Sabbath

[humbledbygrace25]

I agree with this in part. I believe that Christ truly is that rest, but that rest is found in following Him, and the example He left us. Did He keep the Sabbath? Yes! Notice Luke 4:16. Jesus left us an example of keeping the Sabbath, and the proper one! Also, He left us the example of self-sacrifice for others! Notice too however that resting in Christ means walking with Him. (Matthew 11:28-30)

[SIZE=+0]28[/SIZE] ¶Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SIZE=+0]29[/SIZE] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SIZE=+0]30[/SIZE] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Notice that He encourages us to take His yoke upon us. For that we walk side by side with him, and we walk as He walked So yes I believe that our Sabbath rest is truly found in Christ. Yet that rest is not outside of keeping His commands, for His very example tells us to keep them

 

[MattforJesus]

I agree with this in part. I believe that Christ truly is that rest, but that rest is found in following Him, and the example He left us. Did He keep the Sabbath? Yes! Notice Luke 4:16. Jesus left us an example of keeping the Sabbath, and the proper one! Also, He left us the example of self-sacrifice for others! Notice too however that resting in Christ means walking with Him. (Matthew 11:28-30)

[SIZE=+0]28[/SIZE] ¶Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SIZE=+0]29[/SIZE] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SIZE=+0]30[/SIZE] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Notice that He encourages us to take His yoke upon us. For that we walk side by side with him, and we walk as He walked So yes I believe that our Sabbath rest is truly found in Christ. Yet that rest is not outside of keeping His commands, for His very example tells us to keep them

Jesus kept the sabbath for it was still the Old Testament time,like He was baptized although He did not need it to fulfill all righteousness,for he had to fulfill the law by doing everything a man had to do to reconcile mankind to God,and being sinless He accomplished that,by being the perfect King,perfect High Priest,perfect sacrifice,perfect saint,perfect Prophet,and whatever else He had to fulfill.

But He has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth yet,which He will do in the millennial reign of Christ,and when He does then heaven and earth shall pass away.

Jesus man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Jesus took the physical ordinances,including the sabbath days,out of the way nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us,which means they had nothing to do with spiritual salvation,and could not provide it,so let no person judge you concerning those physical ordinances,for they were a shadow of things to come,but the body of Christ by the Spirit,which it is a spiritual sabbath,spiritual rest,by the Spirit.

Jesus said He went away to prepare a place for the saints,which is the new heaven,and new earth,and the saints are strangers passing through the land seeking a better place,and they celebrate the creation of the new heaven,and new earth.

And we do keep the ten commandments for they are laws of love towards God,and people,and any moral law,and law of love,which is what we follow in the New Testament,for love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[rstrats]

I've always wondered why the anti-law advocates quote Mark 2:27 as support for their position. Likewise with Colossians 2:14-17.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Halakha (Jewish law), especially the Talmud tractate Shabbat, identifies thirty-nine categories of activity prohibited on Shabbat (Hebrew: ל״ט אבות מלאכות‬, lamed tet avot melakhot), and clarifies many questions surrounding the application of the biblical prohibitions. Many of these activities are also prohibited on the Jewish holidays listed in the Torah, although there are significant exceptions permitting carrying and preparing food under specific circumstances.

It is any of these ordinance that void the commandment of YHWH that have been nailed to the cross. The commandment of YHWH aka commandment of Yahshua, (Jesus) have never been abolished. In fact they who live in them have life and the love of The Father is perfected in them. Salvation Vs. Sanctification is what we have been brought to light. You who trust in the Messiah for your salvation have no problem with salvation. The problem is, to continue on into sanctification we must acknowledge that the commandment,(Sabbath being one) is beneficial for the body as a whole and individually for maturity. Shame on you if you are following the way of apostasy. Which is a falling away from the way of truth to follow tradition of men. Peace to you who fear him who has the ability to throw body and soul into eternal judgment. Because true fear of Elohim leads to return to the Father's instructions and guard it.

 

[jimd]

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Halakha (Jewish law), especially the Talmud tractate Shabbat, identifies thirty-nine categories of activity prohibited on Shabbat (Hebrew: ל״ט אבות מלאכות‬, lamed tet avot melakhot), and clarifies many questions surrounding the application of the biblical prohibitions. Many of these activities are also prohibited on the Jewish holidays listed in the Torah, although there are significant exceptions permitting carrying and preparing food under specific circumstances.

