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Oy, I remember when one of those banned people claimed that if anyone could be restored to faith, that it amounted to universalism, which completely overlooked the fact that not all come to faith to begin with, and yet, that person had people putting likes on his post as if he spoke truth. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge that people are blind, and show support for an another whether that other is right or wrong. And maybe they will put a like on another person's post just to stick it to you when you oppose such foolishness, because they have an axe to grind.
Seems so.
And I've been hung drawn and quartered for it.
Along with others I have dared to walk with.
Although if anyone cares to read my responses to people I disagree with I have tried to communicate with but rarely give a like.
Anyway what would this lily livered coward false teacher know anyway?
I'm obviously a self maytr who knows shit and am here to get likes and prove myself more righteous than others.
And having shared my hurt and pains of the past then those who fall foul of false doctrine I am pshyco analysing.
But hey we all have had problems in the past, all being the same consequences.
Because I walk with people and discuss with people. I am weak, endorsing false doctrine.
I never never ever endorsed false doctrine.
It seems to some I am an enemy because I'm a false teacher or endorse false teaching. That being the case please read the following
Matthew 5:44-48
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Incoming expected, do your best.
And I've been hung drawn and quartered for it.
Along with others I have dared to walk with.
Although if anyone cares to read my responses to people I disagree with I have tried to communicate with but rarely give a like.
Anyway what would this lily livered coward false teacher know anyway?
I'm obviously a self maytr who knows shit and am here to get likes and prove myself more righteous than others.
And having shared my hurt and pains of the past then those who fall foul of false doctrine I am pshyco analysing.
But hey we all have had problems in the past, all being the same consequences.
Because I walk with people and discuss with people. I am weak, endorsing false doctrine.
I never never ever endorsed false doctrine.
It seems to some I am an enemy because I'm a false teacher or endorse false teaching. That being the case please read the following
Matthew 5:44-48
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Incoming expected, do your best.
His false gospel didn't cause division? Wow. OK.
False gospels always cause division, such is Biblically proven, note Romans 16:17 as Paul stated it as such, it's divisive -- it's about the division caused by teaching AND behavior.
Take for instance the false gospel of LoveGodForever, it causes division. ALL false gospels do. The division it causes is witnessed in these threads.
PJ caused such division here with his false message.
Peter simply added name calling to it as well. I take more offense to his false Gospel than his name calling. You take more offense to the latter apparently.
False gospels always cause division, such is Biblically proven, note Romans 16:17 as Paul stated it as such, it's divisive -- it's about the division caused by teaching AND behavior.
Take for instance the false gospel of LoveGodForever, it causes division. ALL false gospels do. The division it causes is witnessed in these threads.
PJ caused such division here with his false message.
Peter simply added name calling to it as well. I take more offense to his false Gospel than his name calling. You take more offense to the latter apparently.
right. Temptation and falling for it just reveals what we are considering important that we treasure. Then we begin to seek the Lord for deliverance from it. This can be freeing to one who has problems and face it, we all do. That is freedom to overcome when we are secure, andvthere are little foxes that destroy the vine. Some do not deal with these.
If you throw law at this one, then one loses hope, and restoration is delayed. Make no mistake Ralph, God restores His own.
Mat 12:20
this iPad....grr...
Act 15:5 But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The gentiles must be circumcised and ordered to keep the Law of Moses."
Act 15:6 So the apostles and the elders met to look into this claim.
Act 15:7 After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and told them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 God, who knows everyone's heart, showed them he approved by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us.
Act 15:9 He made no distinction between them and us, because of their faith-cleansed hearts.
Act 15:10 So why do you test God by putting on the disciples' neck a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we could carry?
Act 15:11 We certainly believe that it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, the Messiah, that we are saved, just as they are."
If you throw law at this one, then one loses hope, and restoration is delayed. Make no mistake Ralph, God restores His own.
Mat 12:20
this iPad....grr...
Act 15:5 But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The gentiles must be circumcised and ordered to keep the Law of Moses."
