GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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trofimus

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Well that is not true at all. The Mosaic laws were fulfilled in Christ. This is what you are not seeing. God's Law however is forever and the standard of the Old Covenant, the NEW Covenant and the Judgement to come. Without God's Law you have no Savior and without a Savior you have no salvation because you are still in your SINS. IT is sin that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom
But.......?

But Sabbath is God's law not a Mosaic Law, right? Prove from Scriptures that it is repeated in the New Covenant.
 
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But.......?
But Sabbath is God's law not a Mosaic Law, right? Prove from Scriptures that it is repeated in the New Covenant.
Not a problem..............

Hebrews 8
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For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

God's Law (10 commandments) in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; 1 Peter 2:20-22; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbor possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

You are confusing your rules and regulations with the Mosaic laws written in a book that where shadows of things to come (Colossians 2)

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

God's Law written on the hear is fulfilled in LOVE........

Romans 13
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, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

trofimus

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Not a problem..............

Hebrews 8
10,
For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

[FONT=&]God's Law (10 commandments) in the New Testament[/FONT][FONT=&]

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; 1 Peter 2:20-22; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbor possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

You are confusing your rules and regulations with the Mosaic laws written in a book that where shadows of things to come (Colossians 2)

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

God's Law written on the hear is fulfilled in LOVE........

Romans 13
8
, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

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Can you give me Scriptures proving that the Sabbath day keeping is also in the New covenant?

Please, do it by yourself, without copy & paste of irrelevant tuns of text from somewhere. Give me 1-3 verses you PERSONALLY see as important for the issue.
 
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Can you give me Scriptures proving that the Sabbath day keeping is also in the New covenant?

Please, do it by yourself, without copy & paste of irrelevant tuns of text from somewhere. Give me 1-3 verses you PERSONALLY see as important for the issue.
Hello trofimus,

The scriptures are already posted they are my own work given to me by Him who loves all. You can choose top BELIEVE God's Word or not. I do not judge you.

It is between you and God because it is written; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Be careful what you choose to do however these are God's Word's not mine. UNBELIEVERS have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. God will not force you to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.
 

trofimus

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Hello trofimus,

The scriptures are already posted they are my own work given to me by Him who loves all. You can choose top BELIEVE God's Word or not. I do not judge you.

It is between you and God because it is written; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Be careful what you choose to do however these are God's Word's not mine. UNBELIEVERS have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. God will not force you to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.
Can you give me 1-3 verses you personally see as important for the issue? Without copy & paste of text that is not concentrated on my question.

I can give you 3 verses saying that Sabbath or Law is not required.
 
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But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying,
‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.'
(Exodus 31:13)

Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.
(Ezekiel 20:12)


"a sign"

it is not for us to sanctify ourselves but for Him to sanctify us.
not our labors, but His.
Yes indeed, nice scriptures. This is of course only applicable to those who by Faith follow him through LOVE. As the scriptures point out that you have quoted, God's 4th commandment is a "Sign" to the people of God that they are His people and He is their God that saves them from their SINS.

Those who do not BELIEVE God's Word and FOLLOW it are the UNBELIEVERS. SIN and UNBELIEF will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

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There is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMAN DED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day..................

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin - from katapauó, Definition - rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G4521sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yet many understand Hebrews 4 to be bearing witness against the Sabbath as being the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus. It is true that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus, however, none have yet entered this rest:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is till future;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For Messiah said:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; ([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]strengthen[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*fr[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]om doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT] [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*on [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws[/FONT]
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Can you give me 1-3 verses you personally see as important for the issue? Without copy & paste of text that is not concentrated on my question.

I can give you 3 verses saying that Sabbath or Law is not required.
No you can present 3 verses that you think makes the Sabbath or Law not required.. which is a good test for the saints of the Most High.. whom will they Believe.. may it be the Lord always and forever.

Then everything else falls in to place and by the power of GOD through Faith the house stands firm.

Nothing is by chance all purposeful and intended..

You can not say the Law is not required.. for Loving GOD and each other is based on His 10 Commandments.. what changed was the Creation being made New inwardly to remove the enmity.. we receive the Spirit by hearing of Faith not the works of the law.. the Holy Spirit guides and comforts and GOD’s Law is good.


