GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[gb9]

buuusssted!! liar@!!!!!!!! lol

ok sure

we muct do His will, I can not say who or who ewill not enter for this or that Commandement.

can someone commit adultery and repent and be saveddddddddd, I beleive so, can I make jusgement on any sepcif case? No I can not I am not the juge.

bbbbuuuusssttteeeedddd !!! LLLIIIIAAARRR!!! LOL you be funny Mr. Accuser!

whatever. you made a big deal out of me saying that you believe keeping the Sabbath is part of salvation, accused me of bearing false witness. laugh at me, that is fine. I did exactly what I said I would do, and you did exactly what I said you would do.

and, by the way, command keeping saves no one. belief in the Lord Jesus Christ does. and before you say " Jesus said if you love me, keep my Commands, " ( he did) he was not talking about the Law of Moses, the mount of transfiguration had not happened yet>

 

[Shamah]

whatever. you made a big deal out of me saying that you believe keeping the Sabbath is part of salvation, accused me of bearing false witness. laugh at me, that is fine. I did exactly what I said I would do, and you did exactly what I said you would do.

and, by the way, command keeping saves no one. belief in the Lord Jesus Christ does. and before you say " Jesus said if you love me, keep my Commands, " ( he did) he was not talking about the Law of Moses, the mount of transfiguration had not happened yet>

If you can quote where I said one command or even only commands equal salvation then do it and I will repent, if you can not then it was a flase accusation.

no one particualr command saves. YHWH saves, it takes belief and doing His will.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”



Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”


John 8:24, “Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”


Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

 

[posthuman]

I don't think you understand what "keeping a day holy" is. It means set apart to YHWH;

In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them.
(Zechariah 14:20-21)
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how much of me is crucified with Christ?

[SUP]1[/SUP]/[SUB]7[SUP]th[/SUP][/SUB] ?

but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
(1 Corinthians 6:11)
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[posthuman]

"From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me" says the LORD.
(Isaiah 66:23)
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from one new moon to the next -- that's every day









((where are all the "we must keep New Moon festival" threads??))

 

[Shamah]

"From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me" says the LORD.
(Isaiah 66:23)
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from one new moon to the next -- that's every day









((where are all the "we must keep New Moon festival" threads??))

Yep the Sabbaths will be kept in the new heavens and new earth. satan will be boun for 1,000 years the loosed and swiftly destroyed.

Isaiah 66:
יהוה. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith יהוה, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith יהוה. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

 

[Ariel82]

Am I accused of "words on a page" because I know what is written, would I better sek Yah by not knowing His word? It a lose lose huh?

Yeah if you knew me, you would have never made the accusations you did to me before. I am living proof His Law is written on my heart, HIS LAW not a made up one. I use the word to test and make sure I am on the narropw path.



By seeking Him in all ways. Prayer, belief, works, understanding, and doing His will, etc etc etc.



To set aside the 7th day for His will ONLY, not my own but His will ONLY. I am not perfect and I do error at times, but when I ahve done this I fell His presence strongly.



By doing His will, however there is only one day He has set apart as holy. Has a single person ever done YHWH will every second of every day and never worked a regular job or mowed their own lawn? Anyone that says they only do His will ONLY every day is not truthful, we can pray, worshipo and do His will every day, but not all day every day. People have to work regular jobs to pay for food and shelter.

work 6 days and the 7th is set apart to YHWH, for it is YHWH who SANCTIFIES.

You see I know the Bible says some worship the Sabbath one day some honor every day the same and God is okay with both types of people.

I know you seek to do God's will and you are right I don't know you. The questions were seeking a genuine answer and real life examples.

Some people claim to do God's will but will past a beggar on the street to invite the man in the Armani suit to their services.
.I do NOT believe you are one of thOSE People.

Just to be clear, but people need for us to testify how to love and holy lives.

If someone were to ask you how do I keep the Sabbath holy, what would you tell them?

Give them 763 laws?

or just the Two commandments that Jesus gave us: love God and love other?

Going to worship service on Sat or Sunday does not mean a person keeps God's Sabbath or guarantees a place for them in Heaven because God looks at the inward heart not the outward actions.

 

[Shamah]

In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them.
(Zechariah 14:20-21)
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how much of me is crucified with Christ?

