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How about, God's ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts? 
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize
with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been
tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.
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Because he himself suffered when he was tempted,
he is able to help those who are being tempted.
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize
with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been
tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.
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Because he himself suffered when he was tempted,
he is able to help those who are being tempted.
He was certainly angry in the temple and in conversation with some people, and He didn't hold back from expressing those emotions - and part of that frustration and indignation was from His humanity.
& the other side of this, is that He did not sin in any of these things. Blue could have been more precise and careful with her words, but i don't think she was accusing Christ of sin. She was saying that He knows every feeling and emotion that we know - what i think might be a better way to describe it, is that for instance He never looked at a woman with lust, but He knew the temptation of it, and He ((i would venture to assume)) was able to look at beauty and appreciate it for beauty, without that being tainted in the way that the flesh taints it for us. He overcame all these things we struggle in not by never experiencing them at all, but by reacting to testing with an absolutely perfect nature.
((but i really wasn't going to get into this lol))
You must have missed the statements "He probably did" "I'd bet He did" "I think He did" which may be a paraphrase of something like "Just my thoughts" etc in relation to sin issues, which fly directly in the face of what Scripture actually teaches about Jesus. Saying He probably lusted is just plain wrong and has nothing to do with Jesus' ability to have empathy for us. I do not think it is so much a semantics issue as it is an issue of just being flat out plain wrong in one's thinking and beliefs concerning what Jesus did or did not experience according to Scripture. Being double minded about it does not help anyone. If you wonder what I mean by that, I can clarify, for one cannot say they believe the Bible and then turn around and say I bet Jesus did things that are considered sin! Either Jesus was sinless, or He was not. I do not see any middle ground.
Amen! and thank you Preacher4truth for pointing out the returnees; (use-to-be's). Nobody likes rejection.
What does "hardsell mean by, "we are not" stirring up conflict, and Ripping the face off hypocrisy and the contradictions? "yes we are", who is "we" that he is referring to? -- very blunt accusatory remarks.
And how does hardsell know so many things about your likes and dislikes, it's as if he is talking to someone he already knows from before, a coincidence, I don't think so.
What does "hardsell mean by, "we are not" stirring up conflict, and Ripping the face off hypocrisy and the contradictions? "yes we are", who is "we" that he is referring to? -- very blunt accusatory remarks.
And how does hardsell know so many things about your likes and dislikes, it's as if he is talking to someone he already knows from before, a coincidence, I don't think so.
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New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 2:1-16 When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Wisdom From the Spirit We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him”— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
New International Version 1984 Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
New International Version 1984 John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
New International Version 1984 Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
New International Version 1984 John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
For the record i think Blue has a point, just that the right way to phrase it hasn't been easy to find. And i don't really want to get into it, further than that.
You would think that she was advocating that The Lord Jesus Christ was a sinner by some of the responses she has gotten.
How does one word that Jesus Christ was fully Human and had ALL the emotions and feelings of a true human and yet was without sin?
He knew of jealousy, but was never jealous. He knew of lust, but never lusted. He knew of covetousness, but never coveted. and so on.
I see what she is saying. He was fully human, so he understands all the 'junk' we deal with. The Lord Jesus Christ just didn't have the sin nature and dealt with all emotions perfectly and without sin.
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not me,I noticed she was talking on a perspective,like for example how I could from a lamens stand point talk on how Jesus to others was rather abrupt and rather unpredictable at times in the bible like how it looked like he ditched Mary and Joseph,but he was doing what he was supposed to do,serving God,Jesus is by far perhaps the most interesting "person"/"deity" in the bible because he did so many things that,"an ordinary person" "can't wrap their head around either at all or immediately" whether his,earthly father,mother,kindred or disciples or enemies,he always"grasped everyone's attention" him staying behind at twelve to go about his heavenly father's business is just one example of how,he is "confusing" to us and others,and why he is still someone we constantly speculate about,especially concerning "his last days in the flesh" we "would like to know" that's why we "fellowship" if anyone thinks they "know" all about Jesus,they are sorely mistaken,we cannot fathom all he did and many of his reasons and parables,but we can "strive to do what is right for him".
Everyone has a "personal view" on Jesus blue lady bug is no exception,why?
Because we are all different we wonder about different aspects everyday,we long to do right by Jesus to show that we appreciate all he did and so we "stay interested" in what we think and what we can learn about Jesus,I mean who wouldn't want to have a more in depth look into Jesus's life?
I wish myself that I could witness even just a portion of the events in the bible concerning him but I can't,speculation can be very bad of course but sometimes it can lead us to answers,because we start thinking "what happened" and "why",Jesus was and still is sinless but it doesn't hurt anyone to think on "what was it like for Jesus to be as a man yet still God"?
did he have ambitions?
Was he frightened before he was crucified?
I mean this our saviour and God we're talking about here whom came as a man yet still God,for all to have a hope of many things,it ought always to be lingering in our minds for it wasn't us that didn't anything to deserve all he did yet he still went forward for our sakes to do all that was prophesied in the law.
Everyone has a "personal view" on Jesus blue lady bug is no exception,why?
Because we are all different we wonder about different aspects everyday,we long to do right by Jesus to show that we appreciate all he did and so we "stay interested" in what we think and what we can learn about Jesus,I mean who wouldn't want to have a more in depth look into Jesus's life?
I wish myself that I could witness even just a portion of the events in the bible concerning him but I can't,speculation can be very bad of course but sometimes it can lead us to answers,because we start thinking "what happened" and "why",Jesus was and still is sinless but it doesn't hurt anyone to think on "what was it like for Jesus to be as a man yet still God"?
did he have ambitions?
Was he frightened before he was crucified?
I mean this our saviour and God we're talking about here whom came as a man yet still God,for all to have a hope of many things,it ought always to be lingering in our minds for it wasn't us that didn't anything to deserve all he did yet he still went forward for our sakes to do all that was prophesied in the law.
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I am unclear ....if I have never envied I would not know envy.
It is only because I have experienced the emotion of envy that I know what it is. I do not believe Jesus at any point was envious nor do I think he knew envy in himself, I do think because He knows our hearts he knows it from that perspective.
Jesus did not envy if He had he would have sinned.
It is only because I have experienced the emotion of envy that I know what it is. I do not believe Jesus at any point was envious nor do I think he knew envy in himself, I do think because He knows our hearts he knows it from that perspective.
Jesus did not envy if He had he would have sinned.
Blue didn’t say Jesus sinned. From what I can see she doesn’t see feeling the emotions of envy and lust as sinning.
Heres my thoughts: Scripture says He was tempted in every way but didn’t sin. Which means temptation isn’t sin. One could make the case temptations do include thoughts and emotions. But we choose whether to act in them which Jesus didn’t. Scripture also says be angry and sin not. Which tells us negative emotions by themselves aren’t always considered sin. I understand where you’re coming from Blue and I agree we need to identify with the human side of Jesus more. After all that’s one of the reasons He came as a human. So our high priest would identify with us. And us with Him.
Heres my thoughts: Scripture says He was tempted in every way but didn’t sin. Which means temptation isn’t sin. One could make the case temptations do include thoughts and emotions. But we choose whether to act in them which Jesus didn’t. Scripture also says be angry and sin not. Which tells us negative emotions by themselves aren’t always considered sin. I understand where you’re coming from Blue and I agree we need to identify with the human side of Jesus more. After all that’s one of the reasons He came as a human. So our high priest would identify with us. And us with Him.
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