The Rapture

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Bladerunner

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this thread has over 390 posts on it. Every conceivable idea about or NOT about the Rapture has been tested here/ WHich means it is simply a circle argument. It is great for the trolls and those who answer them.

As far as the Rapture goes, By the time someone who really wants to know about possibility of a Rapture could not get it here. All they would get is argument.

The ecumenical evangelists win one more time. There is something to be said about the prophecy of False teachers and those that will listen and believe.

We have a one WOrld Religion coming upon us swiftly and without resistance. Those who deny it are not watching the signs?



 
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The ecumenical evangelists win one more time. There is something to be said about the prophecy of False teachers and those that will listen and believe.

We have a one WOrld Religion coming upon us swiftly and without resistance. Those who deny it are not watching the signs?



amen brother! its coming swiftly and without resistance. start watching them signs folks.

its all lining up. take a look at whats going on around israel in the middle-east and compare it to bible prophecy.
take a look at the one world religion
take a look at what they are doing to societies around the world, turning everything upside down. everything is in reverse. the devil makes everything go opposite of what God says.

if u take a look at all of that and still dont believe this is the last days........ unbelievable.
 
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The position Jesus takes is mat 25.
He gathers his bride.
I will stick to that
 

tanakh

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Yes you're right Babyon, not Egypt... but spiritual Babylon is Israel. Isaiah 13 is the same story as Joel.

Isaiah 13:10 KJV
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Yes Israel is Spiritual Babylon. Anyone who reads Ezekiel will see that. Revelation follows the the book of Ezekiel in at least twenty references and Ezekiel is a message for Israel. Also Revelation calls Jerusalem,(Where the Lord was crucified) Sodom and Egypt. Anyone looking round the world for the location of Babylon need to look no further.
 

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5 SECOND EDIT TIME !!!!

Sorry... CYRUS not Syrus !!!

SEE the beauty of "flee to the mountains"/ "flies to the wilderness"

Isaiah 25;
Praise to the Lord

25 Lord, you are my God;
I will exalt you and praise your name,
for in perfect faithfulness
you have done wonderful things,
things planned long ago.
2 You have made the city a heap of rubble,
the fortified town a ruin,
the foreigners’ stronghold a city no more;
it will never be rebuilt.
3 Therefore strong peoples will honor you;
cities of ruthless nations will revere you.
4 You have been a refuge for the poor,
a refuge for the needy in their distress,
a shelter from the storm
and a shade from the heat.
For the breath of the ruthless
is like a storm driving against a wall
5 and like the heat of the desert.
You silence the uproar of foreigners;
as heat is reduced by the shadow of a cloud, (as at Exodus).
so the song of the ruthless is stilled.


6 On this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for all peoples,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines.
7 On this mountain he will destroy
the shroud that enfolds all peoples,
the sheet that covers all nations;
8 he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove his people’s disgrace
from all the earth.
The Lord has spoken.


9 In that day they will say,
“Surely this is our God;
we trusted in him, and he saved us.
(What rapture)?

This is the Lord, we trusted in him;
let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.”


10 The hand of the Lord will rest on this mountain; (Kingdom of GOD, our Lord preached).
but Moab will be trampled in their land
as straw is trampled down in the manure.
11 They will stretch out their hands in it,
as swimmers stretch out their hands to swim.
God will bring down their pride
despite the cleverness[a] of their hands.
12 He will bring down your high fortified walls
and lay them low;
he will bring them down to the ground,
to the very dust. (Waiting for a rapture).

Hey my brothers...READ the WHOLE Bible.

:) peace is good.

Now reconcile the scriptures you quoted with Daniel, Revelation, and several end times verses in the Gospels and epistles.

Oops
 

Endoscopy

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Yes the WHOLE BIBLE is the word of GOD.
To say the pretrib rapture is the GREEK SCRIPTURES ....MYSTERY of GOD... is sick !
Isaiah prophesied before the destruction by BABYLON.
This TRUE man of GOD...FORETOLD SYRUS...200 years or so before Syrus was even born...and Syrus would allow the temple to be rebuilt...FOR our Lords FIRST APPEARANCE !!! iSAIAH 45

Isaiah prophesied our Lords return, AND THIS ; (should break your heart).

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.


4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.


7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.


10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

So...are the prophets GOD'S word ?
For SURE...so do not listen to MAN !

You say the word Greek scriptures is sick. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but Textus Receptus is the earliest complete New Testament dated 400 AD and written in Greek. Earlier fragments of the New Testament also are in Greek. Greek was the common language of that era. Like today English is used commonly.
 
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The best thing to do is to have all your faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, with all your heart, mind and soul, so even if there isn't a Rapture, you will be His when you leave this walk of life, and if the Rapture does take place, you will meet Him in the air! Praise Jesus!
 

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The best thing to do is to have all your faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, with all your heart, mind and soul, so even if there isn't a Rapture, you will be His when you leave this walk of life, and if the Rapture does take place, you will meet Him in the air! Praise Jesus!
I agree with you. Having tried to figure out the eschatology and failed then taking classes the ministers gave to elders and deacons that included it I never had a grip on the timeline. It was humorous that with 4 pastors each adhered to a different view.
 

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this thread has over 390 posts on it. Every conceivable idea about or NOT about the Rapture has been tested here/ WHich means it is simply a circle argument. It is great for the trolls and those who answer them.

