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Hizikyah

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If one doesn't have the new creation man nature of God, no amount of whitewashing by rote will gain entrance to the gate of heaven.
and the new man is;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]
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yet I get called all kind of derogatory remaks by some here (not you) for stating this.
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I agree with this, but want to ask you opinion on something. Then why is it anytimes there is verses posted talkingabout obedience to His Instructions/Laws/Commands/etc. all kinds of "justified by works" "judaizer" "working your way to heaven" comments seem to be the go to?

Yahshua tells us;

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
We will answer a question by a question.....WHY do you incessantly post scriptures about law abiding?

Explain the word of JESUS....The LAW and prophets were UNTIL JOHN<---what does that mean

or

For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.<---What does this mean and why was the word TRUTH applied unto JESUS and not to the LAW given through MOSES.....???????
 

stonesoffire

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I liked this post because it brings to light the evils of organized religion that does not have the truth nor does it possess the Spirit of GOD........pomp, ceremony and Satanic to the core..........!!!!!!!

Millstones round their necks. Not a good end for them.
 

Hizikyah

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Obviously we do not have to obey 1 law found in scripture, do as we please, live in sin and like the devil because of grace and eternal security.............shakes head at your incessant push of the law man.....!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”[/FONT]
 

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We will answer a question by a question.....WHY do you incessantly post scriptures about law abiding?

Explain the word of JESUS....The LAW and prophets were UNTIL JOHN<---what does that mean

or

For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.<---What does this mean and why was the word TRUTH applied unto JESUS and not to the LAW given through MOSES.....???????
This post is an example ewhy:

Explain the word of JESUS....The LAW and prophets were UNTIL JOHN<---what does that mean
What does the next verse say?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

This means that the Law and the Prophets who preached until Yahshua came, when He came the Kingdom of Yah and how to enter it is preached, and He, Yahshua makes it clear, even then the Law is not done away or abolished.

it...is...in...the...next...verse....

For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.<---What does this mean and why was the word TRUTH applied unto JESUS and not to the LAW given through MOSES.....???????
Who was the Law recorded by originally? Moses.

Who was the atoneing Sacrifice that reconciled us to Yah through unmerited mercy? Yahshua.

This is why:

Revelation 15:3, “And they sing the song of Mosheh the servant of יהוה, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvelous are Your works, יהוה Strength Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O Sovereign of the set-apart ones!”



Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."


Genesis/Bereshith 3:15, “And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed. He shall crush your head, and you shall crush His heel.”


Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of יהוה and possessing the witness of יהושע Messiah."


Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


 
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Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."


Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of יהוה to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”
And you wonder why many see you as a Pharisee or Lawyer pushing some pseudo blend gospel.......
 

stonesoffire

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and the new man is;

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”


Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."


Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”




Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

yet I get called all kind of derogatory remaks by some here (not you) for stating this.
Its not a covenant as of the OT Hiz. It is the will of inheritance of Sonship. Being conformed into the image of God by the new and Living way. Being born of God, born from above. This is the new creation body of Christ, Living members in union with our headship, but moving as one Spirit, even though orders may be different for the members.

Muslims, using them as an example, has a set of rules. There is not allowed freedom to think, but all orders are the same for each man or woman. This is parroting, and restraint. Chained.

This is how law works. Controlling the actions by the will of another. This is not the will of inheritance. We freely eat from the tree,of life, and sprout the nature of the tree by life.

Intertwing Spirit of God with our human spirit. What law would be better than a new nature?
 

stonesoffire

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There's nothing wrong with loving the law. Psalms 119 is great to read. It fills the soul.

But, it's not the way of the churches. We all together make up the Son here on earth. We are known by our love for our Saviour. We will be known for our unity when we realize who and what we are. When we identify with Jesus and His gift of grace who is Holy Spirit at work in our lives.

And when we begin to manifest His life through us, all together as one body.
 

Hizikyah

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and the new man is;
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

yet I get called all kind of derogatory remaks by some here (not you) for stating this.
Was not every one fo those verses talking about the new Covenant ratified in the blodd of Messiah?

Its not a covenant as of the OT Hiz. It is the will of inheritance of Sonship. Being conformed into the image of God by the new and Living way. Being born of God, born from above. This is the new creation body of Christ, Living members in union with our headship, but moving as one Spirit, even though orders may be different for the members.

