The King James Bible

[fredoheaven]

Translations of the Bible are poor substitutes for the word of God given to us in the ancient languages—and the poorness of the substitute is greatly increased by the use of an inaccurate translation in archaic English! Moreover, no translation of the Bible is a really good one unless the user of it understands the guiding principles and practices that the translators followed—and that is why it is so very important to very carefully read and understand the information provided in the preface.

Do you mean translation is not the words of God? Translation is not about substitution. It is the equivalent rendering in other languages. What is really needed to understand God’s word is Prayer and study. The Preface of any Bible including the KJV is not given by inspiration. The text of the KJV is!

 

[posthuman]

Do you mean translation is not the words of God? Translation is not about substitution. It is the equivalent rendering in other languages. What is really needed to understand God’s word is Prayer and study. The Preface of any Bible including the KJV is not given by inspiration. The text of the KJV is!

According to what you just said, it is the text of the original language that is the inspired word of God, and the kjv, just as any other faithful translation into any language, is merely an 'equivalent rendering'

 

[fredoheaven]

According to what you just said, it is the text of the original language that is the inspired word of God, and the kjv, just as any other faithful translation into any language, is merely an 'equivalent rendering'

Precise translation in English like the KJV along with the original language of the Bible written by the prophets of old and the Apostles is/are given by the inspiration of God.

God bless

 

[wolfwint]

Why are you even wasting your time asking me questions then?

I am not wasting my time in asking you . Its sad when on the one hand say you have something special what everybody should know, but on the other hand being unclear in saying what it is and in which way we should benefit from it. If there is no different from the word which we find in the bible, it seems to me difficult to understand why to follow this.

 

[preacher4truth]

Of course KJV says I need to study. You are offering me a statement that there’s a no need to study. Better is that we need studying. The KJV says God has stamped approval to those who study 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God”, what about yours?

Where does the passage say God has stamped approval to those who study; 2 Timothy 2:15? Are you attempting to convey thought from the passage? Why do you give yourself this liberty of conveying thought into Scripture, but trip out when the NASB says "he then became hungry" which is conveying thought?

 

[John146]

Well, the apostles were leading folks to salvation after Jesus ascended and before the 4 gospels were written, true? I originally put my trust in an idea somebody told me about, but I talked to Jesus after I read about and studied Him, then asked Him to come into my heart, and He did, for real, and the Holy Spirit came into me for real. The faith comes in that I can't see him, but I know he is there, and will always be there, and that he does everything he promises. So I study scripture because it helps to have it all in writing also. But he teaches me things that are not in scripture also, just like my dad taught me things that were just for me, and not my siblings.

Not that scripture is not important, it's very important, just that so many folks today think that all they need is to recite some verses and say a repeat-after-me prayer and they are saved, when they really do have to go to the Father through Jesus, that it's not the words in the book that save them, but the Word (Jesus; John1) in real life. And it's that simple, and all the numbers and patterns in the world won't change this.

The disciples were teaching what Jesus told them to teach. That's Scripture! The word of God.

 

[trofimus]

The disciples were teaching what Jesus told them to teach. That's Scripture! The word of God.

Scriptures do not equal to word of God. Scriptures contain the word of God.

Bible does not equal Scriptures. Its a compilation, translation/interpretation and print of Scriptures.

 

[John146]

Do you mean translation is not the words of God? Translation is not about substitution. It is the equivalent rendering in other languages. What is really needed to understand God’s word is Prayer and study. The Preface of any Bible including the KJV is not given by inspiration. The text of the KJV is!

Good point. The "originals" were full of translations from one language to another.

 

[trofimus]

Good point. The "originals" were full of translations from one language to another.

But the KJV authors had no special inspiration and did not claim to have it. They used their best knowledge, sources and skills as they say clearly in preface.

 

[John146]

Scriptures do not equal to word of God. Scriptures contain the word of God.

Bible does not equal Scriptures. Its a compilation, translation/interpretation and print of Scriptures.

The Scriptures are personified, yet there were no written copies of the word of God during the reign of Pharaoh.

Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

 

[John146]

But the KJV authors had no special inspiration and did not claim to have it. They used their best knowledge, sources and skills as they say clearly in preface.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you believe all Scripture was given by inspiration of God or is given?

