FLAT EARTH

[tourist]

When you eliminate the evidence of space travel and curvature by understanding all of it provided is false/lies, it becomes very easy to take in on faith the earth is flat. If it's flat, that there is no "south pole" and Antarctica becomes the edge.

The "explored" portion of the universe of the globe is very small, yet you take it on faith there are distant galaxies, the earth is expanding, and there was a "big bang". It's believed you live in the "milky way" galaxy and that the sun is orbiting the center of the milky way. There are many examples of unexplained, unknown, and a general lack of evidence for things you believe about the globe universe. They are making it up as they go, or filling in and changing the details as they are "discovered".

What does the edge of the expanding globe universe look like? Can you go and take a picture of it for me, or use a telescope to see it from here?

I'm sure that the Hubble space telescope has already accommodated your request. Even telescopes on earth can easily see other galaxies.

 

[pckts]

I'm sure that the Hubble space telescope has already accommodated your request. Even telescopes on earth can easily see other galaxies.

They say they looks at the stars and measure the "wobble" of them, and calculate based on this gravity how many planets are around them, how big they are, and what their habitats are like. They look at bright dots, and measure their movement to determine what their "galaxies" consist of.

So your evidence of what these distant galaxies contain is based off of calculated the movement of dots in the sky.

 

[Seedz]

I'm sure that the Hubble space telescope has already accommodated your request. Even telescopes on earth can easily see other galaxies.

99.99% of people will only have access to civilian grade gear.

The other .01% are the scientists or the "lucky" few.

Even if the scientists see something, most are in on it (famous ones), or have preconceived notions as to what they are looking at.

The few scientists that do speak up against the status quo usually you never hear of them and that is for a reason.

We are not trying to convince anybody here of the Flat Earth.

We just want to show people that there are in fact some things we have not bothered to look into or question as a society.

 

[tourist]

They say they looks at the stars and measure the "wobble" of them, and calculate based on this gravity how many planets are around them, how big they are, and what their habitats are like. They look at bright dots, and measure their movement to determine what their "galaxies" consist of.

So your evidence of what these distant galaxies contain is based off of calculated the movement of dots in the sky.

Actually, I don't often see the stars in the night sky due to light pollution living in big cities. I read a story once about this world that had multiple suns so that it was always daylight. In a rare occurrence the suns were going to have an eclipse at exactly the same time and the sky would totally be dark for a few minutes. There was speculation about how many stars would be visible if any. Certainly not more that a few. Turns out there were millions. Spectacular.

 

[tourist]

99.99% of people will only have access to civilian grade gear.

The other .01% are the scientists or the "lucky" few.

Even if the scientists see something, most are in on it (famous ones), or have preconceived notions as to what they are looking at.

The few scientists that do speak up against the status quo usually you never hear of them and that is for a reason.

We are not trying to convince anybody here of the Flat Earth.

We just want to show people that there are in fact some things we have not bothered to look into or question as a society.

I really don't believe that every single person is lying about everything. Anyone can buy a decent telescope for a few hundred, point it to the sky and see stuff. I saw the space station once using a telescope. Happens all of the time.

 

[pckts]

Actually, I don't often see the stars in the night sky due to light pollution living in big cities. I read a story once about this world that had multiple suns so that it was always daylight. In a rare occurrence the suns were going to have an eclipse at exactly the same time and the sky would totally be dark for a few minutes. There was speculation about how many stars would be visible if any. Certainly not more that a few. Turns out there were millions. Spectacular.

I read a story about a world like that too, Namek

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And it's inhabited by green slug men who reproduce asexually, and the best part is they have these orange orbs on the planet and if you collect all of them you can have 3 wishes granted by a magical dragon named Porunga.

And it's as real as the planet you are talking about.

 

[tourist]

If the sun were only 3000 miles away the earth would be burnt to a crisp.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

If the sun were only 3000 miles away the earth would be burnt to a crisp.

nope the water keeps it cold... science bro.... science

 

[Dino246]

These articles discuss the changing of the sunrise and sunset throughout the year, not what you are claiming is occurring, that the sun is appearing past the boundaries of the tropics.