As far as the Rapture goes, By the time someone who really wants to know about possibility of a Rapture could not get it here. All they would get is argument.

The ecumenical evangelists win one more time. There is something to be said about the prophecy of False teachers and those that will listen and believe.

We have a one WOrld Religion coming upon us swiftly and without resistance. Those who deny it are not watching the signs?



to my knowledge ecumene sponsor and start by vatican, and Pre trib rapture is start by Jesuit, both are wrong
 
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this thread has over 390 posts on it. Every conceivable idea about or NOT about the Rapture has been tested here/ WHich means it is simply a circle argument. It is great for the trolls and those who answer them.

As far as the Rapture goes, By the time someone who really wants to know about possibility of a Rapture could not get it here. All they would get is argument.

The ecumenical evangelists win one more time. There is something to be said about the prophecy of False teachers and those that will listen and believe.

We have a one WOrld Religion coming upon us swiftly and without resistance. Those who deny it are not watching the signs?



This has been an educational experience for me. I knew there was some weird teaching out there, but wow.
 

Bladerunner

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The best thing to do is to have all your faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, with all your heart, mind and soul, so even if there isn't a Rapture, you will be His when you leave this walk of life, and if the Rapture does take place, you will meet Him in the air! Praise Jesus!
The way HE set it up--A WIN-WIN situation
 

Bladerunner

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This has been an educational experience for me. I knew there was some weird teaching out there, but wow.
Hey Ellsworth...Not sure how to take this statement, so I will take it positively.

Either ways---hope you and yours have a Blessed Thanksgiving.

Blade
 

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This has been an educational experience for me. I knew there was some weird teaching out there, but wow.
It always amazes me that while theologians have come up with 4 different scenarios about eschatology and discussed them for centuries that people on this forum think their view is the only valid one. When the rapture occurs is inextricably tied to those 4 mutually exclusive concepts and all 4 are Biblical. I'm 73 and started trying to figure it out in my late teens. Became a deacon and elder and attended a class for new deacons and elders in my church and this was part of the discussion. The 4 pastors each adhered to a different view but conceded they might be wrong.. Having on and off for 55 years tried to make a single unassailable version and failed I take the pan view. It will all pan out in the end.

For those of you who vehemently adhere to a specific Biblical view keep in mind there are 3 other Biblical views.
 

Jackson123

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Former mason claims evangelist Billy Graham a 33rd degree freemason
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Jim Shaw is one of the highest ranking Freemasons to ever defect to Christianity. Billy Graham took part in Rev. Jim Shaw's 33rd Degree Masonic initiation. This was before Shaw left the Lodge for Christ. Only 33rd Degree Masons and candidates participate in that initiation. Jim Shaw refers to Billy Graham's presence at this Masonic ritual on page 104 of his book co-authored with Tom McKenney titled 'The Deadly Deception' Lafayette, LA: Huntington House, Inc. 1998
 
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if u thought that hulkamania was big in the 80s.... u havent seen rapturemania yet.

WHAT U GONNA DO WHEN RAPTUREMANIA RUNS WILD ON U BROTHER?!
 

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Former mason claims evangelist Billy Graham a 33rd degree freemason
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Jim Shaw is one of the highest ranking Freemasons to ever defect to Christianity. Billy Graham took part in Rev. Jim Shaw's 33rd Degree Masonic initiation. This was before Shaw left the Lodge for Christ. Only 33rd Degree Masons and candidates participate in that initiation. Jim Shaw refers to Billy Graham's presence at this Masonic ritual on page 104 of his book co-authored with Tom McKenney titled 'The Deadly Deception' Lafayette, LA: Huntington House, Inc. 1998
What part of the Apostles Creed does the Christian side of the Free Masons disagree with?

I get so sick of people shooting off their mouths about organizations they know nothing about but from some stupid web site. I was involved with DeMolay in my youth. The men's, women's and youth organizations affiliated with the Masonic Order have two divisions. One for Christians and the other for practicing Jews. Religion is very important to these organizations. George Washington was a Mason and he was very religious.

Stick your bias in your ear.
 

Jackson123

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What part of the Apostles Creed does the Christian side of the Free Masons disagree with?

I get so sick of people shooting off their mouths about organizations they know nothing about but from some stupid web site. I was involved with DeMolay in my youth. The men's, women's and youth organizations affiliated with the Masonic Order have two divisions. One for Christians and the other for practicing Jews. Religion is very important to these organizations. George Washington was a Mason and he was very religious.

Stick your bias in your ear.
so you believe freemason not satanic?
 

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if u thought that hulkamania was big in the 80s.... u havent seen rapturemania yet.

WHAT U GONNA DO WHEN RAPTUREMANIA RUNS WILD ON U BROTHER?!
I loved watching Terry Gene Bolea aka Hulk Hogan do his thing. He was just an actor. For those who don't know it professional wrestling is all fake and just a show. If people actually did those things to each other sever injury or death would result. Before it came to TV they would take turns being good and bad guys in different parts of the country. As a child I was walking by the ring during a pause in a fight and heard a wrestler tell the referee to tell his opponent that if he bit him again the fight would become real!!
 

Nehemiah6

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For those of you who vehemently adhere to a specific Biblical view keep in mind there are 3 other Biblical views.
Of course. But no one can (or should) accept all four views as equally valid. So sooner or later, Christians need to decide what view of the Resurrection/Rapture is most biblically consistent. Which means a personal study of the Word.