No Roy No Moore

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JesusLives

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Have you ever read (or even heard about) The Harbinger (a book by Jonathon Cahn)? It references many scriptures and prophesies, and how they are being fulfilled rapidly! Not man's word, but God's Word!
I already read it..... I like the Bible better it has a better Author.
 
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I already read it..... I like the Bible better it has a better Author.

Which VERSION of "the bible" are you referring to, as having a better author?


Why Were 14 Books Removed from the Bible in 1881? | Rocking ...
rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-remov...
So King James comes out with his Bible, which has one thing in common with all ancient Bibles before it — the Geneva, the Coverdale, the Matthew, the Tyndale, the taverner's, all of them. It is an 80 book Bible, not a 66 book Bible. It contains the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha has 14 books, and it comes after the Old ...
 

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Which VERSION of "the bible" are you referring to, as having a better author?


Why Were 14 Books Removed from the Bible in 1881? | Rocking ...
rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-remov...
So King James comes out with his Bible, which has one thing in common with all ancient Bibles before it — the Geneva, the Coverdale, the Matthew, the Tyndale, the taverner's, all of them. It is an 80 book Bible, not a 66 book Bible. It contains the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha has 14 books, and it comes after the Old ...
The apocrypha was not considered inspired until the RCC canonized it in 1546, and many do not accept the RCC as any kind of authority. Instead of saying books have been removed, you could say the RCC added to Scriptures.
 

JesusLives

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My last name used to be Roy then I married Tourist so it is Roy no Moore.....lol
 
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The apocrypha was not considered inspired until the RCC canonized it in 1546, and many do not accept the RCC as any kind of authority. Instead of saying books have been removed, you could say the RCC added to Scriptures.

From my previous link:

[FONT=&quot]It comes from a fallacy of logic. We’re all familiar with logic. If A equals B, and B equals C, then A equals C — different properties of logic, transitive and associative properties of logic. The basic fundamentals of our brain should work, but it kind of got derailed with the Apocrypha. People say, “Well, my Catholic friends have the Apocrypha in their Bible.” They actually don’t. They have 12 of the 14 Apocrypha books, not quite all of it. But anyway, my Catholic friends have the Apocrypha in the Bible, my Protestant and Anglican friends do not. And it’s been that way for over a century. Therefore the Apocrypha is Catholic. Well, what utter nonsense! What a narrow view of history.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Apocrypha was written 400 years before Christ. 400 years before Christianity. Hundreds and hundreds of years before Roman Catholicism. Over 1000 years before what we call Protestantism. It can’t be Christian! It can’t be Catholic! It can’t be Protestant! It was written 400 BC. It is Jewish. It’s Jewish. It’s like the Old Testament that was written BC — before Christ — it’s Jewish. And so it documents the history of what happened to the Jewish people just before Christ came. And it was part of the scrolls, and the temple. It was part of Jesus’ bible. When He walked the earth as a human, He went into the temple to read from the scrolls. He would have had the Old Testament and the Apocrypha. Obviously He wouldn’t have had the New Testament because it was written about Him, after he died and rose and ascended into Heaven.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So what happened? Where did the Apocrypha go? Why was it taken from the Protestant Bible?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, the Apocrypha was a part of every Jew’s Bible, if you will, if I can use that term in the looser sense. It was part of every Jew’s Bible, but it was also a part of every Christian’s Bible all the way up to 1881. In 1881, due to the influence of wildly liberal textual critics, Westcott and Hort, the Apocrypha was removed from non- Catholic Bibles. The Catholics ignored Westcott and Hort, but the Protestants and the Anglicans fell into line, and when the influence of the popular textual critics said, “Well, this should not be in the Bible,” amazingly, everybody just fell like dominoes. And starting in 1881, Bibles that are Protestant or Anglican don’t have the Apocrypha.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now that’s really modern times. We had electricity in 1881. We had some crude automobiles and internal combustion engines. I mean this is somewhat modern times! The dawn of the Industrial Revolution. We’re not talking about some ancient time or the Crusades or the Dark Ages. This is modern day. Removal of 14 books from God’s Word!

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JesusLives

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Which VERSION of "the bible" are you referring to, as having a better author?


Why Were 14 Books Removed from the Bible in 1881? | Rocking ...
rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-remov...
So King James comes out with his Bible, which has one thing in common with all ancient Bibles before it — the Geneva, the Coverdale, the Matthew, the Tyndale, the taverner's, all of them. It is an 80 book Bible, not a 66 book Bible. It contains the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha has 14 books, and it comes after the Old ...
I read many versions of the Bible it is the never ending story for me as when I finish one I read another. So which versions of the Bible have you read?
 

JesusLives

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My Bible has enough information in it to lead someone to salvation and that is all the information I need....Have you accepted Jesus as your Savior Inquistor?
 
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I read many versions of the Bible it is the never ending story for me as when I finish one I read another. So which versions of the Bible have you read?

Here is a link to twenty-five or so different versions which I have studied. And this verse is the verse that makes tampering with the scriptures most obvious! The LINK below is a hyperlink! Click on it, and see if THIS VERSE agrees across all the bible versions listed!

