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There was a muslim on here the other day arguing that the koran was superior because it said the earth was a globe. People on here want us to provide definitive biblical proof it's flat, when we provide scripture that implies more strongly it's flat than globe it's interpreted figuratively and dismissed. Meanwhile there is nothing definitive it's a globe or even implies that it is, yet they use this "proof" test against flat when it favors the globe even less.
There was 1 or 2 people that read my exchanges with the close minded and either PMed me they came to believe it was flat, or there was this one guy who I explained the premise to on a thread and after better understanding it he did his own research and changed his mind. You need to start out very distrusting of the government and be humble enough to consider you were fooled, without that it's near impossible for them to investigate. You can't get an atheist to invest hours reading scripture, and even if you forced him they sometimes lack what is necessary to understand the meaning of it.
I can show this footage of the liftoff from the moon that obviously looks fake:
[video=youtube;BMBcLg0DkLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMBcLg0DkLA[/video]
The deceived look at this and completely lack critical examination ability, they see it as evidence of a moon takeoff and adjust there reality to the film, rather than applying what they know about rocket takeoffs and 60's studio production special effects. They adjust their truth to the film, rather than apply their truth to the film and actually decide for themselves what they are looking at.
We are somewhere in between bargaining and acceptance:
We've overcome the shock, denial, and anger about the situation. Now by arguing with the deceived you are trying to bargain with reality and test out different ways to make them see what is occurring. I'm not sure how to accept the situation or if we should, right now I'm only trying to talk to be open to the possibility and interested in it.
There was 1 or 2 people that read my exchanges with the close minded and either PMed me they came to believe it was flat, or there was this one guy who I explained the premise to on a thread and after better understanding it he did his own research and changed his mind. You need to start out very distrusting of the government and be humble enough to consider you were fooled, without that it's near impossible for them to investigate. You can't get an atheist to invest hours reading scripture, and even if you forced him they sometimes lack what is necessary to understand the meaning of it.
I can show this footage of the liftoff from the moon that obviously looks fake:
[video=youtube;BMBcLg0DkLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMBcLg0DkLA[/video]
The deceived look at this and completely lack critical examination ability, they see it as evidence of a moon takeoff and adjust there reality to the film, rather than applying what they know about rocket takeoffs and 60's studio production special effects. They adjust their truth to the film, rather than apply their truth to the film and actually decide for themselves what they are looking at.
We are somewhere in between bargaining and acceptance:
We've overcome the shock, denial, and anger about the situation. Now by arguing with the deceived you are trying to bargain with reality and test out different ways to make them see what is occurring. I'm not sure how to accept the situation or if we should, right now I'm only trying to talk to be open to the possibility and interested in it.
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Buddy, you and pckts are both younger than me, and think you know it all. You don't. You say I'm deaf and blind, but I'm well aware of what's going on around me. Maybe you should reserve your judgment on yourself, cause it's gonna come back to you any ways. And honestly, you haven't learned squat except to disagree. Unless God specifically spoke to you and showed you the world is flat, then you haven't learned anything.
12 men have walked on the moon, another 6 have orbited it. Over 500 people now, have orbited the earth. Thousands of people have been involved in the space program. All of them would have to be liars, and keep the secrets for over 60 years now. Not that many people can keep a secret that long, and I haven't seen where a mass grave of NASA employees with bullets to the back of the head, has turned up.
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you know I have looked into it and I have offered a my finding to every flat earther I have met on here and none of them have even responded to it let alone be able to refute it.
Think of this, you are aware of how the sun has it's own gravitational pull right? well the sun has a much larger gravitational pull than the moon does but because of the moons mass it is not pulled into the fiery star mass is the reason it can do this and since it is an orb shape it has a good amount of mass and it's gravitational pull affects the tides of the ocean on earth.
Now if say the earth is flat then it have little to no mass compared to the moon and and the sun and thus would pulled directly into whatever has the greatest pull and that being the sun. yet the earth is exactly where it is neither to close nor to far away from the sun, if the earth were even a mile away from the sun it would be drastically colder here and vise versa if it was a mile closer to the sun in which we would all roast and fry.
Now let me ask you how do you explain this?
Think of this, you are aware of how the sun has it's own gravitational pull right? well the sun has a much larger gravitational pull than the moon does but because of the moons mass it is not pulled into the fiery star mass is the reason it can do this and since it is an orb shape it has a good amount of mass and it's gravitational pull affects the tides of the ocean on earth.
Now if say the earth is flat then it have little to no mass compared to the moon and and the sun and thus would pulled directly into whatever has the greatest pull and that being the sun. yet the earth is exactly where it is neither to close nor to far away from the sun, if the earth were even a mile away from the sun it would be drastically colder here and vise versa if it was a mile closer to the sun in which we would all roast and fry.
Now let me ask you how do you explain this?
