GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Jackson123

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Hello Brother Jackson, can you please tell me how this makes any sense at all?

Is the 4th commandment one of the 10 commandment ?

If the 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments then what you are saying above makes not sense.

The first four commandments are your duty of LOVE to God and the second six commandments are your duty of LOVE to your neighbor.
I am in the new commandment Love God and live neigbors. 4 th commandment is old covenant with Israel.
 

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Friend...it is YOU who still has an Old Covenant mentality ! WE sabbath-keepers are already in the NC which is BASED on LOVE....or you as a violater/sinner and lawbreaker would have been killed a long time ago !!!
But NOW you are shown love and mercy as you are being rehabilitated/regenerated instead of being killed !
Do you want to be killed or do you want to live ? then learn to live in gratitude to your Savior the Lord of the Sabbath for giving you this opportunity !!!
No friend, I am in the new covenant not keep sabbath law

if you keep sabbath law than kill the violator.

to me every day alike

romans 14

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 

Hizikyah

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I am in the new commandment Love God and live neigbors. 4 th commandment is old covenant with Israel.
Those in Messiah are Israyl:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."


Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.

The Sabbath is and was always for Hebrews and non-Hebrew Gentiles alike:



Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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Hizikyah

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Jackson what do you think about the Catholic Church?
 
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I am in the new commandment Love God and live neigbors. 4 th commandment is old covenant with Israel.
Hello Brother Jackson,

My friend this is so sad for you as what you have said is not true at all and is not in the bible. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten commandments and if you break it just like lying, stealing, murder, idolatory, using God's name in vain, coveting, committing Adultery or having other Gods then you are comitting SIN against God.

God's Word says those who SIN against God or their Neighbor do NOT KNOW God and to NOT LOVE God or do they have the HOLY Spirit and are in danger of receiving the Judgements of God if they do not repent of their SINS. Please read 1 John 2:-3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8. There are many more scriptures my friend.

Those who live in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sin is the transgression of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
 

Jackson123

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Those in Messiah are Israyl:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."


Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.

The Sabbath is and was always for Hebrews and non-Hebrew Gentiles alike:



Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Roman 14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 

Hizikyah

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I think catholic church work for Lucifer, because she promote New world order, pray to Mary and the death
OK, I was just checking if that was really you, as I remember what you used to say.
 

Hizikyah

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Roman 14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
The Creator of all that is does not view every day equal:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]


 

Jackson123

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Hello Brother Jackson,

My friend this is so sad for you as what you have said is not true at all and is not in the bible. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten commandments and if you break it just like lying, stealing, murder, idolatory, using God's name in vain, coveting, committing Adultery or having other Gods then you are comitting SIN against God.

God's Word says those who SIN against God or their Neighbor do NOT KNOW God and to NOT LOVE God or do they have the HOLY Spirit and are in danger of receiving the Judgements of God if they do not repent of their SINS. Please read 1 John 2:-3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8. There are many more scriptures my friend.

Those who live in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sin is the transgression of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

......................

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
stealing, killing are break new covenant

If you love your neigbors you not kill them
 

Jackson123

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The Creator of all that is does not view every day equal:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."


Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."


Paul is apostle of new covenant and that is what he say

just like old law say human authority must kill the sabbath violator, that is what the creater Said.
 
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yep If you follow Old covenant than murder must be kill by human authority not only sabbath violator, but I believe I am in the new commandment.
Hello Brother Jackson,

Now you just agreed with me earlier that if you are in the NEW Covenant then if you LOVE GOD you will not break God's commandments because God makes you free from SIN (breaking God's LAW) by LOVE ( a new Heart with God's LAW written on it). RIGHT? (Post # 2568 and Post # 2569 linked)

So if God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments why do you not LOVE God and obey his 4th commandment like do not kill, do not lie, do not steal, do not commit Adultery etc?

Your reasoning makes no sense good luck when God asks you on the day of Judgement why you break his 4th commandment when he tells you in James 2:8-12 that if you break one of God's commandments you break them all.