Did God inspire words and then lost them?

Did God inspire words and commanded to live by them and not preserve them for us?

 

[hornetguy]

When words are changed, the meaning is changed. As the English language we speak continues to devolve, I guess we continue to change the words of God to devolve with us?

If that was the case, then we all should learn Greek, so that the language differences won't hinder our study.

Greek has nuances that cannot be exactly expressed in English, according to the Greek scholars I've heard.... so, the KJV translators "devolved" the language so that the people of that time could read and understand in their language of the day.

No difference...

 

[John146]

If that was the case, then we all should learn Greek, so that the language differences won't hinder our study.

Greek has nuances that cannot be exactly expressed in English, according to the Greek scholars I've heard.... so, the KJV translators "devolved" the language so that the people of that time could read and understand in their language of the day.

No difference...

God has perfectly preserved His words in the English language. Do you doubt the power of God to do this? Is God limited to a certain language?

 

[hornetguy]

Ahh then that explains it, I miss read what you had said, I thought you were saying I had a numbers fetish.

i do agree with you about the KJV bible it is a good translation, I'm not going to say it is the best by no means, lol.

i apologize if I had said anything unfairly or wrongly to you, it is always refreshing to see someone explain what they meant, I do admire things like that, and I do respect you brother,

as I do you, as well...

Many times I type something, and come back later and think.... "did I really mean it the way it sounds?"

The written word, on the internet is not the most efficient way to have a discussion... it enables misunderstandings frequently.

emojis can only go so far....

 

[hornetguy]

God has perfectly preserved His words in the English language. Do you doubt the power of God to do this? Is God limited to a certain language?

You and I have danced this dance several times.... I never doubt the power of God... nor do I limit the power of God to a 400 year old translation.

That is why we have the word of God translated into so many different languages. Most nearly all of them are excellent, and are the "pure words of God".... and if anything is "lost in translation", I trust the Spirit to lead the reader to understanding.

You DO believe the Spirit is God, right?

 

[hornetguy]

Good post. Which translation(s) do you like the best?

I have been using the NASB lately. I also like the NLT for just "reading".

I just got a copy of the Modern Literal Translation that I am beginning to look through. It's an interesting translation, but I have no opinion yet of its accuracy.

 

[trofimus]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you believe all Scripture was given by inspiration of God or is given?

Did God inspire words and then lost them?

Did God inspire words and commanded to live by them and not preserve them for us?

Again, Bible does not equal Scriptures.

Bible is a library/compilation, translation/interpretation and print of manuscripts of Scriptures. Made by the best effort of educated Christians, but without direct divine inspiration.

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Note, there is no "is" or "was" in Greek. There is only "All Scriptures breathed by God", without any time specification. "Is" or "was" is interpretation of translators, not something present in original Scriptures.

 

[John146]

You and I have danced this dance several times.... I never doubt the power of God... nor do I limit the power of God to a 400 year old translation.

That is why we have the word of God translated into so many different languages. Most nearly all of them are excellent, and are the "pure words of God".... and if anything is "lost in translation", I trust the Spirit to lead the reader to understanding.

You DO believe the Spirit is God, right?

"Pure words of God"? Do you really believe this? If so, you wouldn't mess with any of the words, but believe every word to be true. Where are the pure words of God in the English language?

 

[John146]

I have been using the NASB lately. I also like the NLT for just "reading".

I just got a copy of the Modern Literal Translation that I am beginning to look through. It's an interesting translation, but I have no opinion yet of its accuracy.

Is the NASB, the NLT, or the MLT the pure words of God? There can't be more than one since they all contain different words and meanings.

 

[John146]

Again, Bible does not equal Scriptures.

Bible is a library/compilation, translation/interpretation and print of manuscripts of Scriptures. Made by the best effort of educated Christians, but without direct divine inspiration.

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Note, there is no "is" or "was" in Greek. There is only "All Scriptures breathed by God", without any time specification. "Is" or "was" is interpretation of translators, not something present in original Scriptures.

Did God inspire words and then lost them?

Did God inspire words and commanded to live by them and not preserve them for us?