When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect?

[Studyman]

Well then, please show us in scripture where it tells us that it is necessary for us to know the names of the days of the week. Isn't it more important that we believe that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, that he was buried and resurrected three days later. Or is it more important for you guys to keep going around in circles and arguing about Tue, Wed, thur and Fri?

It only matters to those who are interested in following the instructions of the One who died for them.

Mat. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

It matters because Jesus warns that "many" "Christians" will come and lie to us about God, about Salvation, about Him. He thought it is very important as He could have warned about anything, but chose instead to warn about self proclaimed "Christians" telling lies.

Now what kind of a servant would I be if I ignored what Jesus warned about and just believed any preacher who says he comes in Jesus name? And given that Jesus made several such warnings, if I choose to ignore them, then can I expect Him to grant me His gift anyway if I am persuaded to believe and preach the same lies about Him?

You see, there are some on this forum and around the world that believe what the Bible actually says is important. Especially given the examples we have that show what happens to folks that reject what God/Jesus says and creates their own religion.

2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.


I don't need "MORE" ungodliness, I'm in trouble as it is. And so it would be foolish for me to ignore His Instruction to study and know when He was resurrected. What HE created as Holy and what is not. What He says is acceptable behavior and what is not.

Why? Because He says so and I believe in Him.

 

[Studyman]

I do not think that if we do not understand what day Jesus resurrected will keep us out of heaven,for if that is the case I better get to learning all the Old Testament kings,and prophets,and all the genealogies,and every city in the Bible.Drat,and I thought is would be easier.

I wonder if God will give us a test when we get to heaven on how well we knew the Bible.Oh you do not know how long My beloved servant David ruled,be gone with you heathen.Oh you did not understand the end time with flawless accuracy,and understand all things pertaining thereof,bind him hand and foot and cast him in to outer darkness.

I am not trying to mock you,but being funny.Sorry if it is mockery,but Jesus said they could not dwell with Him,because they did not do the will of the Father,and were workers of iniquity,which the Bible says they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth,and it was their sins they were holding unto which was the reason.

It is way simpler than that. Man can not create their own Salvation. From the very beginning there was the Word of God, and the word of the serpent. We are to "choose" as did Eve, which Word we trust. Eve chose the serpent, Abraham chose the Word of God. You know the rest.

Jesus gave us the Bible so we would be able to know the difference between the word of the serpent and the Word of God and make our choice. Those who choose Him (Life) He will join with and help. Those who choose any other (death) are left to their own devises.

Knowing how long David ruled is knowledge in our Lord, but not as important as what Jesus created as Holy and what is not Holy. What He said not to do and what He said was OK. Why we need repentance and what repentance is. How to love and how to hate, etc.

You are a sharp guy, I know you understand.

 

[beta]

I do not think that if we do not understand what day Jesus resurrected will keep us out of heaven,for if that is the case I better get to learning all the Old Testament kings,and prophets,and all the genealogies,and every city in the Bible.Drat,and I thought is would be easier.

I wonder if God will give us a test when we get to heaven on how well we knew the Bible.Oh you do not know how long My beloved servant David ruled,be gone with you heathen.Oh you did not understand the end time with flawless accuracy,and understand all things pertaining thereof,bind him hand and foot and cast him in to outer darkness.

I am not trying to mock you,but being funny.Sorry if it is mockery,but Jesus said they could not dwell with Him,because they did not do the will of the Father,and were workers of iniquity,which the Bible says they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth,and it was their sins they were holding unto which was the reason.

IF the exact time of Yashua/Jesus' burial and resurrection does not matter HOW will we RECOGNISE HIM from among other Jesuses who are presented to us and LOOK the same ?
HIS OWN prediction is what will SHOW the true Jesus for it points us to a SABBATH-resurrection which none of the others do and this will help us to stay on the right path !
Look at christianity and see the utter confusion that their false sunday-resurrected jesus is causing !!!
Do you think that 'doing away with God's Commandments or tearing them apart is going to get people into His Holy,Orderly and Lawful Kingdom ? No Sir...only agreement with HIS WILL and total Unity among ourselves will grant us entry.

 

[Endoscopy]

I start with the KJV and compare other Bible versions and look up the word history and definitions. Until I find the version that I feel is right for me.

But you are correct. Due to the fact that many words in the KJV have had meaning changes over the last 400 years, which can lead to misunderstanding of the scriptures and confusion.