It is any of these ordinance that void the commandment of YHWH that have been nailed to the cross. The commandment of YHWH aka commandment of Yahshua, (Jesus) have never been abolished. In fact they who live in them have life and the love of The Father is perfected in them. Salvation Vs. Sanctification is what we have been brought to light. You who trust in the Messiah for your salvation have no problem with salvation. The problem is, to continue on into sanctification we must acknowledge that the commandment,(Sabbath being one) is beneficial for the body as a whole and individually for maturity. Shame on you if you are following the way of apostasy. Which is a falling away from the way of truth to follow tradition of men. Peace to you who fear him who has the ability to throw body and soul into eternal judgment. Because true fear of Elohim leads to return to the Father's instructions and guard it.

There is nothing wrong with the Sabbath and the law, there is however something wrong with us, that is, we cannot be saved by it. To be saved by it we must keep it perfectly, so you see it ends up condemning us. This is where faith in Christ/God comes in. He died so we would not have to. Now try to figure out how those under the law were saved by Christ/God and not the law.

 

[beta]

There is nothing wrong with the Sabbath and the law, there is however something wrong with us, that is, we cannot be saved by it. To be saved by it we must keep it perfectly, so you see it ends up condemning us. This is where faith in Christ/God comes in. He died so we would not have to. Now try to figure out how those under the law were saved by Christ/God and not the law.

Friend, you need to rethink some of what you wrote. Because we can not do something 'perfect' Jesus died for us so we would not have to ?
Ever heard of 'studying, learning and GROWING in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior ???

All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect(ed).......

sooo no excuses, shirking or backing out that we can't do it ! we can with His help !

 

[mailmandan]

There is nothing wrong with the Sabbath and the law, there is however something wrong with us, that is, we cannot be saved by it. To be saved by it we must keep it perfectly, so you see it ends up condemning us. This is where faith in Christ/God comes in. He died so we would not have to. Now try to figure out how those under the law were saved by Christ/God and not the law.

Amen!

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

Galatians 2:16 - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

 

[Studyman]

Amen!

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

Galatians 2:16 - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

The New Covenant deals with just 2 things.

#1. How God's Laws are administered. (No more Levites or human preachers to filter the Word through their man made traditions) God writes His Laws directly in out mind.

#2. How sin's are forgiven. (No more Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for forgiveness of sins.) Jesus cleanses us with His own Blood.

I have asked for proof, other than the Popes words, that the New Covenant changed God's Laws that are to be written on our hearts and no one can give an answer. Your preaching that the New Covenant replaced the Old Testament is not Biblical. This teaching comes from the mind of man, not from the Bible.

When Paul speaks to the "Works or Deeds of the Law" for justification or remission of sins, he is talking about the Levitical Priesthood Abraham did not have, which he said was "ADDED" to God's Laws which has judged mankind since Cain was punished for hating his brother without a cause, and Sodom was destroyed for sinning against God.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It seems dishonest to quote only those words of Paul that support your religious traditions.

 

[mailmandan]

The New Covenant deals with just 2 things.

#1. How God's Laws are administered. (No more Levites or human preachers to filter the Word through their man made traditions) God writes His Laws directly in out mind.

#2. How sin's are forgiven. (No more Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for forgiveness of sins.) Jesus cleanses us with His own Blood.

I have asked for proof, other than the Popes words, that the New Covenant changed God's Laws that are to be written on our hearts and no one can give an answer. Your preaching that the New Covenant replaced the Old Testament is not Biblical. This teaching comes from the mind of man, not from the Bible.

No need for straw man arguments. The New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant. Hebrews 8:13 - In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The moral precepts of 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

When Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel under the Old Covenant (Exodus 35:1) and NOT THE CHURCH under the New Covenant.

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

When Paul speaks to the "Works or Deeds of the Law" for justification or remission of sins, he is talking about the Levitical Priesthood Abraham did not have, which he said was "ADDED" to God's Laws which has judged mankind since Cain was punished for hating his brother without a cause, and Sodom was destroyed for sinning against God.

Paul is speaking of the entire Law of Moses.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It seems dishonest to quote only those words of Paul that support your religious traditions.

It seems dishonest for you to quote Paul OUT OF CONTEXT in Romans 2:11-13 in order to accommodate your biased doctrine. Paul was talking to the Jews (continue to read on in Romans 2:17-24) about their judging of the Gentiles and then points them to their own law (standard of judgment) and hypocrisy and tells them that the doers of the law will be justified before God (verse 13). That leaves them out, along with everyone else (Romans 3:22-28; Galatians 2:16).