The Lord of Sabbath would not of taught us what is lawful and how it was made for us.. now we are to do good always through Faith while under Grace.. but a day we can keep separate and rest from the norm is a Blessing. Most of us have School, work and duties as we abide.. it is one day a week to be Remembered.. yet how much good there is to be done even on the Sabbath... it is not about being still all day lest you die..

It is the 1 Commandment most discussed amongst us.. the 9 are accepted as Loving GOD and each other.. though Love is not in the letter but the Spirit.

The Lord said similar to “you have heard it said “...... “but I say unto you”. Well he did speak regarding the Sabbath, enough said.
 
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No you can present 3 verses that you think makes the Sabbath or Law not required.. which is a good test for the saints of the Most High.. whom will they Believe.. may it be the Lord always and forever.

Then everything else falls in to place and by the power of GOD through Faith the house stands firm.

Nothing is by chance all purposeful and intended..

You can not say the Law is not required.. for Loving GOD and each other is based on His 10 Commandments.. what changed was the Creation being made New inwardly to remove the enmity.. we receive the Spirit by hearing of Faith not the works of the law.. the Holy Spirit guides and comforts and GOD’s Law is good.


The Lord of Sabbath would not of taught us what is lawful and how it was made for us.. now we are to do good always through Faith while under Grace.. but a day we can keep separate and rest from the norm is a Blessing. Most of us have School, work and duties as we abide.. it is one day a week to be Remembered.. yet how much good there is to be done even on the Sabbath... it is not about being still all day lest you die..

It is the 1 Commandment most discussed amongst us.. the 9 are accepted as Loving GOD and each other.. though Love is not in the letter but the Spirit.

The Lord said similar to “you have heard it said “...... “but I say unto you”. Well he did speak regarding the Sabbath, enough said.
Thank you for sharing LM1, Only God's Word is true and by faith teaches all who have ears to hear to be free to Love as he first loved us. It is the sign given to those who walk by faith in the Lord of the Sabbath.
 

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Can you give me 1-3 verses you personally see as important for the issue? Without copy & paste of text that is not concentrated on my question.

I can give you 3 verses saying that Sabbath or Law is not required.
The verse in Hebrews 8 that He posted do concentrated on your question. It is a quote from Jeremiah to those who are to be partakers. They understood what commandments. But it is more than just the 10. It is all the LAW that hang (depend) on our Love for GOD and our Love for our fellow man. The Ten are just the center; the Apex of it all.

In reference to the Ten; they all depend on Love and they all depend on one another. Since we can't Love GOD without loving our fellow man and we can't love our fellow man without our loving GOD!

The Prophesy in Jeremiah was mentioned in Deuteronomy also. Just in different words and not as a prophesy but as something that was and is available then even until now.

This was just posted elsewhere. I see that it fits here also. So please for your consideration.

Rom. 10:1-4 say, Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:1-4 KJV)

So Israel had not submitted themselves to the righteousness which is of GOD. Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; (Which is Faith) As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone (Which is Christ; Faith) and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(Rom 9:32-33 KJV)

Rom 10:4 says,For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."


Christ is also a noun; which is a state of being. But in this instance Christ is Jesus. But interestingly enough Jesus is not a normal Being. He among other things is the Rock of offense, Stone of stumbling; the Faith prophesied by Isaiah 8:14 and 28:16. If one is paying attention Paul is also calling Jesus YEHOVAH. Because YEHOVAH is the subject of Isaiah 8:14.

Anyway Romans 10:4 says, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

If we keep reading and keep everything in Context we see that Christ, JEHOVAH, the Stone of Stumbling, the Faith is given to us.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (Yehovah; Faith; the Word) down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Yehovah; Faith, the Word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The Word (Yehovah; Christ, Faith) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the Word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

So if we keep everything in Isaiah and Romans in Context.
We see that Christ, Yehovah, Faith; the Word is here in our hearts and in our mouths. And this Faith; Is The word (utterance; something spoken) of faith in which we preach. In other words Paul is saying, This is what we mean when we say faith.

Pretty cool huh?

But wait; that is not everything. Romans 10:4-6 as you probably know is also a quote from the Old Testament. This time Paul is quoting Deut 30:11-14.

We will start in verse 10 to keep everything in context.The Spirit saith,
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

For this commandment which I command thee this day,

What commandment? The one HE just spoke.

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.


This is that which
is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

So the Commandment, hearkening unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, turning unto the LORD thy God with all our heart, and with all our soul is the word that is nigh us; in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. That is the Faith in which we speak.