Which version of the Bible do you use?

I have been using E-sword to help compare. I need to upgrade it as it will no longer let me download anymore Bible version.

I use the online biblegateway.com to select verses and then select different translations to compare. Every time I used downloaded versions with programs I had to keep reloading the software when updating to newer computers. Got tired of that and the fact that I was required to purchase the software again. It didn't allow transferring to a new computer.

 

[Endoscopy]

Because what is important Hizikyah, is that Jesus was crucified, buried and resurrection on the third day, just as he say he would. Therefore, why should the names of the days of the week matter? Our salvation is not based on knowing whether he was crucified Tue, Wed or Thur, or the name of the day of the week that he rose on, but that the Lord paid the penalty for our sins by the shedding of his blood and stood up again in his body on the third day.

By the shedding of his blood our sins have been paid for. And by his resurrection we have also have the hope of the resurrection.

The issue to me is that the Friday evening to the empty tomb on Sunday was a major problem with me for a long time. That was not 3 days and 3 nights. Understanding about the annual Sabbaths and the two annual Sabbaths of Passover made the 3 full days real. I know that most Christians have this problem. It caused a foolish way of saying that parts of 3 days counted contrary to the scripture of the example of Jonah being his sign.

 

[Endoscopy]

Addendum
The days of the week are mention in the Bible and the KJV is hard to figure out the issue. The NIV is much better making it clear it was an annual Sabbath not Saturday Sabbath.

 

[Hizikyah]

The issue to me is that the Friday evening to the empty tomb on Sunday was a major problem with me for a long time. That was not 3 days and 3 nights. Understanding about the annual Sabbaths and the two annual Sabbaths of Passover made the 3 full days real. I know that most Christians have this problem. It caused a foolish way of saying that parts of 3 days counted contrary to the scripture of the example of Jonah being his sign.

It takes some time, it took me a day or more of just studying what a day was according to Yah, the Creator of the day, as opposed to what a moden day or jewish day was. Once I firml;y understood what one of His days was I was able to go from there. To he who seeks...

 

[Endoscopy]

It takes some time, it took me a day or more of just studying what a day was according to Yah, the Creator of the day, as opposed to what a moden day or jewish day was. Once I firml;y understood what one of His days was I was able to go from there. To he who seeks...

The issue is that Jesus said the only sign of him being the Messiah was that of Jonah. As Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the big fish so he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. No studying about what the word day means is required. The text is completely self explanatory.

Mathew 12 NIV

The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.

 

[Hizikyah]

The issue is that Jesus said the only sign of him being the Messiah was that of Jonah. As Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the big fish so he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. No studying about what the word day means is required. The text is completely self explanatory.

Mathew 12 NIV

The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.

Possibly you misunerstood me, I grew up being told a day was 12 midnight to 12 midnight, I took me a bit of getting used to sundown to sundown. Other than that I agree, the sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights... No replicating that one, also it is clearly written.

 

[Endoscopy]

Possibly you misunerstood me, I grew up being told a day was 12 midnight to 12 midnight, I took me a bit of getting used to sundown to sundown. Other than that I agree, the sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights... No replicating that one, also it is clearly written.

You need to get a dictionary. There are many meanings for the word day.

Mirriam Webster
Definition of day

1a : the time of light between one night and the next

• the shortest day of the year

b : daylight 1

• woke up at the break of day

c : daytime

• sleeps during the day and works at night

2astronomy : the period of rotation of a planet (such as earth) or a moon on its axis

• the length of one day on Mars

3: the mean solar day of 24 hours beginning at midnight by mean time

• open seven days a week

• the first day of every month

• Take one pill two times a day.

4: a specified day or date

• their wedding day

• the day of her birth

5: a specified time or period : age

• in grandfather's day

—often used in plural

• the old days

• the days of sailing ships

6: the conflict or contention of the day

• played hard and won the day

7: the time established by usage or law for work, school, or business

• starts his day with a cup of coffee

• after a long day at school

• We have a busy day tomorrow.

 

[Hizikyah]

You need to get a dictionary. There are many meanings for the word day.

Mirriam Webster
Definition of day

1a : the time of light between one night and the next

• the shortest dayof the year

b : daylight 1

• woke up at the break of day

c : daytime

• sleeps during the day and works at night

2astronomy : the period of rotation of a planet (such as earth) or a moon on its axis

• the length of one day on Mars

3: the mean solar day of 24 hours beginning at midnight by mean time

• open seven days a week

• the first day of every month

• Take one pill two times a day.