The standard they wanted to measure up to was the law. Paul was telling them that the doers of the law will be justified. So, obey the law, *obey all of it, but if you don’t obey all of it, you failed!* He tells them that the Gentiles who didn't have the law according to the knowledge of the Jews were instinctively doing the things of the law (verse 14) and will be judged accordingly. How much more so the Jews?

Paul was showing the self-righteous Jews who judged the Gentiles that they were not able to measure up to the perfect standard of the law. *They were hypocrites. *This is why Paul tells us in the very next chapter in Romans 3:28 that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the law. *No one was able to perfectly obey the law (except for Jesus Christ). *If you fail even once (stumble in one point), then you become guilty of all.

James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." Galatians 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them."

The Jews can be justified before God by keeping the Law, but he or she has to be 100% perfect. *A person can’t fail even once, ever. *But all have failed (Romans 3:23; 6:23), that is why man is justified before God by faith and not by the works of the law by through faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:24-28, 4:2-6; 5:1; 10"1-4; Philippians 3:9).

Modern day misguided teachers of the law play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Gospel of grace. Even though they may even deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

 

[preacher4truth]

The New Covenant deals with just 2 things.

#1. How God's Laws are administered. (No more Levites or human preachers to filter the Word through their man made traditions)

Accept when you filter the Word through your human preaching and man made tradition, which is consequently a false message and is no good news at all.

 

[Grandpa]

I agree with this in part. I believe that Christ truly is that rest, but that rest is found in following Him, and the example He left us. Did He keep the Sabbath? Yes! Notice Luke 4:16. Jesus left us an example of keeping the Sabbath, and the proper one! Also, He left us the example of self-sacrifice for others! Notice too however that resting in Christ means walking with Him. (Matthew 11:28-30)

[SIZE=+0]28[/SIZE] ¶Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SIZE=+0]29[/SIZE] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SIZE=+0]30[/SIZE] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Notice that He encourages us to take His yoke upon us. For that we walk side by side with him, and we walk as He walked So yes I believe that our Sabbath rest is truly found in Christ. Yet that rest is not outside of keeping His commands, for His very example tells us to keep them

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

You believe the Lord Jesus has given you Rest but you refuse it because He worked at the law and you want to as well.


Why would the Lord Jesus Christ offer His Rest if He didn't want people to actually Rest? Its just an intellectual, pie in the sky rest, and then get back to your work at the law?


Those who have gone back to their work at the law have refused the Lords Rest. They have been led away with the error of the wicked. They have not submitted to the righteousness of God. They have entangled themselves, again, in the yoke of bondage. They claim to be free of the law of sin and death but then attempt to be under it again.

People must just not understand. How could they if they go back to their condemnation and death after being Saved by the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[loveme1]

Accept when you filter the Word through your human preaching and man made tradition, which is consequently a false message and is no good news at all.

Says you...

It is one thing to disagree but when you go a step too far.... the ole pot, kettle and black releases steam..

 

[JaumeJ]

It appears impossible for so many to accept that our Savior, the Great Teacher, teaches us about the law since His coming. Actually He teaches how those who sit on the seat of Moses lack applying the three points most important in applying the law for obedience, tand they are mercy, justice and faith, without which you nor i COULD EVER UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM AND LOVE OF THE LAW, NOT TO MENTION JUST WHICH ARE TO BE FOLLOWED AND WHICH ARE NOT.

nO BELIEVER IS filtering anything by listening to and learning from Jesus christ Who is our example. Now if you believe He is your eexample,, I ask, do you obey? Do you serve mercy and forgiveness to all, including those who have done willful harm to you?

No, too many today are teaching a no-responsibility faith, no good works afforded by the grace of God, no effort exerted whatsoever; this is a very selfish unfeeling faith, actually it is no faith at all.

Accept when you filter the Word through your human preaching and man made tradition, which is consequently a false message and is no good news at all.

 

[Studyman]

Accept when you filter the Word through your human preaching and man made tradition, which is consequently a false message and is no good news at all.

I have asked repeatedly for someone to show me in the Scriptures where the New Covenant changed the Laws God said He would write on our hearts.

I have asked where the scriptures the that the New Covenant replaced the Old Testament.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Where is the destruction, or re-writing of God's Law? Why write these Laws on our heart if we are allowed to ignore which ever ones don't fit our religious traditions?

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


OK, Jesus removes our death with His Blood, no more animal sacrifice, I get that.

But to take this scripture, and use it to re-write the Bible the way "many" who come in Christ's name do, I can't understand.

