GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[posthuman]

If one has not heard of the Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible) they have not been properly evangelized to and they do not have an understanding of what sin is; therefore they do not have a clue of what the Gospel is.

So salvation isn't by faith in the Son of God, it's by knowing Torah? And keeping, well, selected parts of it, sorta keeping, but not really?

And love alone does not produce the observance of days, you say - love plus Law does?

Gotta add them works and that Law, right? Else it's not the gospel, you say..?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Who will save me from this body of death?

It is never too late until it is too late. In times of ignorance God winks at but now when a knowledge of His truth is come calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel (Word of God).

Seek the Lord while he may be found call upon him while he is near; Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon if you seek first above all things His Kingdom and His righteousness.

Repent and confess your sins, BELIEVE God's WORD and Faith will give you the VICTORY to OVERCOME the World.

Today if you hear His Voice harden not your heart. This day the Kingdom of Heaven is come unto you what will you do? It is hard to kick against the pricks...

 

[posthuman]

WHO will save me from this body of death?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]

 

[LoveGodForever]

WHO will save me from this body of death?

It is the Word of God, Jesus who you close your eyes and ears to see and hear that he may heal you. It is hard to kick against the pricks

 

[posthuman]

how does Jesus save?

 

[Hizikyah]

how does Jesus save?

Isaiah 53:67-9, “We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. And יהוה has laid on Him the crookedness of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken. And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.”



Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."



John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

 

[lightbearer]

So salvation isn't by faith in the Son of God, it's by knowing Torah? And keeping, well, selected parts of it, sorta keeping, but not really?

And love alone does not produce the observance of days, you say - love plus Law does?

Gotta add them works and that Law, right? Else it's not the gospel, you say..?

No this is what was said,"they do not have an understanding of what sin is; therefore theydo not have a clue of what the Gospel is."

If you don't know what sin how can you be saved from it? What do you think the Disciples Preached from? The New Testament? Paul quoted from the Old Testament quite often. Why? Because that was what Jesus did and that was what testified of Him.

And because the Old Testament was at hand to look up what he was saying was true. What did the Scriptures say in regards to the Bereans? Acts 17:11,12.

Can't know what sin is unless you know what righteousness. And unless you know what sin is you can't confess and repent from it to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. ​

 

[posthuman]

This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

 

[posthuman]

how does He save me from this body of death?

 

[Hizikyah]

This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

Let us not forget the Law explains love:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might."[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (the intent/sums up) the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

how does He save me from this body of death?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]

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[Magenta]

What do you think the Disciples Preached from? The New Testament? Paul quoted from the Old Testament quite often. Why? Because that was what Jesus did and that was what testified of Him.

Paul quoted Luke, and Peter referred to Paul's writing comparing it to Scripture. We also know Paul's letters were shared around. That is why he wrote them Paul was testifying of Christ also.

 

[Hizikyah]

Paul quoted Luke, and Peter referred to Paul's writing comparing it to Scripture. We also know Paul's letters were shared around. That is why he wrote them Paul was testifying of Christ also.

I want to say I respect and love you in Messiah and enjoy many of your posts but I have tosays: There is no way any of these men would have wrote a letter and compared it to Scripture.

Peter called Paul's writing s a letter:

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letterswhen he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

epistolais
letters

epistolé: an epistle, a letter​

Original Word: ἐπιστολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: epistolé
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-is-tol-ay')
Short Definition: a letter, dispatch, epistle
Definition: a letter, dispatch, epistle, message.

what was considered Scripture back then was guarded very carefully, if a single letter as off in copying a scroll it would be litearllyburnt instantly as to not proliferate a erronous copy. Of course this changed throught time and we have many divergent manuscripts today, but that was seemingly after the days there men lived in. So again I say none fo these men would have wwrote a letter and claimed it to be Scripture, but rather a letter.

 

[posthuman]

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

Brother, if I have been set free by becoming united with Him in death, I am set free and no longer judged by Law. Romans 6-7.

We should remember the sabbath. Not because we are under law, not because we are under threat of condemnation - if we think this, we deny the gospel of what He has accomplished for us, and we neither believe Him nor obey Him. because it is Yah who sanctifies us, and we love Him. Whatever is not of faith is sin, and the one who considers every day alike does so to God - God, who justifies the ungodly by their faith in His death and resurrection.

Begun in the Spirit, we are not perfected by the flesh.

