GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Gabriel2020]

Amen, here we see that being commited to sin is being devoted in ones heart to perform such acts.. In the old testament the scripture talks about it in GENESIS;6:5; And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Sin is not a spirit or some form of entity. it does not exist to be fed off of. It is man made. stop doing it and the world would be free of it. just an example, but we know man will continue to make sin.

 

[LoveGodForever]

here is what you are doing- you are saying that keeping the Sabbath does not save one. but then , you state that one breaking a command is a sinner, and sinners cannot enter the kingdom , thus equating command keeping to salvation. since you ( wrongly ) believe that someone not keeping the Sabbath is a sin ( gentiles were never under that Mosaic Law ) then that makes Sabbath a requirement for salvation. that has NOTHING to do with being saved by grace, through faith, for good works, unless you consider Sabbath rest a work.

Well gb9, that is NOT true at all and I am saying no such thing whatsoever. It is God's Word that says that those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven not me. You are free to BELIEVE as you like. We can choose to BELIEVE God's Word or NOT BELIEVE God's Word but only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word are HIS people and by FAITH enter into God's Kingdom.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we break any of God’s commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20).

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Who will you follow?

 

[phil36]

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Who will you follow?

Hi Lovegodforever,

Holding the legalistic Judaizer view is a legalistic tradition of man for those in the New Covenant.

Who should you follow the false traditions of the SDA or Jesus?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Amen, here we see that being commited to sin is being devoted in ones heart to perform such acts.. In the old testament the scripture talks about it in GENESIS;6:5; And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Sin is not a spirit or some form of entity. it does not exist to be fed off of. It is man made. stop doing it and the world would be free of it. just an example, but we know man will continue to make sin.

Great post Gabriel2020,

Simple and right to the point. God destroyed the world in the days of Noah and Soddom and Gommorah because of SIN.

As it was in the days of Noah and Soddom so shall it be in the comming of the son of man.

Those who practice SIN will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Many we say to him in that day that they were his Followers but He will say to many depart from my you who practice SIN I never knew you.

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW. You break anyone of them you are "Under the Law" and stand guilty before God in SIN and need to SEEK him who LOVES you.

 

[gb9]

Well gb9, that is NOT true at all and I am saying no such thing whatsoever. It is God's Word that says that those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven not me. You are free to BELIEVE as you like. We can choose to BELIEVE God's Word or NOT BELIEVE God's Word but only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word are HIS people and by FAITH enter into God's Kingdom.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we break any of God’s commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20).

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Who will you follow?

so, you tell me what I said was not true, then you go on to say exactly what I said that you say.

that is proof by itself, I need to say nothing.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Lovegodforever,
Holding the legalistic Judaizer view is a legalistic tradition of man for those in the New Covenant.
Who should you follow the false traditions of the SDA or Jesus?

Hello my friend, choose to BELIEVE GOD'S Word and FOLLOW him or not I do not judge you. Only God's Word is true and we should FOLLOW it as it is written; Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged (Romans 3:4).

It is the Word of God that will judge all in the last days because Jesus says....

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:46-48)

On the Word of God we stand or fall. Name calling and slander is not a fruit of the Spirit of LOVE and is not the Word of God. If you have lost your Word how will you find your way when the way is dark and narrow?

 

[LoveGodForever]

so, you tell me what I said was not true, then you go on to say exactly what I said that you say.
that is proof by itself, I need to say nothing.

Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God are his people. He who sees, sees all. How can you being evil do good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Those that be whole do not need a physician but those that are sick. By their fruits you will know them. Love is a fruit. Those that love have met the physician.

The mirror shows the way that all must look into it and see themselves. Then we can see the one who loves us and know the one who is calling us. It is the small voice behind us saying this is the way walk you in it. It is hard to kick against the pricks….

Do you know the scriptures gb9?

 

[phil36]

Hello my friend, choose to BELIEVE GOD'S Word and FOLLOW him or not I do not judge you. Only God's Word is true and we should FOLLOW it as it is written; Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged (Romans 3:4).

It is the Word of God that will judge all in the last days because Jesus says....

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:46-48)

On the Word of God we stand or fall. Name calling and slander is not a fruit of the Spirit of LOVE and is not the Word of God. If you have lost your Word how will you find your way when the way is dark and narrow?