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How do they stay quiet about 9/11, WMD in Iraq, Kennedy Assassination (among many others), rigging elections, keeping us dependent on fossil fuels, the military industrial complex, the federal reserve, promoting homosexuality as a positive and true thing among many other liberal agendas, the corruption in the prison/justice system, corruption/funding of the education system, and the numerous false flag attacks to start wars or take guns?
Money, threats, and using people to participate morally bankrupt and loyal to money and afraid of threats. We also have a very controlled media that chooses which information to distribute and suppress.
Money, threats, and using people to participate morally bankrupt and loyal to money and afraid of threats. We also have a very controlled media that chooses which information to distribute and suppress.
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You are applying the globe model to parts of the flat model. You are taking the mass of the sun, earth, and moon from the globe model and the claim they have gravitational pulls, and then coming over to the flat model with these beliefs and denying it because parts from an outside model do not fit on the flat model. You are also taking the temperatures and distances of the sun and earth and applying it to the flat model.
You never came to me with these "findings" and if you did I guarantee I told you what I just did. Of course if you take the massive and hot sun from the globe model and stick it above the flat earth it would roast the entire thing, but what does this prove? Can I take the tiny sun from the flat earth model and apply it to the globe model and say it's too small and not hot enough to heat the globe earth?
I don't see how the earth being flat would mean it would have little to no mass (the claim is the surface is mostly flat outside of elevations changes, not that it's flat like a piece of paper and even a piece of paper has mass), and applying the globe concept of planets, suns, and moons having a gravitational pull on the flat earth model is inaccurate and meaningless.
Don't apply parts from incompatible models to one another.
You never came to me with these "findings" and if you did I guarantee I told you what I just did. Of course if you take the massive and hot sun from the globe model and stick it above the flat earth it would roast the entire thing, but what does this prove? Can I take the tiny sun from the flat earth model and apply it to the globe model and say it's too small and not hot enough to heat the globe earth?
I don't see how the earth being flat would mean it would have little to no mass (the claim is the surface is mostly flat outside of elevations changes, not that it's flat like a piece of paper and even a piece of paper has mass), and applying the globe concept of planets, suns, and moons having a gravitational pull on the flat earth model is inaccurate and meaningless.
Don't apply parts from incompatible models to one another.
a globe model? My friend I basing this on how the universe works not a piece of plastic. If you cannot understand the basics of science and how the universe works then you should not be trying to prove a flat earth. ok take this for instance you have a flat piece of paper you know how heavy it feels if you lift in your hand right? now roll that paper into a tight ball and lift it in your hand do you feel any difference? the ball is slight more heavy right? now is that based on a plastic model or is that you telling the difference between the mass of a flat paper and a balled up one?
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Logic and reasoning is how we support all of our beliefs, whether biblical, conspiracy theories, or mainstream accepted facts. Logic and reasoning is how we navigate the world and do everything, if we put faith in something we use logic and reason to consider the source is something worth trusting and putting faith into when we don't fully understand the truth behind it.
I'm using logic and reason to stand behind what I subscribe to, even if it's contrary to what you believe.
I see how it may appear foolish when you spend your entire life believing it's a globe, are taught in grade school people use to think you would sail off the edge, and trust that authority is providing you the truth openly and honestly. It may seem foolish under the circumstances and conditions you are currently living under. I completely understand your viewpoint, I once believed it myself. The difference between flat earthers and globe earthers is that "we" understand your beliefs and why you believe them because we once did ourselves.
No, you don't need to honor me or put any faith in me at all (i actually want you to investigate what I say yourself, especially the video and images) and I'm not divine whatsoever. My brain is younger and healthier than yours, that's why.
I'm using logic and reason to stand behind what I subscribe to, even if it's contrary to what you believe.
I see how it may appear foolish when you spend your entire life believing it's a globe, are taught in grade school people use to think you would sail off the edge, and trust that authority is providing you the truth openly and honestly. It may seem foolish under the circumstances and conditions you are currently living under. I completely understand your viewpoint, I once believed it myself. The difference between flat earthers and globe earthers is that "we" understand your beliefs and why you believe them because we once did ourselves.
No, you don't need to honor me or put any faith in me at all (i actually want you to investigate what I say yourself, especially the video and images) and I'm not divine whatsoever. My brain is younger and healthier than yours, that's why.
Umm.....no not quite.....you just think you know it all. You're the one who is deceived into thinking the Earth is flat. You're a flat earther and you always will be. I work in this field every day. I know what's real and what is not. Some of my family are members who work for NASA here in Huntsville, Alabama, and they can flat out tell you that the Earth is round. You don't work in this field, you have NO knowledge of it whatsoever. You need to take your know it all, ignorant conspiracy loving attitude and take it somewhere where you can really deceive people, weak minded people such as yourself