[SUP]1[/SUP]/[SUB]7[SUP]th[/SUP][/SUB] ?

but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
(1 Corinthians 6:11)
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Zecharyah is post His second return.

and if you say honoring the Sabbath is only 1/7th sanctified, then you can never do anything of your own will every day, you can never work for your own gain you can never watch a movie you can never mow the lawn. Unless work 6 days and set apart the 7th day to YHWH.... Walk in His ways every day is not the same as 100% set apart for His will, nice to try to blur the lines tho.

keepinmg sabbath 7th day does not mean one has to go against Yah the other 6, it means that we have 6 days to work for our rent and pay for our food and the 7th day is not for anything of our will but 100% of His will.

So tell me are yoiu set apart every day? Do you work a regular job and watch a movie and go for a jog and play with you dog? Thoise things are not sin but they are also not the set apart holy work of YHWH.

 

[Ariel82]

Comforting a dying person is not the same as me sitting on my couch with a bag of chips on my shirt watching baseball or something.

you are playing a shell game, taking something I said, altering it and say ohhh boyyy!

come on really?

so are those two the same? comforting a dying person and sitting at home watching sports?

and calling it set apart to YHWH?

You don't know the full story of someone life and condemning them for sitting on the couch is NoT LOVE,

What if that person is depressed?

What if they just lost a loved one and the only way they feel close is to remember the times as friends they watched the game?

My point is that you should not be so legalistic on your view of the Sabbath.

Where is your Bible verse condemning people for watching football on the Sabbath?

The Pharisees had scripture condemning picking up sticks or food on the Sabbath. Yet what did Jesus say?

Why does He say it's better to have MERCY THAN SACRIFICE?

 

[Ariel82]

I believe it is God's will to enjoy His blessings and give thanks.

As we grow in Christ our desires become more holy because our hearts are transformed into His image and His will.

When we walk in the Spirit,then we fear no evil and none can judge us if we are servants of God but our Master.

 

[posthuman]

Yep the Sabbaths will be kept in the new heavens and new earth. satan will be boun for 1,000 years the loosed and swiftly destroyed.

if that's what you get from Isaiah 66:23 then you equally get that New Moon festivals will be kept.

so i ask again -- where is the thread where all believers are threatened with hell and condemnation for not keeping New Moon festival?

the moon was set in the sky "for appointed times" on the 4th day. 4 comes before 7. you cannot count days without the light that determines days.

why is no one instructing me about keeping New Moon? am i not in danger of damnation for it? or am i looking at hypocrisy?

​And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years"
(Genesis 1:14)
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moed: appointed time, place, or meeting​

Original Word: מוֹעֵד

Paul says do not let anyone judge you over new moon festivals or sabbaths.
if this thread is about judging one another over sabbaths, why aren't we judging one another over new moon festivals too? the sabbath is determined by the new moon in Exodus 16. its day is counted from the beginning of the month, which is the new moon. how do you have one and not the other?

damn me for both or do not damn me at all - yet no one here even knows if i honor any day, or how i do! "who is it that condemns?"

 

[posthuman]

The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it,
for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
(Revelation 21:23)
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will the Lamb rise and set, so we can mark days there?
will His glory alternately shine and be obscured?
will we honor Him only 6/7[SUP]ths[/SUP] of eternity?
or then will we finally enter the true rest?

 

[Shamah]

You see I know the Bible says some worship the Sabbath one day some honor every day the same and God is okay with both types of people.

Well YHWH said the 7th ay is set apart and the Feast days are set apart He never said any other days are and never said those days were not. Did you know:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh Hashanna and more. when they left Babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and Rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year from the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] month, this is clearly a “commandments and ordinances of men”. The calendar YHWH created is YHWH's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth, thus it is calculated by the heavens, the moon in this case. Our current calendar is the Gregorian calendar, which is an updated version of the Babylonian calendar. YHWH said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis/Pharisees/Etc." Since the Pharisees/"Rabbis" made up their own, times/ways to keep their own made up "feast days", if you did not submit to the Pharisees they would seek to have you brought to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring their non-Scriptural days based in man’s tradition. The Talmud tells a story of Zacharyah, father of John the baptist, and OT prophet, disagreeing and wanting to follow YHWH Feast Days according to the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees told him, on threat of death, to appear in public on a Scriptural Feast Day in a way that the man can not honor YHWH as prescribed in the Scriptures, thus commanding him to disobey YHWH. They killed him for seeking to honor YHWH, His way and not their man made religious tradition. Yahshua spoke of this, but many have no clue of the history behind it;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:35, "so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Chronicles 24:20-21, "Then the Spirit of the Most High came upon Zeḵaryah son of Yehoyaḏa the priest, who stood above the people, and said to them, “Thus said the Most High, ‘Why are you transgressing the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and do not prosper? Because you have forsaken [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], He has forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and at the command of the sovereign they stoned him with stones in the courtyard of the House of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]

To use Paul to trivialize the Sabbath or feasts is error IMO:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Again are these Feast days “according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah?” or are they 100% founded in Scripture created by YHWH and 100% about the works of the Messiah?