 

[Magenta]

I want to say I respect and love you in Messiah and enjoy many of your posts but I have tosays: There is no way any of these men would have wrote a letter and compared it to Scripture.

Peter called Paul's writing s a letter:

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letterswhen he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

epistolais
letters

epistolé: an epistle, a letter
Original Word: ἐπιστολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: epistolé
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-is-tol-ay')
Short Definition: a letter, dispatch, epistle
Definition:

a letter, dispatch, epistle, message.

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what was considered Scripture back then was guarded very carefully, if a single letter as off in copying a scroll it would be litearllyburnt instantly as to not proliferate a erronous copy. Of course this changed throught time and we have many divergent manuscripts today, but that was seemingly after the days there men lived in. So again I say none fo these men would have wwrote a letter and claimed it to be Scripture, but rather a letter.​

Thank you, Hizikyah, but I did not say that Peter called Paul's letters Scripture, but that he compared Paul's writing to Scripture. You gave the verse:

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He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16.
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This brings up an interesting question, one I have posed before regarding the nature and purpose of Scripture, which is the revelation of God's will for humanity through those whom God chooses, in relation to Paul's letters. Surely Paul believed he was chosen of God, and was aware that he was revealing God's will to his fellows. Does this mean he believed he was writing Scripture? Not necessarily, but it is still true that his letters were shared, and taught from.

Sorry for the weird formatting of your post... I did not do that...

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[Hizikyah]

Brother, if I have been set free by becoming united with Him in death, I am set free and no longer judged by Law. Romans 6-7.

We should remember the sabbath. Not because we are under law, not because we are under threat of condemnation - if we think this, we deny the gospel of what He has accomplished for us, and we neither believe Him nor obey Him. because it is Yah who sanctifies us, and we love Him. Whatever is not of faith is sin, and the one who considers every day alike does so to God - God, who justifies the ungodly by their faith in His death and resurrection.

Begun in the Spirit, we are not perfected by the flesh.

I agee 100% we should perform any little bit of obedience wqe are able to because love for Him and other humans, and not from fear of seeking a reward, wiothout a doubt!!!!

opn the other topic: Except the same letter you quote from Roamns to hold that doctrine says this:

Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”

Do you think all poeple will be judged by their own made up set of rules? or different races have different guidemines? that would make for an unruly and unfair judge, the word is clear my broter, Yah is great in mercy and perfect in judgment.

 

[Magenta]

Also, Paul indubitably considered himself an authority, and he was also an accepted teacher. Suggesting that only OT was used for teaching in the first century church seems beyond a stretch.

 

[Hizikyah]

Also, Paul indubitably considered himself an authority, and he was also an accepted teacher. Suggesting that only OT was used for teaching in the first century church seems beyond a stretch.

Certianly the 12 disciples of Yahshua/Jesus and Paul were acfcepted teaches by many seeking Yahshua and YHWH, but that in itself does not make any of their writings "Scripture" especially of their day. I am not discounting them but being sober in factual understanding IMO. Also did any of the 12 ever call Paul an apostle of was it by his own witness?

 

[posthuman]

I agee 100% we should perform any little bit of obedience wqe are able to because love for Him and other humans, and not from fear of seeking a reward, wiothout a doubt!!!!

opn the other topic: Except the same letter you quote from Roamns to hold that doctrine says this:

Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”

Do you think all poeple will be judged by their own made up set of rules? or different races have different guidemines? that would make for an unruly and unfair judge, the word is clear my broter, Yah is great in mercy and perfect in judgment.

For us, we are redeemed by death, and whoever has died is free from law and from sin. Whether we keep feasts or sabbaths or diets is not our justification before God, Christ, and His perfection, is our righteousness by our faith in His finished work. therefore we must not let anyone judge us by any of these rudimentary things; it is by the Spirit we have been brought to peace with Him.


I don't presume to know how God will judge people in their ignorance or their knowledge. All men know good from evil and He knows the heart of all men. But Messiah is clear when He speaks to the Pharisees and says they will be judged and condemned by Moses, as Moses is who they put their hope in, and we know that whoever does not believe is condemned already.


Where you quote from Romans, Paul is firmly establishing that all are condemned, Jew and Gentile alike. Salvation is through immersion into the death of Christ, and whoever has died, the Law no longer has any power over. There us therefore Now no more condemnation for those in Him, and we enter Him by belief, not by righteousness according to Law.