excuse to sin?

No, it is just another lie that is told, while they admit they still sin, but that if others sin, it is evidence/proof that the others are not saved. The hypocrisy is so thick, it can be cut with a knife Aboriginals would call it speaking with a forked tongue Reminds me of the serpent [SUB][SUP]
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[dcontroversal]

1 John 3:9 [FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God...[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Before I was born again, I sinned the same sin over and over and over, that is how I became a drunk, a drug addict and a few other things...Today since being born again I do not PRACTICE these sins because I have the Holy Spirit guiding me, He is directing my paths, but although I have not touched drugs for 8 years ( God i believe was preparing my heart before H[/FONT]e called me )[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
I still do very occasionally have a drink, but I do not practice this habit any more...

We stumble because we are flesh, the word I think Ralph is emphasising is PRACTICE..Anyone who PRACTICES their sinful behaviour is not a true disciple...Ralph, the people who the LORD will say " Go away I never knew you will be the people who have a lovely shiny clean appearance on the outside for people to look at, but at home in their abode inside is rotten, just like themselves, all show for " Look at me, and what I have done for you Lord "...

God looks at our heart 1 Samuel 16:7 [/FONT]But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."...

These are the people who will not get into Heaven, those who have no heart towards God, people pleasers not lovers of Jesus...Thank God that His mercy for us is new every morning, every morning is full off fresh grace...Praise the LORD Oh my soul Praise the LORD forever more \/...Ralph, do you not think we are children of God with crooked paths that God is making straight, you yourself have bends and dents that need hammering out, but you like all in here I am sure are persevering until the end just as we are told to do, and those who remain in their old lifestyle, well they obviously do not have the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is He who helps us, the Spirit of truth...xox...

Amen...it is not that we won't or don't sin, but rather we will not live a life of continual sin.....and unless we forget, it is the spirit that has been born again ETERNALLY from above by INCORRUPTABLE SEED....it NEVER IS FOUND IN SIN NOR DOES IT SIN!

 

[dcontroversal]

Except that Budman understands what practicing sin means and apparently you don't. Rightly divide ralph.

No man can rightly divide anything from the word of God until they have acknowledge the truth concerning biblical salvation........just saying..........a man must be born from above to be able to spiritually discern the word of God....

*Disclaimer* Not saying anyone is or is not saved......

 

[dcontroversal]

Is there anyone on this thread who says that grace is a license to sin? Do you assume that people on this thread who disagrees with you are using grace as an excuse to sin?

"Is probably NOT born again"

Interesting. Please expand.

Amen brother.....his drivel is one of maybe two or three false arguments that the workers for, lawyers and Pharisees use to try and discredit the biblical truth of eternal security......they have nothing else to offer except twisted scripture, denied context and verb tense mixed with erroneous opinion!

 

[dcontroversal]

Exodus 32:33 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

(anyone who sins once)


Revelation 3:5
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”

_____________

overcome?

1 John 5:4 - KJV
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

And what is it that overcomes.....Notice it does not say our works, our religion, our church membership, etc.....BUT RATHER---------------> OUR FAITH!

 

[dcontroversal]

i havent seen one verse that talks of a one of GODS children being forsaken and not saved

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Nor will you.....the promises of Jesus stand sure and verb tense, scripture in context and the very words inspired prove eternal security for a believer.....

 

[joefizz]

Is there anyone on this thread who says that grace is a license to sin? Do you assume that people on this thread who disagrees with you are using grace as an excuse to sin?

"Is probably NOT born again"

Interesting. Please expand.

Good ol Bill g always looking for incite yet making a point at the same time,wait maybe this is how I can discern between you and Bill laish lol!

 

[dcontroversal]

No, it is just another lie that is told, while they admit they still sin, but that if others sin, it is evidence/proof that the others are not saved. The hypocrisy is so thick, it can be cut with a knife Aboriginals would call it speaking with a forked tongue Reminds me of the serpent [SUB][SUP]
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Hahaha yes indeed......as well as Native Americans........reminds me of the serpent in the garden...he had a forked tongue and he embellished to word of another as well.....

 

[Magenta]

Hahaha yes indeed......as well as Native Americans........reminds me of the serpent in the garden...he had a forked tongue and he embellished to word of another as well.....

That was exactly my point