Not By Works

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ROFL.... Did I hit a nerve? GOOD. :) And there's nothing judgemental about asking an elder if they kiss their mama with their potty mouth... I mean after all, you either are, or were an elder, right?

Endoscopy said:
Why don't you take a long walk on a short pier.
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Endoscopy said:
I suggest you take a long walk on a short pier!!

Go to a lake and walk until your hat floats!!

Such a judgmental person.
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Endoscopy said:
Jesus said "I come not to break the law and the prophets but to fulfill." Your theology is a bit mixed up. The law abides forever. Paul said how would he know when he sinned without the law. Sin is disobeying the law. What Jesus did was give those who accept him the way to escape the penalty of sinning.
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I quoted two scriptures.....maybe your theology is mixed up to say quoting two scriptures is mixed up theology....

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Originally Posted by dcontroversal We will answer a question by a question.....WHY do you incessantly post scriptures about law abiding?

Explain the word of JESUS....The LAW and prophets were UNTIL JOHN<---what does that mean

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For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.<---What does this mean and why was the word TRUTH applied unto JESUS and not to the LAW given through MOSES.....???????
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Did Jesus fulfill the law or not?

Once you have repented of your sin and comes to Christ. Has the law not been fulfilled in you?

What good is the law to you after you come to christ? YToyu already know what sin is, and the law can not give you a complete representation of all sin anyway. So again, what good is it to the believer? who has been lead by the law to Christ?
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AMEN....the righteousness of Christ without the law imputed by faith.....what part of that is so hard to understand.....
 
notmyown said:
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat,

but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers. (Lk 22:31-32)

and that made all the difference.
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And Peter never lost his salvation through the whole process.....
 
PHart said:
Yes, it is sad that there are people here who twist the analogy so that Jesus is the Lasagna in the hope of ridiculing it instead of using scripture to discuss what I actually said.

You know what they say, if you can't beat an argument, ridicule it.
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Now you are just lying....you compared the sealing of the HOLY SPIRIT unto a bowl of lasagna that can be unsealed....NO ONE has twisted anything to make it say or imply that JESUS is the lasagna....

MAN you are a deceiver extraordinaire.....
 
PHart said:
Although even the Bible itself kind of mixes up the terms, the argument being set forth is that 'Faith plus nothing = justification'. But in a salvation 'Faith + Works = genuine salvation'. As far as I can see, most here at one time or another agree with this. Until we start talking about the necessity for works, then they go back to the 'no works' argument, lol. Out of defensiveness, I presume.

If a person gets to the Day of Christ's Judgment with nothing more than a profession of faith and no works to validate that profession as genuine, that person will be tossed into the Lake of Fire. Not because works somehow earn being saved from the Lake of Fire, but because works are how Christ is going to justly judge whether you believe and trust in Him and love him (Matthew 25).
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You are proclaiming a FALSE GOSPEL.

YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, and that is NOT OF YOURSELF, it is a GIFT OF GOD, NOT BY WORKS, so that NO MAN CAN BOAST.

You don't Believe what the BIBLE says in Eph. 2:8-9 says, do you?

Anything you try to add to GRACE through FAITH, makes it a FALSE GOSPEL.
 
Dude, you lie like a rug on a wooden floor.. I can't even count the number of times I've seen you compare Jesus to a bowl of lasagna.. We are "sealed" by God the very moment we believe on Him. And that seal does NOT open like a bowl of lasagna would, if you dropped it on the floor and it went everywhere.. lol

At least have the moxie to be honest..
 
blue_ladybug said:
Dude,
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Please do not call me 'dude'. Show me you love God by honoring this request.



blue_ladybug said:
you lie like a rug on a wooden floor.. I can't even count the number of times I've seen you compare Jesus to a bowl of lasagna.. We are "sealed" by God the very moment we believe on Him. And that seal does NOT open like a bowl of lasagna would, if you dropped it on the floor and it went everywhere.. lol

At least have the moxie to be honest..
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You misunderstand the analogy horribly, lol.
 
VCO said:
You are proclaiming a FALSE GOSPEL.

YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, and that is NOT OF YOURSELF, it is a GIFT OF GOD, NOT BY WORKS, so that NO MAN CAN BOAST.

You don't Believe what the BIBLE says in Eph. 2:8-9 says, do you?

Anything you try to add to GRACE through FAITH, makes it a FALSE GOSPEL.
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You either do not understand what I said, or you did not read it.

You people keep talking out both sides of your mouth. On one hand you agree that the believer WILL produce works, or else he isn't saved, but then you turn right around and rant and rave that works are not required and that the person who has no works is saved. It's quite comical, actually, lol.
 
dcontroversal said:
Now you are just lying....you compared the sealing of the HOLY SPIRIT unto a bowl of lasagna that can be unsealed....NO ONE has twisted anything to make it say or imply that JESUS is the lasagna....

MAN you are a deceiver extraordinaire.....
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Explain how Jesus is the Lasagna in the analogy I gave. Be specific.

Here's the analogy again: 'Sealed' does not mean 'unable to be sealed' anymore than 'sealed' means 'unable to be sealed' when you seal your leftover Lasagna in a container and put it in the refrigerator. I'm guessing you're now going to say that's not what I said before, so save us the time and just prove that by posting what I've said before. Oh, and don't forget to tell us how the Lasagna is Jesus in that analogy, lol.
 
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PHart said:
Explain how Jesus is the Lasagna in the analogy I gave. Be specific.

Here's the analogy again: 'Sealed' does not mean 'unable to be sealed' anymore than 'sealed' means 'unable to be sealed' when you seal your leftover Lasagna in a container and put it in the refrigerator. I'm guessing you're now going to say that's not what I said before, so save us the time and just prove that by posting what I've said before. Oh, and don't forget to tell us how the Lasagna is Jesus in that analogy, lol.
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Again I state that your analogy falls short of credible and is ignorant.....because to compare the work of the eternal GOD and his HOLY SPIRIT to a bowl of lasagna in the refrigerator is not only stupid, but borders on idiotic....

Second....YOUR QUOTE was false because UNTIL BLUE posted what she posted NO ONE that I KNOW of has tried to TWIST your faulty analogy into saying that JESUS is the lasagna.

Originally Posted by PHart Yes, it is sad that there are people here who twist the analogy so that Jesus is the Lasagna in the hope of ridiculing it instead of using scripture to discuss what I actually said.

You know what they say, if you can't beat an argument, ridicule it.

MY POST in LIGHT of the above....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal Now you are just lying....you compared the sealing of the HOLY SPIRIT unto a bowl of lasagna that can be unsealed....NO ONE has twisted anything to make it say or imply that JESUS is the lasagna....

MAN you are a deceiver extraordinaire.....


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I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear Him.

YOUR view calls GOD a liar, devalues the work of the HOLY SPIRIT, makes JESUS into a weak, inept liar that cannot keep his word.....

WHEN GOD SEALS someone they are SEALED forever....see above verse and get right!
 
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PHart said:
Explain how Jesus is the Lasagna in the analogy I gave. Be specific.

Here's the analogy again: 'Sealed' does not mean 'unable to be sealed' anymore than 'sealed' means 'unable to be sealed' when you seal your leftover Lasagna in a container and put it in the refrigerator. I'm guessing you're now going to say that's not what I said before, so save us the time and just prove that by posting what I've said before. Oh, and don't forget to tell us how the Lasagna is Jesus in that analogy, lol.
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Lets see, all the problems

1. Your comparing God to man.
2. Your comparing the HS to wrap.
3. In this example. The plate of lasagnia (which represents the saved) can not unseal itself
4. Only the man (which represents God) who originally sealed it, or another man could unseal it.

yet you do not see the issues here..
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eternally-gratefull said:
True, But then if we did that we would be sinless. You know anyone who has that much faith?
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So its a circular argument?
To not have faith in your circumstance is to not have faith that God guides your steps.
The point to me is not to be sinless. To me its to walk in what truth He has shown me.
I'm sure He has many more things to show and say to me.
 
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