This is being spoken in the present tense. Which means if we are looking at Isaiah, Deut., and Romans keeping everything in context, this FAITH, this voice of the LORD YEHOVAH GOD; CHRIST; THE WORD;
HIS COMMANDMENTS AND HIS STATUTES WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW are in our hearts and in our mouths (TRUE FAITH) that we do it; was available then, even as it is now!

(Deu 30:10-15 KJV)
 

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here is something that needs no consideration- there is not one verse in the N.T. that says one must keep the Sabbath to be saved. nothing to consider, it is not there.
 
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here is something that needs no consideration- there is not one verse in the N.T. that says one must keep the Sabbath to be saved. nothing to consider, it is not there.
Same as there is not one verse saying that you should not lie, steal, murder, make idols etc etc.. to be saved.

We are saved by grace through Faith and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of God and not of works lest any man should boast....

We are not saved by the works of the Law but through Faith that works by love that fulfills the Law in those who walk in His Spirit.
 
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o,k. as you have been asked already, post one verse that says " one must keep the Sabbath to be saved " . if not, then apologize for calling me a liar. when the fruits of the Sprit were listed by Paul, Sabbath keeping was not mentioned. when John said the commands were believe in the name of the Son and love one another, Sabbath was not mentioned. I could go on and on about places where behavior of a believer was mentioned, no Sabbath.

so, one verse, or you are the lair.
 

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here is something that needs no consideration- there is not one verse in the N.T. that says one must keep the Sabbath to be saved.
No one said that.
We went from obeying the Law to being the LAW as the Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD; the Word manifested in the flesh!

In other words those that are Christ Jesus' can't help themselves. It is who we are!
 

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Same as there is not one verse saying that you should not lie, steal, murder, make idols etc etc.. to be saved.
But Sabbath is not given to us at all.

While stealing, murders, idolatry etc are mentioned in the New Covenant.
 

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No one said that.
We went from obeying the Law to being the LAW as the Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD; the Word manifested in the flesh!

In other words those that are Christ Jesus' can't help themselves. It is who we are!
The Law was given until Christ. Its clearly said in the New Testament.

If it is not anymore given to us, your post seems to be quite strange. Something is wrong.
 

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Can you give me 1-3 verses you personally see as important for the issue? Without copy & paste of text that is not concentrated on my question.

I can give you 3 verses saying that Sabbath or Law is not required.
Here is ten verses with commentary to help widen our understanding.

There are basically two rests mentioned in Hebrews 4.

One is the Gospel rest which is available to all through Christ. This rest is describe by the writer of Hebrews by the Greek word κατάπαυσις katapausis (kat-ap'-au-sis) it is a noun which means it is a state of being. A state of rest in GOD. Strong's says:
1. reposing down
2. (by Hebraism) abode

The second one is dependent upon the rest of the Gospel. That one is found in verse nine as you know. It is σαββατισμός sabbatismos (sab-bat-is-mos') n.
sabbath rest, sabbath observance

The keeping of the 7th day Sabbath is reaffirmed in the book of Hebrews for those who received the Gift of the Gospel.
Heb 4

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
The Rest, His Rest, is the Gospel, the victory over sin through His indwelling Spirit.

2.For unto us was the Gospel preached , as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

The Gospel which is the New Covenant, the placing of God's commandments, His Word, His intent into our hearts and minds through the indwelling of His Spirit. This is the rest in verse 1 which we enter into through faith. Or do not enter into because of unbelief (obstinate and rebellious). This is clearly seen in verse two.

This unbelief is discussed earlier in chapter 3

Hebrews
3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day, [now] if ye will hear his voice,......
8 Harden not your hearts,......
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, (his indwelling Spirit) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned,

Through an Evil heart of unbelief, we depart from the living God, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin we will not know His ways.
So today hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation when they did provoke. Them that sinned, evil hearted unbelievers, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Which whom was He grieved? Them that sinned and had not held their confidence steadfast unto the end. These are those who had not entered into His Rest

Now Back to chapter 4:1,2

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]4:3 For we which have believed, do enter into rest.

We do enter into His Rest, receive the Gospel the New Covenant, Which is His Commandments, His Word in our Hearts and in our minds. The anointing. For it is He that worketh in us to will and do His good pleasure. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God.
2 Cor. 3:5 Heb 8:10

3 As he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
The works for our salvation in the Gospel were finished from beginning when He had laid the foundation of the World.
We trampled on the gift of the Gospel from the Beginning of time and even though we deserve God's wrath salvation is still available to us.