You say break the Sabbath kill the violator this will come true for you my friend because you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
 

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Paul is apostle of new covenant and that is what he say

just like old law say human authority must kill the sabbath violator, that is what the creater Said.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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Jackson123

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Hello Brother Jackson,

Now you just agreed with me earlier that if you are in the NEW Covenant then if you LOVE GOD you will not break God's commandments because God makes you free from SIN (breaking God's LAW) by LOVE ( a new Heart with God's LAW written on it). RIGHT? (Post # 2568 and Post # 2569 linked)

So if God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments why do you not LOVE God and obey his 4th commandment like do not kill, do not lie, do not steal, do not commit Adultery etc?

Your reasoning makes no sense good luck when God asks you on the day of Judgement why you break his 4th commandment when he tells you in James 2:8-12 that if you break one of God's commandments you break them all.

You say break the Sabbath kill the violator this will come true for you my friend because you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God.

.........................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
love God must do His Will, we are in the new covenant

so we do His guidance in the new covenant

this is one of his guide

Romans 14

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


If you esteemeth sabbath above another for the Lord, It fine, If I esteemeth every day alike for His glory, that is fine.
 
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love God must do His Will, we are in the new covenant

so we do His guidance in the new covenant

this is one of his guide

Romans 14

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


If you esteemeth sabbath above another for the Lord, It fine, If I esteemeth every day alike for His glory, that is fine.
Hello Jackson

Why do you think Romans 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment?

Where is God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath mentioned in Romans 14?

Did you know that Romans 14 does not even mention the Sabbath or the 4th commandment? In fact the whole book of Romans does not even mention the 4th commandment. Why do you think it is refering to God's 4th commandment when the 4th commandment is not even mentioned?

Romans 14 is in reference to the annual Jewish Festivals and fasting like Col and Eph. Gods 4th commandment is not even mentioned.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
 
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Jackson123

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Hello Jackson

Why do you think Romans 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment?

Where is God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath mentioned in Romans 14?

Did you know that Romans 14 does not even mention the Sabbath or the 4th commandment? In fact the whole book of Romans does not even mention the 4th commandment. Why do you think it is refering to God's 4th commandment when the 4th commandment is not even mentioned?

Romans 14 is in reference to the annual Jewish Festivals and fasting like Col and Eph. Gods 4th commandment is not even mentioned.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
esteemeth one day above other

sabbath keeper esteemeth saturday above other in the sense of worship and rest isn't It?

say do not Eat food with rich fat

it can mean do not Eat Red meat though that statement not mention about Red meat.
 
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esteemeth one day above other

sabbath keeper esteemeth saturday above other in the sense of worship and rest isn't It?

say do not Eat food with rich fat

it can mean do not Eat Red meat though that statement not mention about Red meat.
You are a funny one Jackson,

Where does it say in Romans 14 that is it talking about God's Sabbath the 4th commandment and not the annual feast days pointing to Jesus that were fulfilled at the cross?
 

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Are all things Lawful?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 10:23-33, “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."[/FONT]
 

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Hello Brother Jackson,

Yes this is correct if you LOVE God and your Neigbor you will be obedient to God's LAW because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW.

This is what we have been trying to share with you in the New Covenant it is God's LAW written on the heart to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who believe (Romans 13:8-10)....

Good post bro! It is GOD's word in our hearts so we can love.

HIS Word; HIS Divine utterances.

This is the circumcision made without hands. Christ in us the hope of Glory; GOD.

It is HIS Spirit. For we are the Temple of GOD and the Shekinah Glory; the Word; HIS divine utterance is in us as it was in the Temple in the Wilderness.

The Commandments in our hearts as they were in the Ark of the Covenant in the Temple. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God (the Body of Christ); Which House we are if we hold the beginning of our Confidence steadfast unto the end
(Heb 10:19-21;3:6)