You have provided evidence that the sunrise and sunset changes throughout the year, not that there is some special phenomenon that is causing it to appear in a location outside of the boundaries of the tropics.

We are not disputing that the sunrise and sunset positions change throughout the year.

It's the same principle. Where the sun appears to rise and set is north of the tropic. The cause of that appearance is the cause of the north-facing wall being illuminated by the sun. I'm not claiming any "special phenomenon". I'm stating that what happens in the northern hemisphere also happens in the southern hemisphere.

Between early May and late August, the sun's position at sunrise or sunset, relative to an observer north of the Tropic of Cancer, is north of due east/due west. Six months around, in southern summer, the same thing happens, only "south" rather than "north". No special phenomenon; just simple geometry. You seem to think it's something esoteric; it's nothing of the sort.

Frankly, given the difficulty you're having in understanding this, I'm beginning to wonder at your level of basic intelligence. You did graduate from high school, didn't you? This is not that complex a concept! Either that or you're being a troll, and if so, you will receive justice from the Lord for your folly.

 

[tourist]

If the sun were only 3000 miles away the earth would be burnt to a crisp.

nope the water keeps it cold... science bro.... science

Thank God for air conditioning or we would all be toast.

 

[Seedz]

If the sun were only 3000 miles away the earth would be burnt to a crisp.

Again, you assume it would burn to a crisp because you are still referencing back to the globe model specs.

Those specs are made up.

The real specs are observable and make much more sense.

 

[pckts]

It's the same principle. Where the sun appears to rise and set is north of the tropic. The cause of that appearance is the cause of the north-facing wall being illuminated by the sun. I'm not claiming any "special phenomenon". I'm stating that what happens in the northern hemisphere also happens in the southern hemisphere.

Between early May and late August, the sun's position at sunrise or sunset, relative to an observer north of the Tropic of Cancer, is north of due east/due west. Six months around, in southern summer, the same thing happens, only "south" rather than "north". No special phenomenon; just simple geometry. You seem to think it's something esoteric; it's nothing of the sort.

Frankly, given the difficulty you're having in understanding this, I'm beginning to wonder at your level of basic intelligence. You did graduate from high school, didn't you? This is not that complex a concept! Either that or you're being a troll, and if so, you will receive justice from the Lord for your folly.

Don't insult me, and don't tell me God is going to punish me for disagreeing with you and waiting for you to provide evidence.

Now provide me evidence. Stating two different things are following the same principle, and thus you don't have to provide me evidence for one of them, is not evidence.

 

[tourist]

It's the same principle. Where the sun appears to rise and set is north of the tropic. The cause of that appearance is the cause of the north-facing wall being illuminated by the sun. I'm not claiming any "special phenomenon". I'm stating that what happens in the northern hemisphere also happens in the southern hemisphere.

Between early May and late August, the sun's position at sunrise or sunset, relative to an observer north of the Tropic of Cancer, is north of due east/due west. Six months around, in southern summer, the same thing happens, only "south" rather than "north". No special phenomenon; just simple geometry. You seem to think it's something esoteric; it's nothing of the sort.

Frankly, given the difficulty you're having in understanding this, I'm beginning to wonder at your level of basic intelligence. You did graduate from high school, didn't you? This is not that complex a concept! Either that or you're being a troll, and if so, you will receive justice from the Lord for your folly.

This member is well educated and just happens to believe that the earth is flat. He is certainly not a troll. Actually, I find his posts to be well-written even though I believe that his stance on the shape of the earth is incorrect. Very interesting guy.

 

[Dino246]

These articles discuss the changing of the sunrise and sunset throughout the year,

To be more clear, what I have quoted above is precisely what I've been talking about the whole time!

In your north-centric flat earth model, the sun cannot even appear to rise/set "south" of the Tropic of Capricorn.

 

[pckts]

To be more clear, what I have quoted above is precisely what I've been talking about the whole time!

