Not By Works
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I don't see deception as being a root though Bill. I see this as the result of a lie. But, why believe the lie in the first place..
We see from scripture that inforgiveness can create bitterness. I would call this a strong man. And the strong man must be bound to throw out of the house. So what other roots would cause an effect leading to deception?
Am thinking about deliverance.
Making sense or not? I can take criticism
I would ask the same question to Dcon and EG, TT, and preacher, VCO too. Those men who are posting the most here, though not limiting. Anyone who knows about this.
We see from scripture that inforgiveness can create bitterness. I would call this a strong man. And the strong man must be bound to throw out of the house. So what other roots would cause an effect leading to deception?
Am thinking about deliverance.
Making sense or not? I can take criticism
I would ask the same question to Dcon and EG, TT, and preacher, VCO too. Those men who are posting the most here, though not limiting. Anyone who knows about this.
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heavens TT....never the thought to psychoanalyze anyone. Am more concerned about their final destiny and am thinking that there could be hope for some if a strong man is discovered and bound.
I would rather hear from the Lord for a specific case, but thought there may be more roots than just unforgiveness.
Clear as mud?
I think your post was harsh though that you posted to Bill.
Hes is not a Dcon. I appreciate Dcon and his solid rock stand, but Bill has a tender heart. That's a good thing. You seem to be a man of reason. I see good traits in all, but different.
I would rather hear from the Lord for a specific case, but thought there may be more roots than just unforgiveness.
Clear as mud?
I think your post was harsh though that you posted to Bill.
Hes is not a Dcon. I appreciate Dcon and his solid rock stand, but Bill has a tender heart. That's a good thing. You seem to be a man of reason. I see good traits in all, but different.
R
There you go again.....thinking that obedience as evidence of salvation is automatically having pride in good works and can't be anything else. You've got to open up your mind a little, UG.
Yes, 1 John is a good book to read and to learn that having works is how you have assurance of salvation-1 John 4:17-read it.
What you do is how you have the assurance of your calling and election.
That's why we start threads wondering if King Saul was saved. And why we don't start threads wondering if Daniel was saved.
For those of you who are convicted by this, consider Hanna who was barren and how she cried out to the Lord and He heard her and delivered her out of the shame of her barrenness giving her a child. He will do that for EVERYONE who cries out to him. He will birth the Christ child in the barren 'woman' who cries out to him. No need to beat up the messenger. Take it to God. He'll hear.
Yes, 1 John is a good book to read and to learn that having works is how you have assurance of salvation-1 John 4:17-read it.
What you do is how you have the assurance of your calling and election.
That's why we start threads wondering if King Saul was saved. And why we don't start threads wondering if Daniel was saved.
For those of you who are convicted by this, consider Hanna who was barren and how she cried out to the Lord and He heard her and delivered her out of the shame of her barrenness giving her a child. He will do that for EVERYONE who cries out to him. He will birth the Christ child in the barren 'woman' who cries out to him. No need to beat up the messenger. Take it to God. He'll hear.
R
Well since you refute the message of grace (the entire new covenant) by this statement for fear of a license to sin,
you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.
Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]Not even remotely. Obedience is not trying to justify yourself. Obedience is the sign that you are saved.
I can't give you ears to hear. Only God can do that. I can only speak the words that are to be heard.
you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.
Good luck with that.
[/QUOTE]Not even remotely. Obedience is not trying to justify yourself. Obedience is the sign that you are saved. I can't give you ears to hear. Only God can do that. I can only speak the words that are to be heard.
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Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin
________
Galatians 3:6
“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
God bless you all
not by works....
but by the grace of God
despite the boasters claims
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin
________
Galatians 3:6
“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
God bless you all
not by works....
but by the grace of God
despite the boasters claims
R
And we know for whom this is applied to and true for by how they live. We know who is in covenant with God through Christ by how they live. That's not a boasting works gospel. That's what the Bible says.
You don't get right standing with God by doing work. You show you have it by what you do. The one who boasts of having right standing with God but who does not have the life to show it doesn't have right standing with God.
You don't get right standing with God by doing work. You show you have it by what you do. The one who boasts of having right standing with God but who does not have the life to show it doesn't have right standing with God.
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Preacher
I could say to you that you have been deceived too. You deny the baptism of Holy Spirit. That's what Bill was saying. We all believe we are saying the truth.
It could be depressing if one doesnt study for themselves and are assured of their belief.
This is how the winds of doctrines shake people.
I could say to you that you have been deceived too. You deny the baptism of Holy Spirit. That's what Bill was saying. We all believe we are saying the truth.
It could be depressing if one doesnt study for themselves and are assured of their belief.
This is how the winds of doctrines shake people.
U
So then, law keeping is a sign that you are saved. Okay got it.
Not even remotely. Obedience is not trying to justify yourself. Obedience is the sign that you are saved.
I can't give you ears to hear. Only God can do that. I can only speak the words that are to be heard.[/QUOTE]
Well since you refute the message of grace (the entire new covenant) by this statement for fear of a license to sin,
you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.
Good luck with that.
you are actually are promoting the doctrine/belief, very clearly, that it is law keeping that justifies a person.
Good luck with that.
I can't give you ears to hear. Only God can do that. I can only speak the words that are to be heard.[/QUOTE]
