Why do so many people think Paul was a false apostle?
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jaybird88
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Ok, remember, the real (earthly) Jesus said we must keep the Law of Moses. I myself stick with what the risen Jesus says: Salvation is by grace through faith.
Why would I take the time to do this when you've done that all on your own by posting your erroneous views and disbelief of both Scripture and the Gospel? I'll show this to be true next.
Why not just own yourself for your own ways????
I completely understood your erroneous doctrine and rejection of Paul's Gospel as though it is a different Gospel. You're aware there is only one Gospel, correct? And, if you're aware of this, you understand that if Paul's Gospel differs from that of Christ's, then Paul's Gospel is false.
You understand this, correct?
So, if you're following along, you understand that since you claim that Paul's differs, then you're calling Paul a heretic, false teacher without actually having to come out and say it.
You understand this too, correct?
You don't know what an insult is.
Hint: It is not exposing yours or anyone's error.
What is of note is that when you come against truth on here, you never deem yourself as making insults, but, when you're exposed you go ad hominem and vitriolic and call it an insult. LOL!!!!!!
All scripture is God breathed.No private interpretations as opinions of the apostles. Not one.
Much comes from men adding meaning to a word that simply means one sent with no other meaning added. All prophets are sent by God. It’s how beautiful are their feet not their mouths as to words. Twelve is simply a remnant of the hundreds of apostles (sent ones) set aside for a certain purpose to be used in parables..
But not all of scripture is “from the Lord” if by “the Lord” we mean the Lord Jesus in his earthly teaching—and it is Jesus as the Son of man seen that Paul has in mind when he speaks of “the Lord” in 1 Corinthians 7.
It does not mean God did not put his words on the mouth of one sent (an apostle) He was watching to make sure every word came as he inspired men
Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send (apostle)thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD. Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree. Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it. Jer 1:4
You could say as when Paul preached the word of God and God moved the noble Thessalonians His kingdom or priests to search the scriptures to see if they were the thoughts of God.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
The word "apostle" simply mean "sent one" nothing more and nothing less . It caries no authority of its own self.It could be used when sending someone to get groceries from the store, with a list coming from another.
Good night dear one in the assembly. Since you know all, there is no need for my continuing in this dark vein...
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7seasrekeyed
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You are correct that there are only Twelve apostles, but you are totally mistaken if you believe that Paul is not one of them. Do you even think it is even credible that the man who was specifically the apostle to the Gentiles, who traveled all over the Roman Empire establishing churches, and who wrote over half the New Testament, is excluded from the twelve? Judas was the Son of Perdition, and Matthias was simply his "fill-in" until Paul was sent forth by the Lord Jesus Himself.
As to Paul having met with the Risen Christ only briefly (as someone else has said) that too is incorrect. Paul was taught directly by the Lord and given revelations by the Holy Spirit.
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ...But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days...Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. (Gal 1:11-18;2:1,2).
From The Lord, see Mathew 22:30 and Mark 12:25
Jesus taught the Sadducees that at the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Given that Jesus was there in the beginning, the Alpha & Omega he must be the same before his death and after his death.
How was Abraham saved?
What did Jesus say saves when on earth?
John 6:29
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
John 16:7-9
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
it seems to me that faith always saved from Abraham to the end of time.
Since Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, Christians may not divide Christ into various segments of time. The same Lord who gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai walked on this earth as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was born "under the Law" which means that He not only kept the Law perfectly, but told the Jews that they could not violate the Law. But He also went BEYOND the letter of the Law to the spirit of the Law.
The Law remained in force until the day Christ died and cried out "IT IS FINISHED". What was finished? His perfect work of redemption by the offering up of Himself. But the Old Covenant was also finished on that day, and to confirm that God Himself tore the veil separating the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place. That was the day when the New Covenant went into effect.
While Jesus upheld the Law He never taught that anyone could be saved by keeping the Law. That is why He insisted that "the work of God" was to believe on Him.
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (John 6:28,29)
IOW there is no dichotomy between the Risen Christ and Jesus of Nazareth while He walked on the earth. And there is no dichotomy between the teachings of the apostles and the teachings of the Lord. That is a LIE which is deliberately promoted by those who hate the Gospel of Grace.
Originally Posted by Marcelo
Ok, remember, the real (earthly) Jesus said we must keep the Law of Moses. I myself stick with what the risen Jesus says: Salvation is by grace through faith.
There is only one Lord Jesus, but He taught two different messages: on earth He taught obedience to the Law of Moses, and after the cross He taught salvation by grace through faith.
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jaybird88
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Jesus commanded the 12 to go to all nations, and thats what they did.
Paul never met the living Jesus which is a requirement for Apostleship. Paul was trained by revelation, nothing wrong with that, but there many, many, many others trained by revelation as well.
Gal 1:11-24, please pay attention to the parts in bold.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased [SUP]16[/SUP]to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, [SUP]17 [/SUP]nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. [SUP]20 [/SUP](Now in what I am writing to you, I assure you before God that I am not lying.) [SUP]21 [/SUP]Then I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia. [SUP]22 [/SUP]I was still unknown by sight to the churches of Judea which were in Christ; [SUP]23 [/SUP]but only, they kept hearing, “He who once persecuted us is now preaching the faith which he once tried to destroy.” [SUP]24 [/SUP]And they were glorifying God because of me.
We can take it to the bank that while Paul was in Arabia for 3 years he was taught directly by Jesus himself.
Jesus of Nazareth taught His disciples to keep the Law. Paul (the risen Jesus' spokesman) said we are not under the Law. Which one do you follow?