4: a specified day or date

• their wedding day

• the day of her birth

5: a specified time or period : age

• in grandfather's day

—often used in plural

• the old days

• the days of sailing ships

6: the conflict or contention of the day

• played hard and won the day

7: the time established by usage or law for work, school, or business

• starts his day with a cup of coffee

• after a long day at school

• We have a busy day tomorrow.

No dictionary neeed when I am seeking what a day is to the Creator of all that is..Thus none of that applies here. the entire premise of this topis in association of a "day" one would have to go by the Creator's day, not a roman day or a jewish day, but the Creator's day... Yah's prophecy would go by Yah's day.

Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."

Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

 

[Endoscopy]

No dictionary neeed when I am seeking what a day is to the Creator of all that is..Thus none of that applies here. the entire premise of this topis in association of a "day" one would have to go by the Creator's day, not a roman day or a jewish day, but the Creator's day... Yah's prophecy would go by Yah's day.

Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."

Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings for you but since the Hebrew and Greek were translated into many languages including English the definition of the words apply in that language. You will find the English language translations use different definitions. Especially the daylight hours, 24 hours, a period of time, and more. Many prophecies use the phrase in that day.

Please don't try and put words in Jesus mouth he didn't speak when he used the word day to point to a future time!! You end up ranting idiocy like this post. You seem to let your ego get in the way.

Jesus said he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. Oops!!!

 

[Hizikyah]

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings for you but since the Hebrew and Greek were translated into many languages including English the definition of the words apply in that language. You will find the English language translations use different definitions. Especially the daylight hours, 24 hours, a period of time, and more. Many prophecies use the phrase in that day.

Please don't try and put words in Jesus mouth he didn't speak when he used the word day to point to a future time!! You end up ranting idiocy like this post.

Im not even sure we are talking about the same thing, here I will try again; no matter what language the Word is translated into what the Creator says is a day is the same.

 

[Endoscopy]

Im not even sure we are talking about the same thing, here I will try again; no matter what language the Word is translated into what the Creator says is a day is the same.

Explain why Jesus (the creator) said he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights? Oops!!! Jesus also used the term "in that day". Oops!!! Get to looking at the different usages of the word day.. Any usage we currently use the word day for in the English language can be found in the Bible. The job of a translator is to make the original language text to be understood in English. That includes all of the definitions of the word day!! Context informs us of the definition.

 

[Endoscopy]

Im not even sure we are talking about the same thing, here I will try again; no matter what language the Word is translated into what the Creator says is a day is the same.

Many times you have very insightful comments but you messed up with the word day. You looked at one usage in Genesis and tried to expand that to all usages of the word day. I just looked up the translation from Hebrew to day. It gets complicated and here is the reference for it.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/day/

 

[beta]

Im not even sure we are talking about the same thing, here I will try again; no matter what language the Word is translated into what the Creator says is a day is the same.

Don't let them shake you with their human wisdom...they will try and try...how foolish they are !!!
when it comes to traditional christians we are not even talking about the same Jesus. They don't know Yahshua...only their own imported pretender from Rome seeking to undermine TRUE Believers.

 

[garee]

Explain why Jesus (the creator) said he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights? Oops!!! Jesus also used the term "in that day". Oops!!! Get to looking at the different usages of the word day.. Any usage we currently use the word day for in the English language can be found in the Bible. The job of a translator is to make the original language text to be understood in English. That includes all of the definitions of the word day!! Context informs us of the definition.

The scriptures do not inform us Christ was "in the literal grave three days and three nights", that phrase was invented as a oral tradition of men

I would think a person would first of all study to find the spiritual meaning of the parable; “ three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”.

Three is a word used to represent the end of the matter throughout the scriptures.

Salvation is a living work of one who cannot die not in respect to things dead.(necromancy)

It cannot mean dead three days and nights, God cannot die. So it must be in respect to a living suffering called hell.

Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth is equal to the belly of a whale or hell, a living work of tribulation..

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Was Jonas dead in the belly of the whale(heart of the earth) ? Or was he like the Son of man in the garden (Thursday) where the actual living work began when Jesus Jesus cried out cried by reason of his affliction unto the Father, and he heard Him just as he heard Jonas,therefore strengthening him so he could finish the living work.

Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Jon 2:1

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luk 22:42

His sweat showed he was working pouring out His Spirit not seen ,Blood is used to represent the Spirit the essence of life sweat as if it was blood .The spiritual understanding must be sought out in the parable.

 

[Endoscopy]

Don't let them shake you with their human wisdom...they will try and try...how foolish they are !!!
when it comes to traditional christians we are not even talking about the same Jesus. They don't know Yahshua...only their own imported pretender from Rome seeking to undermine TRUE Believers.

ROTFL
Human wisdom is using the dictionary to find the meaning of the word day. How unique and enlightening to your viewpoint.

First the text of the Bible is in Hebrew and Greek.
I posted a link to the translation of the Hebrew word to the English word day.
It seems that the Hebrew word is just as complex with different meanings the English word has.
Pointing to the verses in Genesis as the true meaning of the word fails to understand the meaning of the word solely depends on the context the word is used in just like our English word.
Context is all important!!!
Failure to read and understand the site I posted on the Hebrew word is just putting on blinders.
Why do you so egotisticaly place your own definition of the Hebrew word for day above that of the Hebrew dictionary?

 

[Endoscopy]

The scriptures do not inform us Christ was "in the literal grave three days and three nights", that phrase was invented as a oral tradition of men

I would think a person would first of all study to find the spiritual meaning of the parable; “ three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”.

Three is a word used to represent the end of the matter throughout the scriptures.

Salvation is a living work of one who cannot die not in respect to things dead.(necromancy)

It cannot mean dead three days and nights, God cannot die. So it must be in respect to a living suffering called hell.

Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth is equal to the belly of a whale or hell, a living work of tribulation..

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Was Jonas dead in the belly of the whale(heart of the earth) ? Or was he like the Son of man in the garden (Thursday) where the actual living work began when Jesus Jesus cried out cried by reason of his affliction unto the Father, and he heard Him just as he heard Jonas,therefore strengthening him so he could finish the living work.

Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Jon 2:1

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luk 22:42

His sweat showed he was working pouring out His Spirit not seen ,Blood is used to represent the Spirit the essence of life sweat as if it was blood .The spiritual understanding must be sought out in the parable.

Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
You posted the verse in Matthew about Jesus saying the only sign of his being the Messiah and then try to deny it.
Jesus was wholly man.
Jesus was wholly God.
Denial of either of these statements is heresy.

The earthly body of Jesus was buried and remained buried for 3 days and 3 nights period. Just as Jesus prophesied about it being the sign.

Why are you trying to deny this. You seem to be using atheist logic instead of Christian understanding of scripture. Your first sentence is a giveaway about your belief system. Why are you doing this?

 

[FlyingDove]

Approximate Nisan 14 timeline:

Nisan 14 began at sundown. Jesus eats his last supper with his chosen 12 (7-9pm). They go the Garden of Gethsemane & Jesus prays (9pm -midnight) He is arrested (midnight) the Priests accuse, abuse & condemn Him (midnight-6am). Hes taken to Pilate questioned, abused, scourged & sentenced to death (6am til 8am). Nailed to the cross (9am) suffers and dies at (3pm) all on Nisan 14.

At 3pm on Nisan 14 Jesus Christ hears the Temple trump and in a loud voice. Proclaims: IT IS FINISHED! (MARK 15:25-37) and dies. What was finished? The redemption of a fallen mankind

Next, a great earthquake happens, Jesus passes through the Temple veil & it's torn in 1/2. (Matt 27:51) Old covenant levitical priesthood sacrifical system ends.

New Covenant begings and now, thru Faith in His payment. We can boldly go to the Throne of God. (Heb 4:16)

Preparation Day for Passover 30 AD

Julian day number: 1732110, Day of week: Wednesday, Gregorian calendar: 3 April, 30 AD, Jewish calendar: 14 Nisan 3790

Jesus dies 3pm on Thurs its still Nisan 14 (Passover). He's buried after sunset on Nisan 15. Spends night & day on Nisan 15, 16 & 17. Rises after sundown on the Sabbath and when Mary shows up a day break He's GONE!

A sinless Jesus redemptive sacrifical sin atonment, fulfilled the laws required payment/wage for sin, death (Rom 6:23).

Anyone that places their faith in the redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in the Death, Burial & Resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Receives a full pardon of "ALL" thier sins,