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever[/FONT]


7th day looks toward the 1,000 year reign and then eternal kingdom.

I know you seek to do God's will and you are right I don't know you. The questions were seeking a genuine answer and real life examples.

Fair enough, I just ask that if anything is said about me evidence of hwat I said wring is given with the rebuke so I may be corrected, if that can not be done I see it as false witness.

Some people claim to do God's will but will past a beggar on the street to invite the man in the Armani suit to their services.
.I do NOT believe you are one of thOSE People.

I get you on that, I am not perfect in everything, also if someone is a drug addict I dont beleive in giving them money, they need help but not money to spend on drugs, but rather need a drug program and clean living situation. A homeless mother I would help with money and if I could permanent help.

Just to be clear, but people need for us to testify how to love and holy lives.

I beleive people promoting good works are right, on here I dont like saying I did this or that, because popel will accuse bragging. I simply beleive we should p[romote what is right.

If someone were to ask you how do I keep the Sabbath holy, what would you tell them?

Give them 763 laws?

or just the Two commandments that Jesus gave us: love God and love other?

i wouls give them a Isaiah 58 type answer, tell them what the pharisees made it and how that is not the intent og YHWH's Sabbath. Simply it is for doing the will of Yah and not doing ones won will and calling it His will.

Going to worship service on Sat or Sunday does not mean a person keeps God's Sabbath or guarantees a place for them in Heaven because God looks at the inward heart not the outward actions.

I dont see the Sabbath as a "worship service" issuse, a worship service can be attended every ay of the week. I see the Sabbath as a set apart time for Yah's work ONLY, we can and should o things in Yah's will every day and time we are able, but setting aside His set apart time for ONLY His will is set in sapphire stine, and on my heart, again His way His way His way. With that said I am not perfect, thought I seek to grow in His guidance and ways more and more.

 

[posthuman]

Well YHWH said the 7th ay is set apart and the Feast days are set apart He never said any other days are and never said those days were not.

Also at your times of rejoicing — your appointed festivals and New Moon feasts — you are to sound the trumpets over your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, and they will be a memorial for you before your God. I am the Lord your God.
(Numbers 10:10)

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[posthuman]

I see the Sabbath as a set apart time for Yah's work ONLY

what is the problem with a man or woman who sets apart their entire life for Yah's work ONLY ?

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
(Galatians 2:20)​

this verse is in the midst of the apostle's argument that whoever is in Christ is not under Law and that subjecting yourself to Law is tantamount to rejecting the gospel. notice that he refers to his whole life, not a fraction of it.

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
(1 Corinthians 2:2)

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was this a whole-week long type of resolution or just 3 or 4 days out of a month?

 

[posthuman]

Zecharyah is post His second return.

and if you say honoring the Sabbath is only 1/7th sanctified, then you can never do anything of your own will every day, you can never work for your own gain you can never watch a movie you can never mow the lawn. Unless work 6 days and set apart the 7th day to YHWH.... Walk in His ways every day is not the same as 100% set apart for His will, nice to try to blur the lines tho.

keepinmg sabbath 7th day does not mean one has to go against Yah the other 6, it means that we have 6 days to work for our rent and pay for our food and the 7th day is not for anything of our will but 100% of His will.

So tell me are yoiu set apart every day? Do you work a regular job and watch a movie and go for a jog and play with you dog? Thoise things are not sin but they are also not the set apart holy work of YHWH.

is it impossible to obey these commands:

And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
(Colossians 3:17)

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord
(Colossians 3:23)
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you have a dog?
do you walk him on thursday, but not on saturday, because you think caring for him is not the Lord's work?

The righteous care for the needs of their animals
(Proverbs 12:10) ​

do you have a family? do you consider providing for them to be a profane thing?

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
(1 Timothy 5:8) ​

so if your animal or your sister falls in a pit, will you not help them out if it's saturday? or if they fall on tuesday, will you wait till saturday?

"walk in His ways" -- that's not setting your ways down, ceasing from your own labor, and doing His?

the problem Hiz is that the sabbath is a sign given to Israel. Israel itself was also chosen and set apart as a people, and they weren't a 'set apart people' only 6 days out of every 7. the reality is not confined to time; the sign is, and the sign is to make Israel know that it is the LORD who sanctifies ((sets apart)) them, not themselves.

