Not By Works
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here may be where the disconnect comes. All sin carries with it the death penalty, Every sin known to God is worthy of death.
This should be our starting point.
Sand no one here is saying disobedience is obsolete,. This ad hominiem, strawman,or whatever people want to call it is for true birds. And why people stop responding to such nonsense
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oh, c'mon. dead folk do stuff all the time.
Could you chose to do admit you wher wrong when you were dead?
Noah chose to build an ark, abraham chose to leave his country, while Jonah chose to say no to God, God put a road block so he still had to chose to say yes.
please lets do not get into another calvanist debate!!
lolzzzz...
I heard they're really really good at staying dead too.
All I know is God granted me faith, and every believer has obtained it in the same exact manner. Why people fight against this truth is beyond me. There is so much in Scripture that proves this and that salvation is not clinched by choice.
Anyhow I am out of here before this discussion swallows up my time and day with incessant denials of truth by way of tradition...
I heard they're really really good at staying dead too.
All I know is God granted me faith, and every believer has obtained it in the same exact manner. Why people fight against this truth is beyond me. There is so much in Scripture that proves this and that salvation is not clinched by choice.
Anyhow I am out of here before this discussion swallows up my time and day with incessant denials of truth by way of tradition...
I suppose it was all in His plan and I have no choice in the matter anyway . . . I wonder what it feels like to be a robot! LOL!
Remember, it is the work of God that a man believes; John 6:29. This work is up to God, not man; Matthew 11:25-30, and after his revealing himself to whom he wills, he invites them to come to him, and they do, every one. All we can do, as obedient unworthy servants, is preach the Word, his elect will believe; 2 Timothy 2:8-10.
I'm out of here for a while...try to study the Word brother, and pray, and meditate more than you stay on here contending with it against error. I'm guilty of this myself, there is so much to know and learn and share with family and church and my reading is behind!
Remember it is not our fault a person doesn't believe the truth on any level, even professing believers. That is God's place not ours, just be faithful and spend time with him.
I'm out of here for a while...try to study the Word brother, and pray, and meditate more than you stay on here contending with it against error. I'm guilty of this myself, there is so much to know and learn and share with family and church and my reading is behind!
Remember it is not our fault a person doesn't believe the truth on any level, even professing believers. That is God's place not ours, just be faithful and spend time with him.
Hmm... If your hand causes you to sin, if your eye causes you to sin, if your tongue causes you to sin, etc... You're supposed to cut them off. Have YOU followed those commands of Jesus? Why not!? Don't you love Him?
And remember, merely THINKING about lusting, or anger at your brother, or you name it IS SIN.
No. Unless YOUR righteousness EXCEEDS that of the Pharisees, who sincerely tried their darndest to follow the Law, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
THAT was the point of Matthew 5. Jesus lays out the type of heart that can receive Him with the beautitudes, then juxtaposed it with the heart that CAN'T accept Him because it is not humble, and believes THEIR works and obedience to the Law will save them.
And remember, merely THINKING about lusting, or anger at your brother, or you name it IS SIN.
No. Unless YOUR righteousness EXCEEDS that of the Pharisees, who sincerely tried their darndest to follow the Law, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
THAT was the point of Matthew 5. Jesus lays out the type of heart that can receive Him with the beautitudes, then juxtaposed it with the heart that CAN'T accept Him because it is not humble, and believes THEIR works and obedience to the Law will save them.