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love..... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:8; Eph 1:4



Now pay attention please.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Here there is a distinction being made between the Sabbath and the Gospel. They are not the same. HE says, And this again, the Sabbath, the Seventh Day if we enter into, receive His rest, the Gospel, the indwelling of His Spirit. HIS Commandments, His Word being placed in our hearts and in our minds that we may do it.
God spoke of the Seventh Day in a certain place and that certain place was on Mt Sinia.
And this again, He speaks; "if we shall enter into His Rest," receive of the Gospel, Gods indwelling Spirit.

His Commandments are in our Hearts and in our minds and yes that includes the Sabbath according to the teachings of Hebrews chapter 4.


6.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


Remember the previous chapter they Never received the Gospel therefore since they never truly enter into union with the Father they never truly kept a Sabbath. They could not due to their unbelief through the deceitfulness of sin.
A unholy being cannot keep a day holy; sanctified. Their very presence defiles it.

So they never truly kept the Sabbath. They were defiled by the deceitfulness of sin. We are enjoined to rest and to keep the day Holy. If we have iniquity on our hearts it prevents us from keeping it Holy. Therefore they never truly kept it in the way our Lord YHWH had intended.

7.Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David [Ps 95:7,8] To day, [ Now ]after so long a time; as it is said , To day [Right now] if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts as in the day of provocation,

Verses six and seven are a call to repentance. Today (in other words now) after so long a time today (right now) if you will hear His voice harden not your hearts. Receive the rest that we receive in Christ, the Gospel. For He is our God and we are the people of His Pasture, His Resting, His indwelling; for we are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them Heb 8:10 I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts and I will be their God and they shall be my people.That is the Gospel; the New Covenant.

8.For if Jesus had given them rest ( a settling down,) [Joshua leading the children of Israel into the promised land] , then would he, David, [See Psalm 95] not afterward have spoken of another day. 9.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

As was shared the Greek word for rest here in verse 9 means a "sabbathing", a keeping of a Sabbath. Prior to this the Greek word used for rest meant to rest, to stop. That is why it was used in relation to the Gospel. God wants us to stop living our lives in sin and live our lives in Him. Rest in Him. His Rest, the Gospel. For it is He that wants to work in you both to will and do His good pleasure.

10.For he that is entered into his rest [received the Gospel. Which by the way enables us to be Holy and remain so, through His indwelling Spirit ], he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.

Did you get that? Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His. "As is" is a direct comparison. So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works. The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews Verse 4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).

God Is a Spiritual Being he is always in the state of Spiritual Rest. On the Seventh Day Sabbath he ceased from the physical labor of creation. Which is recorded in Genesis 2.

Therefore He that received the Gospel, cease from their own physical work as GOD did from HIS own physical work on the 7th day Sabbath. And now through the Gospel; HIS REST through CHRIST we can keep it as HE intended. And this is, was and will continue to be done on the Seventh day of the week.
 

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The Law was given until Christ. Its clearly said in the New Testament.
Let's go to Galatians shall we...

It is of the Faith now not the the letter.

The Spirit saith in Gal 2:16....Knowing that a man is not made righteous by works of law, but that it is through the faith of Jesus Christ….

The verse says, "Faith of Jesus Christ".

For God It was never about doing the written law. His intent in us has always been the Faith that worketh love and that is by love. As HE is so are we to be in this world through Christ.

The following text show the connection between the Old Testament and New. The verses in Romans 10:6-8; Deut. 30:11-14 ; Hebrews 8:10,11; Jeremiah 31:33 are all speaking of GOD's gift of enabling us through HIS Spirit to be as HE would have us be. Please notice that this gift which is the Good News; the Gospel was availed to us from the beginning of Moses ministry if not even from the time of the fall in Eden. If Enoch walk with GOD he walked though GOD to do it. Romans paraphrasing the text found in Deut. Prove this. So once again we share; walk in the Faith.


For GOD has said, "Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh through His flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in thy hand: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach. And that is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD (CHRIST) in you. For GOD hath said, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." And HE shall be our GOD and we shall be HIS people, for it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ (the Word, His Commandments, GOD's will) in us the hope of Glory.
For without this faith (the Word; HIS Christ; His Commandments; HIS statutes in our hearts and in our minds) it is impossible to please GOD.

