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A: you keep using the same argument, just because the word trinity is not in the Bible, doesn't mean the definition of the trinity isn't in there. (1 John 5:7)
B: maybe you can't be 2 separate things, but God is not limited to one form, so yeah, He can be God and God's Son, for all things are possible with God (Matthew 19:26, Mark 10:27, and 14:36)
C: to answer your last question, He's both, and much more
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Well I said the trinity but I also want to know what you meant by oneness. The trinity is 1God 2Jesus 3Spirit. 3 in 1 body… so in that way yes there are three sections but they are one person like a clover leaf.. it has three little humps but they are connected and made in one leaf! 3 in 1!! I just had a thought or something, its like God is all around us Jesus is in our heart and the Holy spirit is guiding us! More to it then that but it’s the basics…
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Hmm you may think this is a lil weird but this is what comes to mind….. ok so its like this huge clover is covering the earth and everything and it has those 3 humps each hump is its own being but is joined together at the root making it one thing Jesus is accentually the son of oh lets say the first hump he bent himself down to earth to die for our sins he has an equal role he is a ruler accentually the ruler but God is his father so he does and agrees with what he says. (sorta kina what I meant to say but yea) does that remotely make any sense?
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Oneness as in ourselves. We are made up of body, mind, and Spirit. But we are one entity.
Father and Son are titles that God has. He Is Both Father and the Son. When we go to Heaven we will only see Jesus. No other entity of God.
The bible is peppered with the markings of a trinity, people who hold Unitarianism, that's foolishness. You can't tell me honestly that you come to the Bible, read it and then come to that view. No someone told you that, or you are unsaved, and you change it to your own interpretation rather than what the Bible actually says
For Example
Galatians 3
14For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15from whom his whole family[a] in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. 20Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
The father strengthens, how? through the Holy Spirit, so we can do what? by Faith Christ might dwell in us.
20 and 21, Him(father) according to his power that is at work within us(Holy Spirit) and in Christ Jesus(the Son)
Here is another From Isaiah
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Wonderful Counselor(Holy Spirit) Everlasting father(Father)
For Example
Galatians 3
14For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15from whom his whole family[a] in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. 20Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
The father strengthens, how? through the Holy Spirit, so we can do what? by Faith Christ might dwell in us.
20 and 21, Him(father) according to his power that is at work within us(Holy Spirit) and in Christ Jesus(the Son)
Here is another From Isaiah
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Wonderful Counselor(Holy Spirit) Everlasting father(Father)
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peachetty
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but we are not our own God so then oneness has nothing to do with our God so then oneness is out unless it about God
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Dmurray
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The Bible is Clear that God is ONE Not, three in one. Not 2 in one. But One. God doesn't share his glory with anyone. Jesus Is God. 1Ti 3:16. I have prayed about the matter, and asked God to show me himself. I bet you were taught about the Trinity weren't you? The word Trinity is Never found in the Bible; especially in reference to God. However the word One is referenced countless times in reference to God.
"Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is one, LORD."
God has different counsels, or roles, or jobs that he does. When son is referenced to God, it is because we are the Children of God. And we are to be like Jesus. Therefore if we follow the role that God plays as the Son; that is our model of how we are to act as Children of God.
Now Father: A Father places judgment on his Children, and has also created them. EX. The Founding Fathers of Confederation. They are called the fathers of Confederation, because the Founded it or Created it. As a Child I'm sure your Earthly father has placed a judgment on your actions. Likewise some day God will place judgment on all of his Children.
The Holy Spirit; Well God is a Spirit right?
There are evidence for both in the Bible. But, Jesus said it himself. "Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
From what I understand there are many more people who believe in the Trinity, than people who believe in Oneness.
You may use the verse Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
But it is clear that it is Singular, and Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is not a Name. But The name of these three is Jesus.
Jesus said I and my Father are one. And that the comforter that which is the Holy Ghost, the Father will send in My NAME.
Jesus is the only God. There is no Triune. If there were then we would also be. But we are one, just as my God is one. For I am made in His Image.
"Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is one, LORD."
God has different counsels, or roles, or jobs that he does. When son is referenced to God, it is because we are the Children of God. And we are to be like Jesus. Therefore if we follow the role that God plays as the Son; that is our model of how we are to act as Children of God.
Now Father: A Father places judgment on his Children, and has also created them. EX. The Founding Fathers of Confederation. They are called the fathers of Confederation, because the Founded it or Created it. As a Child I'm sure your Earthly father has placed a judgment on your actions. Likewise some day God will place judgment on all of his Children.
The Holy Spirit; Well God is a Spirit right?
There are evidence for both in the Bible. But, Jesus said it himself. "Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
From what I understand there are many more people who believe in the Trinity, than people who believe in Oneness.
You may use the verse Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
But it is clear that it is Singular, and Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is not a Name. But The name of these three is Jesus.
Jesus said I and my Father are one. And that the comforter that which is the Holy Ghost, the Father will send in My NAME.
Jesus is the only God. There is no Triune. If there were then we would also be. But we are one, just as my God is one. For I am made in His Image.
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peachetty
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yes but we have sin in our lives and sin is not in his imige we have to get back to that state with God. and to call ourselves God is not rigth God is God
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Dmurray
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I believe you read into what I'm saying. I never said I was God. But My Body is the Temple of God.
I was just giving an example of How God is one not Three, we are one and not three. I decided to use us as an example instead of a clover
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peachetty
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I believe you read into what I'm saying. I never said I was God. But My Body is the Temple of God.
I was just giving an example of How God is one not Three, we are one and not three. I decided to use us as an example instead of a clover
in that case you missunderstood my first post i am in full agreement that God is one being. i now get what you were saying about us being one person though. so God is still one being, father, son and holy spirit.
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It may be weird to interject this late in a thread, but i would have to disagree with this statement. God is more than capable of being manifest in all three of his "forms" if you will at once.
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peachetty
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then now i am really lost cuz in that case oness and trinity are the same thing.... sence that was just an etc.
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peachetty
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yes yes yes!! see thats the trinity 3 in 1! thank you thats just what i'm looking for
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no! its like 3 sides to God!!! not 3 seperit ppl!!! 3 in one!! what dont you get???? besides if God is God why cant he do and be what he wants!
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More like the other way around, three entities exist in God. You can believe in oneness if you want to, but I'll stick to the definitive judgment of the Church.
Furthermore the Nicene Creed which was declared to be binding dogma by the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325 in opposition to the Arians says thus:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of Life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
The oneness movement is basically Arianism. It is just a old heresy with a new name. But, the following reasons are why i believe in the Trinity. The divine teaching authority of the Church has proclaimed it so and the scriptures testify to it. If i believed anything else i would be anathema.