Act 15:6 So the apostles and the elders met to look into this claim.
Act 15:7 After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and told them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 God, who knows everyone's heart, showed them he approved by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us.
Act 15:9 He made no distinction between them and us, because of their faith-cleansed hearts.
Act 15:10 So why do you test God by putting on the disciples' neck a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we could carry?
Act 15:11 We certainly believe that it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, the Messiah, that we are saved, just as they are."
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Yeah Thats part of the problem.
PJ and me had the most heated discussions of any two people on CC. I lost many friends because ofit. And it had nothing to do with his doctrine, Again, I can refute his doctrine, it was his slander of what I believed
it started where he made an op where he wrote all these points about why grace believers were wrong. I step by step tried to show him how his points about what I believe red were WRONG, Were MISUNDERSTOOD. Or maybe he was taught something, and tried to show him they were not true.
He got angry, Attacked me even harder. Started calling me all sort of stuff. In an attempt to take the focus off him and place it on me.
I did not react very nice, I went after him even harder. And AGAIN, I lost many friends because of it.
The same things is happening here, Is it really worth losing friends over a person who does what they do?
That is what is happening..
If your afraid of a false gospel changing your mind or keeping people from truth when people are easily giving a different view in a NON judgmental fashion. Well then you have some issues you need to take care of.
PJ and me had the most heated discussions of any two people on CC. I lost many friends because ofit. And it had nothing to do with his doctrine, Again, I can refute his doctrine, it was his slander of what I believed
it started where he made an op where he wrote all these points about why grace believers were wrong. I step by step tried to show him how his points about what I believe red were WRONG, Were MISUNDERSTOOD. Or maybe he was taught something, and tried to show him they were not true.
He got angry, Attacked me even harder. Started calling me all sort of stuff. In an attempt to take the focus off him and place it on me.
I did not react very nice, I went after him even harder. And AGAIN, I lost many friends because of it.
The same things is happening here, Is it really worth losing friends over a person who does what they do?
That is what is happening..
If your afraid of a false gospel changing your mind or keeping people from truth when people are easily giving a different view in a NON judgmental fashion. Well then you have some issues you need to take care of.
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Yes, You can aggressively hit the false gospel without attacking though. If you start to get out of hand, and brothers and sisters talk to you,. And you start blame shifting though, You have seriou issues.
if youy see someone doing that to others, and you defend them when others are trying to call them out./ Then you have issues.
This is what causes division in CC. People afraid to call others out. And people attacking others with lies and attacks based on things which are not true.
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That would be a great way, if it was just a doctrinal issue,
When it stops being a doctrinal issue, but becomes slanderous attacks, and lies about others, Then proving them wrong may be a start, but after awhile, if it continues, it is time to call them out, If they still continue, it is time to send them to the world. Continuing to defend them or talk nice to them will not help. That has been proven here many times over the last 3 years..
Just thought I'd pop in to see wut's happening only to see some badmouthing banned members & saying NNM hasn't changed.
Fer starters, if you miss those banned people that much, maybe you ought to quit getting them banned in the first place, lol!
Secondly, NNM has changed. What little time I've been here I've seen it.
He was more middle-of-the-road about grace & works, but he seems to be all free grace now.
It's nothing to argue about, though. Go back thru the thread, & you'll find he was heading that way from the beginning.
That's what popular people do when they stay in this thread. Popular people switch, & unpopular people get banned.
So, since I'm not popular, I'm just gonna drop my 2 cents & pop back out.
Fer starters, if you miss those banned people that much, maybe you ought to quit getting them banned in the first place, lol!
Secondly, NNM has changed. What little time I've been here I've seen it.
He was more middle-of-the-road about grace & works, but he seems to be all free grace now.
It's nothing to argue about, though. Go back thru the thread, & you'll find he was heading that way from the beginning.
That's what popular people do when they stay in this thread. Popular people switch, & unpopular people get banned.
So, since I'm not popular, I'm just gonna drop my 2 cents & pop back out.