Please notice the connections that are being made in the text above. Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be; HIS Commandments are inter changeable in the text above. And mind you this work in our hearts is the Gospel and is the word of faith in which we speak. This theme is found throughout the New Testament and it is what Galatians speaks.


As Gal. 2:16 speaks…Knowing that a man is not made righteous by works of law, but that it is through the faith of Jesus Christ (we also believed into Christ Jesus (as the BODY OF CHRIST), that we may be justified through the faith of Christ and not by works of law, because all flesh will not be justified by works of law).

The text says in the Greek “we also believed into Jesus”, (The Body of Christ the Temple of GOD) not in Jesus. Also note if you will it is through the faith of Jesus not by the faith of Jesus. That is why Galatians goes on to say, “For I, through law, died to law, that I should be living to God." With Christ have I been crucified, yet I am living; no longer I, but living in me is Christ (Christ; the Word, the Commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh). Now that which I am now living in flesh, I am living in the faith that is of the Son of God, Who loves me, and gives Himself up for me." (Gal 2:19-20)

Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed (The Faith, Christ’s; the Word, the Commandments manifested in the flesh, our flesh) should come, to whom it had been promised. But before Faith (Christ’s) came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the Faith (Christ’s) which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster (Law in general; the Pentateuch and all that is entailed, which would include the Decalogue; the Ten Commandments, the Statutes;etc...). to bring us unto Christ, that we might be made righteous out of faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster ( the Law in general; the Pentateuch and all that is entailed, which would include the Decalogue; the Ten Commandments). Knowing this, that law is not laid down for a righteous one, but for lawless and undisciplined ones, for ungodly and sinful ones, for unholy and profane ones. T

Which we are not through GOD IF Christ; the Word, the Commandments is manifested in the flesh, our flesh. The work GOD has done to our hearts and minds worked its work of Faith. Christ in us the Hope of GLORY; GOD. We become through Christ what the Schoolmaster was trying to teach us to do.

As Galatians wrote, “we also believed into Christ Jesus, that we may be justified (made or rendered righteous) through the faith of Christ and not by works of law, because all flesh will not be justified (made or rendered righteous) by works of law). Be not deceived though; he that doeth righteousness is righteous even as He is righteous.

"Even as" is a direct comparison. How Jesus righteous? By being righteous THROUGH GOD'S INDWELLING SPIRIT. HE DOETH THE WORK. For as many of us which have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Which is how the Faith, Christ; the Word, the Commandments manifested in the flesh, our flesh; our hearts and minds so that our hands and mouths work the work.

So Illuminated; for we have been enlighten to be the epistle of Christ (enabled body ministers).... written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; for it is He that worketh in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. For HE who hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, WAS glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance (illumination); which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Because that which is written and engraved in our hearts and minds so that we do it, manifests the Glory of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. No longer is there to be a need for that which was engraved in stone because that which was therein and more has been placed in our hearts and minds. We are the new Ark of the New Covenant of GOD; HIS Church, the Body of Christ His Temple through Christ. For as He is so are we in this world.

Lord we believe, help our unbelief. For you have given us all things that pertain to life and godliness.



If it is not anymore given to us,
Because it is us through Christ.
We went from obeying the Law to being the LAW as the Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD; the Word manifested in the flesh! As HE is so are we in this world!

In other words those that are Christ Jesus' can't help themselves. It is who we are!
 
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Originally Posted by trofimus
Can you give me Scriptures proving that the Sabbath day keeping is also in the New covenant?

Please, do it by yourself, without copy & paste of irrelevant tuns of text from somewhere. Give me 1-3 verses you PERSONALLY see as important for the issue.
Hello trofimus,

The scriptures are already posted they are my own work given to me by Him who loves all. You can choose top BELIEVE God's Word or not. I do not judge you.

It is between you and God because it is written; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Be careful what you choose to do however these are God's Word's not mine. UNBELIEVERS have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. God will not force you to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.
so you do not know three verses which are important to the issue? Jus as we suspected - copy and paste
 

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The Law was given until Christ. Its clearly said in the New Testament.

If it is not any more given to us, your post seems to be quite strange.
Jesus Christ did gave us the oracles of God in the new testament.

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

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What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2


For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

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If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11