FLAT EARTH

[pckts]

I explained the non-issue with time and date and with "credibility" of sources. Here is the link to my post, #526: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/153876-earth-flat-stationary-27.html

You responded by changing the line on your map representing the southernmost transit of the sun's path, so that it would encompass Sydney, AU. In the same thread, #745, GaryA responded to you with a firm rebuke for your response.

I guess my recollection is not so "fantastical".

Eventually, you may learn that accusing others of dishonesty, while committing it yourself, wins you nothing but scorn.

By the way, you still haven't provided a sound explanation, but rather dodge and swerve from dealing with this rather inconvenient truth.

If you gave me the time of year and day, we could compare it to the position of the sun at other locations on earth during this time and actually do something productive. You provide absolutely nothing other than "look where the sun at this unspecified time and date", and then sit back as if you found the smoking gun. Explain to me why this is a smoking gun.

 

[Dino246]

If you gave me the time of year and day, we could compare it to the position of the sun at other locations on earth during this time and actually do something productive. You provide absolutely nothing other than "look where the sun at this unspecified time and date", and then sit back as if you found the smoking gun. Explain to me why this is a smoking gun.

As I explained previously...

Sydney, Australia, is located at 33 degrees South of the Equator. The sun's southernmost point at any time of year is 23 degrees South of the Equator, along a line known as the Tropic of Capricorn. On a North-Pole-centric flat earth where the sun is only a few thousand miles distant, the sun simply cannot appear to be South of 23 degrees at any time! This is why the time and date are both irrelevant.

(blows smoke from barrel...)

 

[pckts]

As I explained previously...

Sydney, Australia, is located at 33 degrees South of the Equator. The sun's southernmost point at any time of year is 23 degrees South of the Equator, along a line known as the Tropic of Capricorn. On a North-Pole-centric flat earth where the sun is only a few thousand miles distant, the sun simply cannot appear to be South of 23 degrees at any time! This is why the time and date are both irrelevant.

(blows smoke from barrel...)

I don't understand. Are you claiming the sun appears past the tropic of Capricorn in your photo? I don't believe this, and even if it was true how would this be a flat earth issue, wouldn't this be both a flat earth and a globe earth issue? The sun is vertical above the tropic of capricorn, you are claiming you have evidence this isn't true? Explain how even if your evidence was credible and true, this is specifically a flat earth issue.

This would be an issue with the flat earth maps, of which there isn't an official one, not an issue with the flat earth theory. Are you claiming the maps don't have australia positioned properly?

 

[pckts]

As I explained previously...

Sydney, Australia, is located at 33 degrees South of the Equator. The sun's southernmost point at any time of year is 23 degrees South of the Equator, along a line known as the Tropic of Capricorn. On a North-Pole-centric flat earth where the sun is only a few thousand miles distant, the sun simply cannot appear to be South of 23 degrees at any time! This is why the time and date are both irrelevant.

(blows smoke from barrel...)

It sounds like you have an issue with the placement of the tropic of capricorn. I think the issue is that your evidence is incorrect, rather than the placement of the tropic of capricorn is wrong.

 

[tanakh]

I promise to never post flat earth again.

It is a moot point.

Not because I want to appease you guys, but because there really is nothing that I can say in any way that will convince you to look at things differently.

I already stated how to convince me. Simply take me to the edge. If thats not financially possible give me the route I need to start from the Uk and I will go there alone. No need for dodgy Photos and charts seeing is believing.

 

[Dino246]

I don't understand. Are you claiming the sun appears past the tropic of Capricorn in your photo? I don't believe this, and even if it was true how would this be a flat earth issue, wouldn't this be both a flat earth and a globe earth issue? The sun is vertical above the tropic of capricorn, you are claiming you have evidence this isn't true? Explain how even if your evidence was credible and true, this is specifically a flat earth issue.

This would be an issue with the flat earth maps, of which there isn't an official one, not an issue with the flat earth theory. Are you claiming the maps don't have australia positioned properly?

