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eternally-gratefull said:
I have to disagree here, If they are coming back in this way, when the owners of this site have banned them,. They are in sin, I would not want to enable their sin, They should have to wait until their ban expires like everyone else has. There are reasons they got banned. Both were pretty severe reasons. Sin has consequences, we should not try to remove the consequences.
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That`s what I thought to be honest...People coming back who do not admit who they are, if they are who people assume they were, then that is coming back with deceit, under false pretence, but no one can be 100 % sure that they are not past members, but the light will always shine on the darkness...xox...
 
justpassinthrough said:
Did Jesus come to save that which was lost?

If one of His sheep becomes lost, then they have become as sinners in need of repentance.

Its that simple.


4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:4-7


Lost = Sinner who is need of repentance; dead to God, in need of salvation, reconciliation to God.

Found = Someone is is reconciled to God; saved.



  • Lost Sheep:
I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:7


  • Lost Coin:
Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
Luke 15:10



  • Prodigal Son
It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’” Luke 15:32



This foundational truth can not be changed by quoting other scriptures.




JPT
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Isny said:
Hominy grits. The best part of the breakfast here in the South. The word was just misspelled. lol
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The best part? Not on my plate. :)
 
As Luther could not bring Paul and James to fit, he wanted to light his stove with the book of James, this is one of the main reasons why this thread is ongoing. Trying to make Paul and James the same has been an argument for ages. Faith, works, etc...
 
Wow, a lot occurred while I was visiting playgrounds. Peter is johnthebaptist found out. I thought I was good but Locutus, you took the cake! Er...wait, no can't say that.

Good job!
 
John146 said:
As Luther could not bring Paul and James to fit, this is one of the main reasons why this thread is ongoing. Trying to make Paul and James the same has been an argument for ages. Faith, works, etc...
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Truthfully i cant either. If this is the same James that Paul argued with. When I saw that in Acts, my quoting from James went out the door.

Am thinking of doing the book in a word study. I want to know what EG saw.

Guess i will.
 
Rosemaryx said:
Did Abraham ( when his name was Abram) put his faith in God when God told him to go to another land, I mean that surely is his faith showing, leaving all that he knew and not having a clue of where he was going, yet he put his whole trust/faith in God...

Genesis 12:1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Go from your country, your people and your father's household to the land I will show you...xox...
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Yes, Abram put his trust/faith in God by leaving all that he knew and not having a clue where he was going, yet that is not the end of the story or the point where Abraham's faith was accounted to him for righteousness.

In Genesis 15:5, we read - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
 
Ralph- said:
....all by himself. Read what he wrote.
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Imagine: "Ralph-" wanting people to read and comprehend what others say and then to respond with acknowledgment and acceptance of the things stated.

Yet, all the while "Ralph-" refuses to concede to and acknowledge what others have said, when they've stated it over and over and over. All this disingenuous wrangling on the part of "Ralph-" in order to continue his false accusations to ad nauseam.

How sanctimonious of "Ralph-." :D

For the record, I read what MMD stated, my response was to concisely agree in part. But, we still don't agree altogether, because faith is obtained, not innate, which is biblical. Thus again; "No lost man can "choose to believe." It has more to it than just the drawing of God. God gets all the glory, not part of or the majority of. It is all of him, including faith.

Soli Deo Gloria!
 
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stonesoffire said:
Truthfully i cant either. If this is the same James that Paul argued with. When I saw that in Acts, my quoting from James went out the door.

Am thinking of doing the book in a word study. I want to know what EG saw.

Guess i will.
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I’d be careful with that. I don’t really think it would be wise to try to discount or discredit the book of James because we think the author was in disagreement with Paul at one time.

I mean, because obviously the book of James is in the Bible. My concern is that if we start discrediting one part of the Bible because we don’t think it fits, or for whatever reason… then where would that end? Some people would cut it all to pieces and throw anything and everything they didn’t understand or like out of it.

BTW… I’m not really clear on what you are saying exactly, so honestly, I’m not trying to be rude or anything. Just saying that I myself would feel very uneasy with discounting or discrediting anything in the Bible.
 
stonesoffire said:
Truthfully i cant either. If this is the same James that Paul argued with. When I saw that in Acts, my quoting from James went out the door.

