Your misunderstanding of one verse in the Bible does not make the rest of the Bible void.
GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Your misunderstanding of one verse in the Bible does not make the rest of the Bible void.
I know Him. I know love. They are one in the same. I try to keep His commandments because I love Him, alas, I am a flawed being and no one is without sin...but knowing we could not keep the law is the reason for Grace in the first place. As the Lord continues to grow me in His word, He grows my fruit. I will also say that Faith is not the victory that overcomes the world...Love is Christ...Christ is what has already won in victory over sin and death and this world!
As for the question of this thread...we listen to God. The word was God.
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Indeed but are you listening to God (the question is between you and God only no need to answer here)? If God asks you through His Word to do something and you do NOT do it are you practicing FAITH or UNBELIEF? Faith in God's WORD is INDEED the victory because it is written;
1 John 5
4, For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and THIS IS THE VICTORY THAT OVERCOMES THE WORLD, EVEN OUR FAITH.
WE cannot LOVE as he first LOVED us unless we are BORN AGAIN through FAITH to FOLLOW HIM in LOVE who first LOVED US. IF we are still in our SINS we do NOT KNOW HIM (James 2:19; 1 John 4:8; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 13:8-10)
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word..
Originally Posted by rstrats
LoveGodForever,
re: "Choose to BELIEVE God's Word or not it is up to you."
re: "We must choose to BELIEVE God's Word or NOT."
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but are you actually suggesting that beliefs can be consciously chosen?
Forgive me. I am not sure as I believe I answered you already with this post...........
Simply put we choose to BELIEVE GOD'S WORD or choose NOT to BELIEVE GOD'S WORD when a KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH is presented to us or we read it in God's WORD.
We are only accountable to God for what we KNOW and not for what we DO NOT know. God's sheep hear His VOICE (the WORD) because they seek HIM through the WORD and by FAITH follow HIM. ONLY the SPIRIT of GOD can guide you and is the teacher that all must have to learn and FOLLOW HIM who LOVES all.
May God bless you as you continue in His Word....
Its about what God's Word actually says, not what some religious franchise owners say.
Jesus didn't create a New "New Covenant". He fulfilled what He promised before He became a man in the Old Testament.
Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Where is it written that His Laws are changed? Where is it written that His Laws are no longer required? If His laws mean nothing as you preach, why would He find it necessary to write them on our hearts?
You preach that we all broke God's Commandments and were guilty of sin the penalty to which is death. Yes? WE agree regarding this truth.
But you preach that after Jesus forgives us of breaking God's Commandments that He gives us different laws than the ones we broke. Because the ones we broke were from the Old Covenant.
But Jesus, before He became a man said this.
Ex. 34:1 And the LORD(Jesus) said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
So the Bible teaches that the New Covenant had nothing to do with the definition of sin. The New covenant was a change in the way God's Laws are administered. (No more Levite Priests to go to hear them read God's Word.) Jesus will write His Laws in our heart Himself.
And the way sins were cleansed. No more Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins) Jesus will sacrifice Himself for our sins once and for all.
The Mainstream preachers of His time didn't believe this truth and neither do you.
It's about what the Word of God says Valient, all the Word, not church tradition.
Hebrews 8 talks about the New Covenant. in detail. more disinformation from the Hebrew roots- sda. another fail.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Sabbath" is word #G4520 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…[/FONT]
v. 6,7 the author was not quoting from Jer. I am not preaching anything, I am stating what the Bible says. the title of Hebrews 8 is mediator of a better covenant.
Which version is that? None I look at say that. They say something more along the lines of there being a Sabbath rest we enter into, and is followed by 4:10~ for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from His.
Hebrews 4:9 [FONT="]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.[/FONT]
let me explain something to you- when you, me or anyone else makes definitive statements about Scripture, then all references should be taken into account. what you and others do is called reductionism. you carefully select verses that only back up your points, without considering all Scripture on the subject matter.
like this- the letter to the Hebrews was written to jewish Christians who were being persecuted for accepting Jesus as Savior, and were thinking about turning back to Judaism . not to establish Christianity as a different version of Judaism.
Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520)to the people of YHWH."
In my prior post I posted the wrongroot word, here is the correct one:
#G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences
“keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: akeeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest
Yet all translations are not true to the original Greek language:
Hebrews 4:9
New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
New Living Translation
So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God.
English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
Berean Study Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
King James Bible
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
why does the sabbath remain?
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
as none have yet entered the truwe rest that it represents:
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]
Well that's pretty dumb.
[FONT="]Hebrews 4:10 [/FONT] [FONT="]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT]Its defined right there.
Its not a keeping of a sabbath. Its a cease from works.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]Is that a keeping of the sabbath or a cease from works?
Ok. So is there some scriptures that I can read that teach this? And if you think my post is wrong, is it wrong according to the Bible? Or is it just wrong according to your church tradition?
Really. You have been very critical of every post and every scripture I post, yet you offer no answers yourself other than I’m wrong because you say I’m wrong.
I asked you where God ever said it was against God to eat with unwashed hands. You got mad and insulted me for the question. I asked where is it written that God writes different laws on our heart than Jesus walked in.
You accuse me of twisting scripture and not using all scripture to form my belief, if that is true then show me how I do this. I’m not trying to convert you to anything. I’m not SDA, or any other religious franchise yet you say I am.
You make a claim regarding Hebrews teaching. Why can’t you ever seem to back your statements up with the whole Bible. If you agree with it all that should be easy.
I’m a big boy, if I am wrong, I will change. I have no agenda, no church doctrine to defend. I just want to serve God/Jesus in the short time on this earth. If you make an accusation of a brother you should be able to back it up with God’s Word, All of it, not just one or two scriptures you can use to make your point, right?