The photos I posted in the other thread show the sun rising to the SE of the Opera House in Sydney, which is south of the ToC. This is quite possible on a globe earth due to the tilt of the earth. When it rises (or sets), the tilt angle leads to the sun appearing in a sky position south of the observer (in the southern hemisphere summer). I'm not suggesting there are any errors with data or map placement; rather, an error with the flat earth theory that puts the "north pole" at the centre of the disc and the southernmost parts of the planet at the disc's extremities. That's the model every flat-earther has been using, where any is used. In that model, the sun can never appear more southerly of such a location.

 

[Dude653]

The Narrative that NASA is lying doesn't hold water because Flat Earth was disproven over 2000 years ago

 

[pckts]

The photos I posted in the other thread show the sun rising to the SE of the Opera House in Sydney, which is south of the ToC. This is quite possible on a globe earth due to the tilt of the earth. When it rises (or sets), the tilt angle leads to the sun appearing in a sky position south of the observer (in the southern hemisphere summer). I'm not suggesting there are any errors with data or map placement; rather, an error with the flat earth theory that puts the "north pole" at the centre of the disc and the southernmost parts of the planet at the disc's extremities. That's the model every flat-earther has been using, where any is used. In that model, the sun can never appear more southerly of such a location.

The tropic of Capricorn is the southernmost point the sun appears directly vertical overhead. You are claiming it can "appear" further than this due to the tilt, when the tilt itself is responsible for the tropic of Capricorn and appearance of the sun's position in the first place. You are claiming the phenomenon that causes the tropics to appear where they do, the tilt, is also causing it to appear in a different location than the tropic by definition defines? I do not follow this logic, nor do I agree with its conclusion.

The tilt can't cause the tropics and also cause the sun to appear in a different location than the tropics, this by definition would move the point of the tropic of Capricorn as it's defined by "appearance" of the sun.

Sorry I don't agree the sun appears south of the tropic of cancer.

I found that there are claims that the axis of the earth itself has shifted, and the sun is now appearing more north than the previously defined tropic of cancer, and more south than the previously defined tropic of capricorn. I would be willing to believe this explanation for what you are describing before I would believe what ever it is you are saying, but I would need evidence of this before I would believe it as well.

Changes in the Sun's Position

Either way, this does not disprove a flat earth, as the sun's path on the flat earth could change, just as the globe people are claiming the axis of the earth has changed.

If you can provide evidence that the sun can appear further south than the tropic of Capricorn, in Australia or anywhere on earth, you will also have to prove to me that this doesn't mean the tropics themselves have shifted. It seems by definition what you are claiming about the appearance would shift the tropics, which does not disprove a flat earth.

I looked for information to verify your claim that the sun can appear past the tropic of capricorn could not find anything. The only thing I found is the claim that the tropics themselves have shifted, which I can't confirm.

 

[pckts]

The Narrative that NASA is lying doesn't hold water because Flat Earth was disproven over 2000 years ago

NASA could be lying even if it was a globe, to lie you only need to fake videos, images, and tell false stories/information, which they are doing. Your logic isn't correct, now insult my logic for believing the earth is flat and we can both move on.

 

[Susanna]

NASA could be lying even if it was a globe, to lie you only need to fake videos, images, and tell false stories/information, which they are doing. Your logic isn't correct, now insult my logic for believing the earth is flat and we can both move on.

Why would they be lying?

 

[pckts]

The tropic of Capricorn is the southernmost point the sun appears directly vertical overhead. You are claiming it can "appear" further than this due to the tilt, when the tilt itself is responsible for the tropic of Capricorn and appearance of the sun's position in the first place. You are claiming the phenomenon that causes the tropics to appear where they do, the tilt, is also causing it to appear in a different location than the tropic by definition defines? I do not follow this logic, nor do I agree with its conclusion.

The tilt can't cause the tropics and also cause the sun to appear in a different location than the tropics, this by definition would move the point of the tropic of Capricorn as it's defined by "appearance" of the sun.