In your north-centric flat earth model, the sun cannot even appear to rise/set "south" of the Tropic of Capricorn.

To be more clear, what I have highlighted in red, is precisely what I am waiting for you to provide evidence for. You claim the sun cannot do this on the flat earth model, while never providing evidence or acknowledgment it does it on the globe earth model.

I need evidence the sun does what you are saying it does in reality.

I do not dispute the sun's overhead path travels in between the boundaries of the tropic of cancer and the tropic of Capricorn, what I dispute is that the sun appears outside or past these boundaries.

So once again, I'm aware the sunset and sunrise position moves throughout the year and is responsible for the change in season. What I need evidence for is that the sun appears to be in a position past the tropic of Capricorn, which is the southernmost point the sun appears overhead at noon.

 

[Dino246]

Don't insult me, and don't tell me God is going to punish me for disagreeing with you and waiting for you to provide evidence.

Now provide me evidence. Stating two different things are following the same principle, and thus you don't have to provide me evidence for one of them, is not evidence.

I didn't intend to insult you; I apologize for my insulting words.

I'm not trolling you either, but I honestly cannot fathom how someone with a basic education could not grasp what I'm trying to explain. You don't need to believe that the earth is spherical to grasp the concept; that's why the basketball is an adequate analogue. Nor am I telling you about something strange, esoteric, or fanciful, for which my personal anecdote would be questionable. It's basic geometry, and basic observation you can do for yourself. There is nothing complex about it.

I'm honestly trying to tell you that what the articles were discussing (the perception that the sun rises/sets north of their locations) is exactly the same principle that I've been discussing the whole time; it's not two different things. The sun can illuminate a north-facing wall for exactly the same reason that it appears north of due east/west. Light moves in straight lines. The sun must, at least in some sense, be "north of" the building for it to illuminate a north-facing wall (south for southern hemisphere). On a globe earth, that is easily explained by the earth's tilt, in either hemisphere.

However, the same is not true of the southern hemisphere in the flat earth model you have proposed. The picture I posted in the other thread shows the sun rising in Sydney, south of the Tropic of Capricorn. The sun is never actually directly above that location, nor any location further south, anywhere on earth. However, from the camera's perspective, the sun is... south of due east.

Anyway, I can't think of a way to describe this any better. All I can do is encourage you to go outside around sunset early next summer. Figure out which way due west is, and note the location of the sun in relation to due west. It will be further north. It's really that simple.

 

[Seedz]

It's the same principle. Where the sun appears to rise and set is north of the tropic. The cause of that appearance is the cause of the north-facing wall being illuminated by the sun. I'm not claiming any "special phenomenon". I'm stating that what happens in the northern hemisphere also happens in the southern hemisphere.

Between early May and late August, the sun's position at sunrise or sunset, relative to an observer north of the Tropic of Cancer, is north of due east/due west. Six months around, in southern summer, the same thing happens, only "south" rather than "north". No special phenomenon; just simple geometry. You seem to think it's something esoteric; it's nothing of the sort.

Frankly, given the difficulty you're having in understanding this, I'm beginning to wonder at your level of basic intelligence. You did graduate from high school, didn't you? This is not that complex a concept! Either that or you're being a troll, and if so, you will receive justice from the Lord for your folly.

Ok,

I think you forgot to mention how the solstices relate to the orientation of the sun in the sky.

Currently the sun is rising from the north/ due east/west for people below the tropic of Capricorn.

Any place up to the tropic of Capricorn are currently seeing the sun rise from the south due east/west.

FYI...

This actually corroborates the FE model which has a sun traveling in circles around the earth clockwise and traveling north to south as the months go on, marking the tropics......

South of tropic of Capricorn
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North of tropic of Capricorn
SunCalc - sun position, sunlight phases, sunrise, sunset, dusk and dawn times calculator

 

[Dino246]

To be more clear, what I have highlighted in red, is precisely what I am waiting for you to provide evidence for. You claim the sun cannot do this on the flat earth model, while never providing evidence or acknowledgment it does it on the globe earth model.