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify:
 

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The Apocrypha was written 400 years before Christ. 400 years before Christianity. Hundreds and hundreds of years before Roman Catholicism. Over 1000 years before what we call Protestantism. It can’t be Christian! It can’t be Catholic! It can’t be Protestant! It was written 400 BC. It is Jewish. It’s Jewish. It’s like the Old Testament that was written BC — before Christ — it’s Jewish.
Jews did not consider it inspired.
 

Magenta

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How do you know that? Do you have any SCRIPTURAL evidence of your allegation which you can reference or quote?
Oh my. You speak of logic but seem to be sadly lacking in the faculty. Must Scripture proclaim Moby Dick not to be inspired also, for you to accept it as fact? Why do you not do some research?
 
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Oh my. You speak of logic but seem to be sadly lacking in the faculty. Must Scripture proclaim Moby Dick not to be inspired also, for you to accept it as fact? Why do you not do some research?

The fact is, I have done biblical research for more than four decades already. How much biblical research have you done?
 
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Oh my. You speak of logic but seem to be sadly lacking in the faculty. Must Scripture proclaim Moby Dick not to be inspired also, for you to accept it as fact? Why do you not do some research?

Here is some research for you, from the following web address:

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-to-defend-the-deuterocanonicals

[FONT=&quot]3. But the seven deuterocanonical books were added at the Council of Trent (1546) in order to justify Catholic doctrinal inventions.[/FONT]
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This is a myth that always comes up but is simple to answer. At the Council of Rome in 382, the Church decided upon a canon of 46 Old Testament books and 27 in the New Testament. This decision was ratified by the councils at Hippo (393), Carthage (397, 419), II Nicea (787), Florence (1442), and Trent (1546).

Further, if Catholics added the deuterocanonical books in 1546, then Martin Luther beat us to the punch: He included them in his first German translation, published the Council of Trent. They can also be found in the first King James Version (1611) and in the first Bible ever printed, the Guttenberg Bible (a century before Trent). In fact, these books were included in almost every Bible until the Edinburgh Committee of the British Foreign Bible Society excised them in 1825. Until then, they had been included at least in an appendix of Protestant Bibles. It is historically demonstrable that Catholics did not add the books, Protestants took them out.

Luther had a tendency to grade the Bible according to his preferences. In his writings on the New Testament, he noted that the books of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation were inferior to the rest, and they followed "the certain, main books of the New Testament." In 1519, this same attitude fueled his debate against Johannes Eck on the topic of purgatory. Luther undermined Eck’s proof text of 2 Maccabees 12 by devaluing the deuterocanonical books as a whole. He argued that the New Testament authors had never quoted from the seven books, so they were in a different class than the rest of the Bible.
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None of which deals with the FACT that the apocrypha had not been considered inspired.

Was the book of Hebrews inspired? Yes, or no? If yes, then explain this situation (from my previous link):

[FONT=&quot]4. Well, if the New Testament never quotes from these seven books, doesn’t that indicate that they were not considered to be inspired?[/FONT]
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Following this reasoning, we’d have to throw out the eight other Old Testament books—such as the Song of Songs—that are also not quoted in the New Testament. If we’re not willing to do that, we have to agree that the absence of a quote in the New Testament does not suggest that a book is not inspired.

Though there are no quotes, the New Testament does make numerous allusions to the deuterocanonical books. For one strong example, examine Hebrews 11:35: "Women received their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release that they might rise again to a better life." Nowhere in the Protestant Old Testament can this story be found. One must look to a Catholic Bible to read the story in 2 Maccabees 7.[/FONT]
 

JesusLives

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Yes, in 1974. What about you?
I was still working and I have been laid off since 2013 so had to be before that maybe 2011 or 2012... I can't remember dates as well as I used to...although my memory has always been not great with details that aren't important to me. I read so many books.

My husband and I read Bible every day have only missed a few mostly when we are traveling. Learn something new all the time God's word is a fantastic read. So much to learn.

I'm getting tired I thought you were asking when I read the book...

Accepted Jesus when I was young 11 or earlier.
 
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Tommy379

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I have an even better idea. Why don't we get the authorities to ban that chemical compound which kills every air-breathing creature that breathes it? It is one of the most dangerous compounds on earth ... but it seems to be everywhere, and even falls from the sky because it's trapped in the air! It's technical (chemical) name is di-hydrogen oxide, and it's formula is H2O!
It's Dihydrogen Monoxide.
 
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The disadvantage of Canadians thinking they're getting real news from the States.
"I don't like reality! Fake news fake news!"

The Tax Policy Center, The tax Foundation, and most other economists say it's terrible. It will increase the national debt, make people poorer and increase health care costs. If your response to that is "fake news" and "They're all in on it" than you are beyond being reached.
 
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It does mean you're supposed to check out the evidence first. Otherwise, you look really stupid.
People did look at the evidence, and decided he was a disgusting, constitution ignoring legal standard flouting hebe. Hence the election turning out the way it did. That you're screaming mad they didn't vote your way means nothing.