Sorry I don't agree the sun appears south of the tropic of cancer.

I found that there are claims that the axis of the earth itself has shifted, and the sun is now appearing more north than the previously defined tropic of cancer, and more south than the previously defined tropic of capricorn. I would be willing to believe this explanation for what you are describing before I would believe what ever it is you are saying, but I would need evidence of this before I would believe it as well.

Changes in the Sun's Position

Either way, this does not disprove a flat earth, as the sun's path on the flat earth could change, just as the globe people are claiming the axis of the earth has changed.

If you can provide evidence that the sun can appear further south than the tropic of Capricorn, in Australia or anywhere on earth, you will also have to prove to me that this doesn't mean the tropics themselves have shifted. It seems by definition what you are claiming about the appearance would shift the tropics, which does not disprove a flat earth.

I looked for information to verify your claim that the sun can appear past the tropic of capricorn could not find anything. The only thing I found is the claim that the tropics themselves have shifted, which I can't confirm.

Error: *Sorry I don't agree the sun appears south of the tropic of Capricorn.

 

[Dude653]

What would be the point of NASA lying seeing as how Flat Earth was already disproved over 2000 years ago?
And what would be the point of NASA lying anyway? Are they just bored don't have anything else to do and decided to troll America for 50 years?

 

[pckts]

Why would they be lying?

What would be the point of NASA lying seeing as how Flat Earth was already disproved over 2000 years ago?
And what would be the point of NASA lying anyway? Are they just bored don't have anything else to do and decided to troll America for 50 years?

The same reason and point satan lies. I know I don't have to describe to you why people lie in theory, so I'm always perplexed when people ask why NASA would lie.

Why have they chosen to lie and say they are exploring outer space, rather than just leave it as it was? That has to do with their agenda and I'm not privy to that information, I can speculate but I don't have the facts on their purpose, but I'm sure it's not just to divert tax dollars and reaffirm the model.

They are claiming they are discovering life or signs of life outside of earth now, that could be one of many reasons.

 

[Dude653]

The same reason and point satan lies. I know I don't have to describe to you why people lie in theory, so I'm always perplexed when people ask why NASA would lie.

Because they have no motive to. It would be pointless.
So you think someone created an entire organization and is paying people just fake space exploration
Just take a moment to think about how asinine that sounds

 

[pckts]

Because they have no motive to. It would be pointless.
So you think someone created an entire organization and is paying people just fake space exploration
Just take a moment to think about how asinine that sounds

I'm already using that moment to think about how asinine it sounds to think there would be no motive on their part.

 

[Dude653]

I'm already using that moment to think about how asinine it sounds to think there would be no motive on their part.

What exactly what their motive be?

 

[pckts]

What exactly what their motive be?

Let's create a closed loop argument:

The same reason and point satan lies. I know I don't have to describe to you why people lie in theory, so I'm always perplexed when people ask why NASA would lie.

Why have they chosen to lie and say they are exploring outer space, rather than just leave it as it was? That has to do with their agenda and I'm not privy to that information, I can speculate but I don't have the facts on their purpose, but I'm sure it's not just to divert tax dollars and reaffirm the model.

They are claiming they are discovering life or signs of life outside of earth now, that could be one of many reasons.

Now tell me that's asinine again and then I'll tell you it's asinine to think the opposite, and then we can repeat this exchange and keep it going all night.

 

[Dude653]

So how do you suppose suppose gps works?
It must be magic from Satan.
I can pull up Google Earth and see a live image of some guy's house and China or Afghanistan if I wanted to.
This is accomplished by satellites that are orbiting our Earth

 

[breno785au]

So how do you suppose suppose gps works?
It must be magic from Satan.
I can pull up Google Earth and see a live image of some guy's house and China or Afghanistan if I wanted to.
This is accomplished by satellites that are orbiting our Earth

Just use the F work... Fake.


Done.

 

[Dude653]

Just use the F work... Fake.


Done.

Only I know GPS isn't fake because I use it all the time on my phone.