Am thinking of doing the book in a word study. I want to know what EG saw.

Guess i will.
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what I saw what? Not sure what you mean sis.
 
mailmandan said:
Yes, Abram put his trust/faith in God by leaving all that he knew and not having a clue where he was going, yet that is not the end of the story or the point where Abraham's faith was accounted to him for righteousness.

In Genesis 15:5, we read - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
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But Abraham was not justified until he demonstrated his works. Paul uses Abraham as a type. He's not identical to what we enjoy today in Christ.
 
1ofthem said:
I’d be careful with that. I don’t really think it would be wise to try to discount or discredit the book of James because we think the author was in disagreement with Paul at one time.

I mean, because obviously the book of James is in the Bible. My concern is that if we start discrediting one part of the Bible because we don’t think it fits, or for whatever reason… then where would that end? Some people would cut it all to pieces and throw anything and everything they didn’t understand or like out of it.

BTW… I’m not really clear on what you are saying exactly, so honestly, I’m not trying to be rude or anything. Just saying that I myself would feel very uneasy with discounting or discrediting anything in the Bible.
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Not discredit, but rightly divide according to audience to whom God is directing. There are three audiences in Scripture: Jew, Gentile, and the Church
 
John146 said:
But Abraham was not justified until he demonstrated his works. Paul uses Abraham as a type. He's not identical to what we enjoy today in Christ.
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Abraham was justified before he did one work. Paul makes this clear in Romans 4. And it is seen in Genesis.
 
John146 said:
Not discredit, but rightly divide according to audience to whom God is directing. There are three audiences in Scripture: Jew, Gentile, and the Church
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The difference between Paul and James is not jew or gentile. James wrote to Jews, Paul wrote to jew and gentile alike.

The issue was the type of Gospel they were fighting, Paul fought legalistic jews., James fought licentious jews.

The both said the same thing, if we take them in correct context
 
eternally-gratefull said:
what I saw what? Not sure what you mean sis.
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You said you didn't understand James until you studied it.

Well, truthfully I see a contradiction. And it's a fact that Paul and James had disagreements.

But, there are two James. James the just, and the brother of Jesus. So which wrote the book? Which did Paul disagree with?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
The difference between Paul and James is not jew or gentile. James wrote to Jews, Paul wrote to jew and gentile alike.

The issue was the type of Gospel they were fighting, Paul fought legalistic jews., James fought licentious jews.

The both said the same thing, if we take them in correct context
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yes...

well said eg
 
stonesoffire said:
You said you didn't understand James until you studied it.

Well, truthfully I see a contradiction. And it's a fact that Paul and James had disagreements.

But, there are two James. James the just, and the brother of Jesus. So which wrote the book? Which did Paul disagree with?
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There were many disagreements in the early church,
but Paul and James came to agree with one another :)
 
eternally-gratefull said:
The difference between Paul and James is not jew or gentile. James wrote to Jews, Paul wrote to jew and gentile alike.

The issue was the type of Gospel they were fighting, Paul fought legalistic jews., James fought licentious jews.

The both said the same thing, if we take them in correct context
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Ok, now I knew that Hebrews was to believing Jews and I can make sense of this, but never heard this about James written to the Jews. That's a brighter light....so will reread then with this in mind. Plus, word studies. They have never failed me.
 
preacher4truth said:
Imagine: "Ralph-" wanting people to read and comprehend what others say and then to respond with acknowledgment and acceptance of the things stated.

Yet, all the while "Ralph-" refuses to concede to and acknowledge what others have said, when they've stated it over and over and over. All this disingenuous wrangling on the part of "Ralph-" in order to continue his false accusations to ad nauseam.

How sanctimonious of "Ralph-." :D
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Are you only able to be nice to people you agree with? Even 'sinners' do that.

31“Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. Luke 6:31-32
 
Ralph- said:
Are you only able to be nice to people you agree with? Even 'sinners' do that.

31“Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. Luke 6:31-32
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Am lobbing the question back to you Ralph.
 
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