Hi Lovegodforever,

It has been brought to your attention before that you keep saying that those who do not follow the SDA/Sabbatarian judaizer tradition, that they are in sin, or even this be construed as not being in Christ.

Sabbatarianism is a legalistic tradition of the SDA.

Who should you follow, the bad, man made tradition of SDA or the teachings of Christ?

 

[gb9]

Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God are his people. He who sees, sees all. How can you being evil do good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Those that be whole do not need a physician but those that are sick. By their fruits you will know them. Love is a fruit. Those that love have met the physician. The mirror shows the way that all must look into it and see themselves. Then we can see the one who loves us and know the one who is calling us. It is the small voice behind us saying this is the way walk you in it. It is hard to kick against the pricks….

Do you know the scriptures gb9?

of course I know Scripture. I use it all the time to prove you wrong.

 

[gb9]

Hi Lovegodforever,

It has been brought to your attention before that you keep saying that those who do not follow the SDA/Sabbatarian judaizer tradition, that they are in sin, or even this be construed as not being in Christ.

Sabbatarianism is a legalistic tradition of the SDA.

Who should you follow, the bad, man made tradition of SDA or the teachings of Christ?

well, lovesabbath, oops, I mean lovegodforever has a point- you should not say he is sda. there is a lot of Hebrew roots junk in his stuff also!

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Lovegodforever,

It has been brought to your attention before that you keep saying that those who do not follow the SDA/Sabbatarian judaizer tradition, that they are in sin, or even this be construed as not being in Christ.Sabbatarianism is a legalistic tradition of the SDA. Who should you follow, the bad, man made tradition of SDA or the teachings of Christ?

Well that is not true at all my friend. It is God's Word not mine. You can choose to follow God or not the decision is yours and yours alone. Many in the days of Jesus would not come to him either because many are called but few are chosen because narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it because men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil (SIN).

 

[phil36]

well, lovesabbath, oops, I mean lovegodforever has a point- you should not say he is sda. there is a lot of Hebrew roots junk in his stuff also!

Yep, he's a mixed up kid indeed.

 

[LoveGodForever]

well, lovesabbath, oops, I mean lovegodforever has a point- you should not say he is sda. there is a lot of Hebrew roots junk in his stuff also!

Only God's Word is true. It will be our judge and let the hidden things be revealed. Name calling is not a fruit of the spirit of God. God's sheep hear His voice and believe and follow him who loves all.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Yep, he's a mixed up kid indeed.

We must ask our heavenly farther to have eyes to see and ears to hear so that we can know his Words that he freely give to all who come. He is knocking at the door. Who will open the door and let him in? In Christ we can only find peace and love. We must follow him because we love him. God's Sheep hear his voice.

 

[LoveGodForever]

of course I know Scripture. I use it all the time to prove you wrong.

gb9 if you knew the scriptures you would know God's Word....

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

It seems like you and your friend do not KNOW him. KNOWN SIN will keep all those who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.

 

[phil36]

We must ask our heavenly farther to have eyes to see and ears to hear so that we can know his Words that he freely give to all who come. He is knocking at the door. Who will open the door and let him in? In Christ we can only find peace and love. We must follow him because we love him. God's Sheep hear his voice.

Hi Lovegodforever,

The SDA/Sabbatarians have been proven wrong many times. Plus lets have a look at this statement..

God's Word is very clear that the Judgements of God are only received by breaking God's Law (any of God's 10 commandments, Isaiah 26:21, 13:11, Psalms 37:38, Rom 2:5-6, 12, Prov 11:21, Heb 9:27, Jer 21:14, Isaiah 59:18, Matt 3:10, 12, 1Cor 6:9-10, 2Pet 3:7 and 1Thess 5:3). Even if we break one of God's 10 commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of his Law (James 2:10-11).
God's Word also tells us that the "Beast" and his "Mark" is received as the Roman Catholic Church unites with the USA and the nations of the world to enforce a national Sunday law. All who believe and obey, this law will receive the "Mark of the Beast" and the Judgements of God (Rev 13 and 14) because they turn from God by disregarding his 7th Day Sabbath to follow man made traditions (Ex 20:8-11, Mark 7:7). https://www.beastsmark.com/sealofgod

I take it you fully agree with the above nonsense..? You see you condemn all who do not follow your SDA/Sabbatarian tradition. That my friend is not only cultic but legalism. And False!!

