Not By Works
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Impossible. Because the Bible says the person who has no works is not born again. Paul has to be talking about works of service, not works of obedience. The saved person who has no successful works of service in the building and field of God (the kingdom) will have no rewards. He himself will be saved, but he will have no reward for his work of planting and watering the crops in the kingdom of God. He's like the farm worker who has nothing to show for his labor in the fields, either because of sloth or because he did not do his work properly. The owner of the farm is not going to reward that kind of worker. Nor does he have any crops to be his reward for what he did in God's field.
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Do the rules specifically say that? CAn you copy and paste it here and spare me having to read the TOS?
What does it matter if she comes back? If she plays by the rules and can be strong enough to resist the relentless provocations to sin laid on her by those who opposed her who cares if she comes back? I don't. I'm sure there are lots of people who have come back here on both sides of the doctrinal fence. Who cares?
What does it matter if she comes back? If she plays by the rules and can be strong enough to resist the relentless provocations to sin laid on her by those who opposed her who cares if she comes back? I don't. I'm sure there are lots of people who have come back here on both sides of the doctrinal fence. Who cares?
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You misunderstand. You do not need works to be put into the family of God. You need works to show that has happened. Did you know the word justify means to be made righteous, and to be shown to be righteous? Paul's justification by faith apart from works is talking about being made righteous before God. No works required to do that. James's justification by works is talking about being SHOWN to be righteous before God. Don't feel bad, hardly anyone knows this. I learned it in another forum a few years back. Pass it along.
The person who can not show himself to have the righteousness of God by what he does does not have the righteousness of God. And it is irrelevant if they ever were righteous before God and lost it, or never had it to begin with. The fact remains that the person who can't show he has the righteousness of God in salvation doesn't have it. Whether he really had it or not to begin with doesn't change that truth.
The person who can not show himself to have the righteousness of God by what he does does not have the righteousness of God. And it is irrelevant if they ever were righteous before God and lost it, or never had it to begin with. The fact remains that the person who can't show he has the righteousness of God in salvation doesn't have it. Whether he really had it or not to begin with doesn't change that truth.
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Jesus explains this in Verse 37-39
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
I take that as meaning the unsaved. ?
Mathew 13
The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
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It sounds as if he means the weeds are a separate group of people. And the wheat are the saved?
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The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
So are Wheat & Weeds saved (gathered) & unsaved (burned)?
Or are they: saved and doing works (gathered) & merely saved (burned) ?
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
I take that as meaning the unsaved. ?
Mathew 13
The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
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It sounds as if he means the weeds are a separate group of people. And the wheat are the saved?
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The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
So are Wheat & Weeds saved (gathered) & unsaved (burned)?
Or are they: saved and doing works (gathered) & merely saved (burned) ?
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I believe He was talking to unbelievers, people called hearers of the word only. Making the fact that if you claim to have faith is it enough? Even demons believe,
We have to look at context. James was telling people to test their faith, Paul spoke to people adding works to faith. The peopl ejames spoke to had no works. Because they had no faith.