 

[Shamah]

what is the problem with a man or woman who sets apart their entire life for Yah's work ONLY ?

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
(Galatians 2:20)​

this verse is in the midst of the apostle's argument that whoever is in Christ is not under Law and that subjecting yourself to Law is tantamount to rejecting the gospel. notice that he refers to his whole life, not a fraction of it.

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
(1 Corinthians 2:2)

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was this a whole-week long type of resolution or just 3 or 4 days out of a month?

ONe acting like a Sabbath keeper is rejecting YHWH 6 days and aceepting one day is false, I anm not saying you are saying this but I want to be clear. ANy in Messiah are going to seek His will every day. This does not mean every day is set apart.

Can someone set apart every day? Is it even possible?

If someone works a regular job the time they are working is not set apart to YHWH, unless they were putting every penny into YHWH's work. That would leave not money for rent and food.

Doing the landury and dishes are not sin but they are also not he work of YHWH, can someone go their entire life and never do the laundry or fix the dryer when it greaks down?

DO we trivialize what set apart to Yah is and dowhatever we want and call it set apart?

These are all valid questions if we are being honest about what set apart is and setting apart to YHWH in truth.

I find honoring the 7th day Sabbath centers me and focuses me on YHWH and His will more than any other thing I have done, when the Sabath is over, when I have honoered it right, I want to continus in His will and focus on Him, yes I do have to go back to work, but this honoring the 7th day is what really began me in setting apart my life to Him in a way that I did not give in to worldly things nearly as much. YHWH said the 7th day is set apart not me, He said it is a Holy Convocation where His Spirit will guide. If YHWH calls me and tells me to meet Him at a certian time I want to meet Him.

Finally is knowing nothing but the Messiah an Him crucified, does this include what the Messiah taught? Or just that He was sacrificed and raised?

 

[Shamah]

is it impossible to obey these commands:

And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
(Colossians 3:17)

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord
(Colossians 3:23)
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So the thing here. I have heard people thake this verse to litearlly say Im watching TV to the Lord today. and these were peoiple who were not living a life heavy laden with sin but truly seeking. So where do we go with this verse? That we should o all things inside His will? Or that we do waht we want and say it's to Him?

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you have a dog?
do you walk him on thursday, but not on saturday, because you think caring for him is not the Lord's work?

The righteous care for the needs of their animals
(Proverbs 12:10)
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do you have a family? do you consider providing for them to be a profane thing?

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
(1 Timothy 5:8) ​

so if your animal or your sister falls in a pit, will you not help them out if it's saturday? or if they fall on tuesday, will you wait till saturday?

"walk in His ways" -- that's not setting your ways down, ceasing from your own labor, and doing His?

See this is where you measure unevenly IMO, the purpose of the Sabath is to do righteousness and love. It is His labor. If one is working at a homeless shelter on the Sabbath this is the very intent, if one is working on their video game playing skills this is not the intent of the Sabbath. YHWH knows the heart.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”[/FONT]

The question is are we really seeking His will or are we seeking ways to avoid it and act like we are seeking His will.

the problem Hiz is that the sabbath is a sign given to Israel. Israel itself was also chosen and set apart as a people, and they weren't a '

set apart people' only 6 days out of every 7. the reality is not confined to time; the sign is, and the sign is to make Israel know that it is the LORD who sanctifies ((sets apart)) them, not themselves.

Those in Messiah ARE ISRAYL:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”[/FONT]

Also Scripture says it is for Gentiles too, and I ahve shown you this many times.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."[/FONT]

 

[MarcR]

Shamah,

The controversy on this thread has never been about observing a seventh day Sabbath.

I do that myself and don't take any flack over it.

The controversy is about telling others that observance of the seventh day Sabbath is required of Jesus' faithful.

The truth is that it plainly and simply is NOT!

 

[Shamah]

Shamah,

The controversy on this thread has never been about observing a seventh day Sabbath.

I do that myself and don't take any flack over it.

The controversy is about telling others that observance of the seventh day Sabbath is required of Jesus' faithful.

The truth is that it plainly and simply is NOT!

Are any Commandmets required to be a follower of Yahshua?

 

[MarcR]

EVERYTHING that Jesus instructed His disciples (not the general public or the religious leaders) is required.

However we do not need to catalog those instructions and attempt to obey them.

Phil 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV

We believers need only get out of the way and let it happen.