 

[Studyman]

Hi Lovegodforever,

It has been brought to your attention before that you keep saying that those who do not follow the SDA/Sabbatarian judaizer tradition, that they are in sin, or even this be construed as not being in Christ.

Sabbatarianism is a legalistic tradition of the SDA.

Who should you follow, the bad, man made tradition of SDA or the teachings of Christ?

To be scripturally accurate, Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, He did create the week and He did create the 7th day as His Sabbath. He did say He created His Sabbath for man, which as far as I can tell, LGF and I are men, I assume you are as well. He did say He was Lord of this Sabbath, not any other that I am aware of.

So to claim as you do, that the SDA created the Sabbath as their tradition, or that Jesus was following some SDA tradition when He observed the Sabbath He created for man, is not at all Biblically accurate.

It seems if a man has true faith in the Jesus of the Bible, (as opposed to the long haired guy some create and place His name on) it would be a no-brainer to "Walk even as He walked" and observe the Commandment He created specifically for us.

I never completely understood why "MANY" who come in Christ's name, hate the God of the Bible's Commandments He created for them.

But what one man thinks, or another man thinks is of no consequence to me. I'm pretty much convinced God/Jesus knows more than man.

 

[phil36]

To be scripturally accurate, Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, He did create the week and He did create the 7th day as His Sabbath. He did say He created His Sabbath for man, which as far as I can tell, LGF and I are men, I assume you are as well. He did say He was Lord of this Sabbath, not any other that I am aware of.

So to claim as you do, that the SDA created the Sabbath as their tradition, or that Jesus was following some SDA tradition when He observed the Sabbath He created for man, is not at all Biblically accurate.

It seems if a man has true faith in the Jesus of the Bible, (as opposed to the long haired guy some create and place His name on) it would be a no-brainer to "Walk even as He walked" and observe the Commandment He created specifically for us.

I never completely understood why "MANY" who come in Christ's name, hate the God of the Bible's Commandments He created for them.

But what one man thinks, or another man thinks is of no consequence to me. I'm pretty much convinced God/Jesus knows more than man.

Hi Studyman,

I have to point out one glaring mistake in your post! I do not say:

So to claim as you do, that the SDA created the Sabbath as their tradition, or that Jesus was following some SDA tradition when He observed the Sabbath He created for man, is not at all Biblically accurate.

Here is what I have said and certainly stand by what I have said:

Hi Lovegodforever,

Holding the legalistic Judaizer view is a legalistic tradition of man for those in the New Covenant.

Who should you follow the false traditions of the SDA or Jesus?

The SDA have a legalistic Judaizing view of Sabbath keeping. The Hebrew roots movement are just to be honest heretical.

 

[LoveGodForever]

To be scripturally accurate, Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, He did create the week and He did create the 7th day as His Sabbath. He did say He created His Sabbath for man, which as far as I can tell, LGF and I are men, I assume you are as well. He did say He was Lord of this Sabbath, not any other that I am aware of.

So to claim as you do, that the SDA created the Sabbath as their tradition, or that Jesus was following some SDA tradition when He observed the Sabbath He created for man, is not at all Biblically accurate.

It seems if a man has true faith in the Jesus of the Bible, (as opposed to the long haired guy some create and place His name on) it would be a no-brainer to "Walk even as He walked" and observe the Commandment He created specifically for us.

I never completely understood why "MANY" who come in Christ's name, hate the God of the Bible's Commandments He created for them.

But what one man thinks, or another man thinks is of no consequence to me. I'm pretty much convinced God/Jesus knows more than man.

Hi Studyman,

Great post. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom. If any knowinly practice man made traditions that lead to breaking of God's commandments then it is simple. SIN is transgression of God's LAW. IF there is NO REPENTANCE and SEEKING God for forgiveness then the tree is cast down and thrown into the fire. As it was in the days of Noah and Soddom so shall it be at the coming of the son of man...

In the last days God will give many over to strong delusions that they will BELIEVE a lie because they have chosen not to BELIEVE and FOLLOW the word of God but loved darkness rather then light because there deeds were Evil (SIN)

 

[BillG]

Ultimately we will all stand before Jesus.

It is him and only him so will judge. Sheep and goats.

He and only he has the authority.