The politics of Gay rights.
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The sin that leads to death is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit... There is no point praying for someone who has committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit .. Note that John is talking of "" There is a sin that leads to death "" meaning he is talking about only one sin...
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In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
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1. A character flaw in people holding to a proposition does nothing to logically undermine the proposition.
If some men hold the biblical proposition that homosexual behavior is a sin, and then those men do something awful, their behavior has no effect on the proposition. The proposition, that homosexual behavior is a sin, is still either true or false, exactly the same as it was before those men were even born.
The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with the behavior of the people claiming the proposition.
Now, I can totally agree that bad behavior can be awful, and it might show those guys are hypocrites... but that still doesn't effect the truth of the proposition.
2. If some Christians you knew were awful, that doesn't mean all Christians are awful, or that the claims of Christianity are false.
a. The wrongs of a few people in a group cannot be applied to all people in a group.
b. To refer to point #1 again, a person's behavior has no effect on the truth of a proposition he claims.
Theoretically, every Christian on the earth could be the worst imaginable hypocrite, and STILL the claims of scripture would be true. Objective truth isn't contingent on anyone's behavior.
3. If some Christians you knew were hanging out in strip clubs, and on top of that maybe they were going around being horribly mean to homosexuals, that still has no affect on the Biblical truth that homosexuality is a sin.
This scenario WOULD mean those guys are awful.
This scenario WOULD mean those guys are a really bad example of Christians.
But all of their bad behavior would have no logical power to affect any truth claims of scripture.
4. If you want to point out some Christian hypocrisy because you dislike it, that's great - but if you want to point out some Christian hypocrisy because it's a defense for homosexuality... that doesn't logically work.
* I have no bone to pick with zi, or with anyone else... but this is a very emotional topic and I'd just like to see us discussing it rationally.
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Where are the adultery threads? Abused kids threads?
Dad left for another woman threads?
Waggles, others destroy children not just gays...
You're abandoning topics that need just as much attention..
That's my whole point!
Let's council all not some..
It's at the expenses of the victims that you do so.... They go unnoticed.. once again
If you're going to be heroes be fair
Dad left for another woman threads?
Waggles, others destroy children not just gays...
You're abandoning topics that need just as much attention..
That's my whole point!
Let's council all not some..
It's at the expenses of the victims that you do so.... They go unnoticed.. once again
If you're going to be heroes be fair
I think the confusion here is also caused by the fact that some users speak in political terms, while other, in God's terms and, as followers, use His moralses.
I may be wrong, but I think that users who speak in political terms, are trying to see the 'sin' concept, in a political view and this makes them come to the same conclusion and, therefore, same answers.
I may be wrong, but I think that users who speak in political terms, are trying to see the 'sin' concept, in a political view and this makes them come to the same conclusion and, therefore, same answers.