I need evidence the sun does what you are saying it does in reality.

I do not dispute the sun's overhead path travels in between the boundaries of the tropic of cancer and the tropic of Capricorn, what I dispute is that the sun appears outside or past these boundaries.

So once again, I'm aware the sunset and sunrise position moves throughout the year and is responsible for the change in season. What I need evidence for is that the sun appears to be in a position past the tropic of Capricorn, which is the southernmost point the sun appears overhead at noon.

This is also simple to demonstrate. Draw a circle representing the Tropic of Capricorn, with the centre representing the North Pole, or "centre of the flat earth" in your model. Mark any point outside the circle, draw an arrow toward the circle centre, representing "north" from that point, and a perpendicular line representing east/west. The sun, moving within the circle, will never be further "south" than the point location. Try it with a piece of string if you don't believe me.

I'm not claiming that the sun is ever directly overhead outside the Tropics either. I am claiming that it appears outside the Tropics, which is what the articles discuss.

 

[Dino246]

Ok,

I think you forgot to mention how the solstices relate to the orientation of the sun in the sky.

Currently the sun is rising from the north/ due east/west for people below the tropic of Capricorn.

Any place up to the tropic of Capricorn are currently seeing the sun rise from the south due east/west.

FYI...

This actually corroborates the FE model which has a sun traveling in circles around the earth clockwise and traveling north to south as the months go on, marking the tropics......

South of tropic of Capricorn
SunCalc - sun position, sunlight phases, sunrise, sunset, dusk and dawn times calculator

North of tropic of Capricorn
SunCalc - sun position, sunlight phases, sunrise, sunset, dusk and dawn times calculator

Solstices mark the times of southernmost/northernmost zenith. The sun is at zenith over the Tropic of Capricorn at winter solstice. The solstice (time of year) is only marginally relevant to my argument. The Tropic is very relevant.

 

[Seedz]

I'm not trolling you either, but I honestly cannot fathom how someone with a basic education could not grasp what I'm trying to explain. You don't need to believe that the earth is spherical to grasp the concept; that's why the basketball is an adequate analogue. Nor am I telling you about something strange, esoteric, or fanciful, for which my personal anecdote would be questionable. It's basic geometry, and basic observation you can do for yourself. There is nothing complex about it.

Yes it is basic geometry and observation which actually makes more sense in a flat earth model. You actually have most of the concept right, except that you actually cant visualize what you just have said in a globe model with the sun as far away as they claim. Think of the sun moving almost in a spiral like way through the sky, except that the days are marked by the revolution around the earth and the inward and outward movement of the spiral represent the months. This also explains the months of light in the north pole.

I'm honestly trying to tell you that what the articles were discussing (the perception that the sun rises/sets north of their locations) is exactly the same principle that I've been discussing the whole time; it's not two different things. The sun can illuminate a north-facing wall for exactly the same reason that it appears north of due east/west. Light moves in straight lines. The sun must, at least in some sense, be "north of" the building for it to illuminate a north-facing wall (south for southern hemisphere). On a globe earth, that is easily explained by the earth's tilt, in either hemisphere.

The logic is all there and valid, the mechanism by which they say this is accomplished is fake and does sort of fit reality, well it has to, other wise they wouldn't be able to pull off the lie as easy..

However, the same is not true of the southern hemisphere in the flat earth model you have proposed. The picture I posted in the other thread shows the sun rising in Sydney, south of the Tropic of Capricorn. The sun is never actually directly above that location, nor any location further south, anywhere on earth. However, from the camera's perspective, the sun is... south of due east.

I dont think you understand what the Tropics are.... The tropics are the northern or southern most points in which the sun is directly over head. It basically marks the warmest parts of the year in the opposite sides of the equator in relation to the postition of the sun above the earth.

Remember that the earth dwarfs the sun as we can observe.

Remember that the sun moves in a sslow spiral thats why you think it doesnt make sense in a flat model.