Where does this scripture even suggest that the Law and the Prophets are to be ignored in the New Covenant? Or replaced in the New Covenant?

I get that some may hate God and consider any religion that ignores Him and creates another one "Good News". But how do you get any of this from the original Word which speaks to the New Covenant?

 

[JaumeJ]

You know something? The biggest problem you have in the content of your posts is simple.

You just make too much sense...........keep it up.......annot rep God in you right now but soon enough,.

Says you...

It is one thing to disagree but when you go a step too far.... the ole pot, kettle and black releases steam..

 

[preacher4truth]

filtering anything by

Oh, it's been filtered by you all for sure. That's why the good news turns into bad news when you're done with it.

I ask, do you obey? Do you serve mercy and forgiveness to all, including those who have done willful harm to you?

Only you all do this, that's what you keep telling us anyhow.

You spend exorbitant amounts of time telling us this about yourselves, about your works, how good you are, while at the same time you condemn others by thinking you've earned righteousness. Luke 18:9-11.

That's all. Carry on, perhaps the light will come on for you at some point.

 

[JaumeJ]

You still cannot fathom that all who wish to obey, wish to obey, and do the best they are given to be able.
I know I am not perfect, the Good News is, Jesus has done this for me, but at the same time,
no one who is grateful to Him will teach others to not obey as He did, even thoguh we all fall short.....here the Good news says our guilt is not held against us, but do not expect me or anyone I know who truly believes Jesus Christ to go out and eliberately live in wanto sin, that is disobedience of God, for Jesus does not teach this, nor does pAUL OR ANY OF hIS DISCIPLES.

Filer? No you one, I am only able to believe what Jesus teaches, and it is not teaching to break His will in any manner for that is akin to idolatry......

Oh, it's been filtered by you all for sure. That's why the good news turns into bad news when you're done with it.



Only you all do this, that's what you keep telling us anyhow.

You spend exorbitant amounts of time telling us this about yourselves, about your works, how good you are, while at the same time you condemn others by thinking you've earned righteousness. Luke 18:9-11.

That's all. Carry on, perhaps the light will come on for you at some point.

 

[preacher4truth]

You still cannot fathom that all who wish to obey, wish to obey, and do the best they are given to be able.
I know I am not perfect, the Good News is, Jesus has done this for me, but at the same time,
no one who is grateful to Him will teach others to not obey as He did, even thoguh we all fall short.....here the Good news says our guilt is not held against us, but do not expect me or anyone I know who truly believes Jesus Christ to go out and eliberately live in wanto sin, that is disobedience of God, for Jesus does not teach this, nor does pAUL OR ANY OF hIS DISCIPLES.

No one here deliberately wants to live in sin. This is you assuming, and without this assumption which assumptions you savor, look forward to, employ so as to accuse others with, and love doing, in fact you live for it, you'd have little to post about here.

It makes you want to live, it makes you joyous to condemn others with false accusations. It is Luke 18:9-11.

Filer? No you one,

More false accusations and assumptions, you live to do this.

I am only able to believe what Jesus teaches, and it is not teaching to break His will in any manner for that is akin to idolatry......

Yes, only you are able to believe Jesus.

In your own mind. All others, according to you, are lost, disobedient, want to live in sin &c. You live to condemn others, and speak highly of yourself. That's a fact.

Good day, get your last word in about yourself and condemn others in the process. I expect nothing less.

 

[loveme1]

Jaumej, preacher4truth will make many accusations they are generic btw.. let the mud slide off my dear.. just how He works. Salt and pinch needed.

 

[JaumeJ]

If you believe what you are saying "back" to me, then why are you contending? I surely am not.

The basis of what I have to say is "Learn from Jesus Christ." His disciples did, Paul did, and so do all who believe Him.

I am beginning to thinkyou enjoy arguing, so I will stay away from you for a while until you learn that telling others to learn from Jesus christ is nto a sin........

No one here deliberately wants to live in sin. This is you assuming, and without this assumption which assumptions you savor, look forward to, employ so as to accuse others with, and love doing, in fact you live for it, you'd have little to post about here.

It makes you want to live, it makes you joyous to condemn others with false accusations. It is Luke 18:9-11.



More false accusations and assumptions, you live to do this.



Yes, only you are able to believe Jesus.

In your own mind. All others, according to you, are lost, disobedient, want to live in sin &c. You live to condemn others, and speak highly of yourself. That's a fact.

Good day, get your last word in about yourself and condemn others in the process. I expect nothing less.