Muslims, using them as an example, has a set of rules. There is not allowed freedom to think, but all orders are the same for each man or woman. This is parroting, and restraint. Chained.

This is how law works. Controlling the actions by the will of another. This is not the will of inheritance. We freely eat from the tree,of life, and sprout the nature of the tree by life.

Intertwing Spirit of God with our human spirit. What law would be better than a new nature?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”[/FONT]
 

stonesoffire

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Was not every one fo those verses talking about the new Covenant ratified in the blodd of Messiah?



Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”


Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"


James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”


James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
Maybe if you make Jesus the Living Torah.

Hiz, a question. Would it be better to be a servant in a house, serving the master faithfully, and then given a portion of wages for retirement, or to be the Son in training to grow up and inherit the estate?
 

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1.Not by works( NOT VOID OF WORKS) but by grace thru FAITH.(eph 2:8-9)
2.Justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)
3.Faith that Worketh in Love.(gal 5:6)
4.Faith and Action Working TOGETHER.(james 2:22)

Salvation is by GRACE through FAITH and NOT BY WORKS(of ourselves).(#1)

It is NOT BY FAITH ALONE(#2)but it WORKS in LOVE(#3)thus FAITH & LOVE(works of obedience(romans 1:5) manifested in ACTION and in TRUTH)(1john 3:16-18)are working TOGETHER.(#4)

2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE: THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.



THE FIRST PHASE OF SALVATION IS TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE THAT GOD HAS SENT AND IN HIS WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.
(john 6:28-29, eph 1:13,romans 10:8-17).
THROUGH THIS FAITH WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT(the Helper/Counsellor)(gal 3:14, john 14:16-17)

John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the WORKS GOD REQUIRES?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”

THE SECOND PHASE IS THE WORKING OUT OF THAT SALVATION AND REMAINING/CONTINUING IN THE FAITH TO THE END THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL AND COMMANDMENTS, DOING GOOD WORKS. WALKING AS JESUS DID AND BEING A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST WHO DOES THE WORKS BEING LED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO IS THE HEAD.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, HIS BODY OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has FAITH in me WILL DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father

1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, iF YOU HOLD FIRMLY TO THE WORD I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

Romans 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the OBEDIENCE that comes from FAITH.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—CONTINUE TO WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—WHETHER YOU ARE SLAVES TO SIN, WHICH LEADS TO DEATH, OR TO OBEDIENCE, WHICH LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS?

2 Corinthians 9:13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the OBEDIENCE THAT ACCOMPANIES YOUR CONFESSION OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.

Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to PREPARE God’s people FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the FULLNESS of Christ.

Romans 2:7 To those who by persistence in DOING GOOD seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Galatians 6:9 Let us not become weary in DOING GOOD, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

1 Timothy 6:18-19 Command them TO DO GOOD, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once made PERFECT, he became the SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY HIM.

Matthew 19:16-17 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.”

Matthew 25:21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful SERVANT You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. COME AND SHARE YOUR MASTER’S HAPPINESS!’

WE ARE SANCTIFIED BY THESE TRUTHS AS IT IS WRITTEN:
John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

James 1:22 BUT BE YE DOERS OF THE WORD AND NOT HEARERS ONLY deceiving your own selves.

Romans 2:13 (For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God: that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; and His commandments are not grievous.

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

Ephesians 3:19 and to know this LOVE that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

THE THIRD PHASE OF SALVATION IS SALVATION FROM GOD’S WRATH. THIS IS DEPENDING ON GOD’S MERCY AND JUDGMENT(JUSTICE).

Romans 9:15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

1 John 4:17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because IN THIS WORLD WE ARE LIKE HIM.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that MEN WILL HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

John 16:8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father,(ref:john 14:12) where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment,(ref:hebrews 10:26-27) because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

Romans 2:5-10 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? FOR WE WILL ALL STAND BEFORE GOD’S JUDGMENT SEAT.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, NOT TO BEAR SIN, BUT TO BRING SALVATION to those who are waiting for him.

1 Peter 4:17-18 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the SINNER?”
 

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Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."


Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of יהוה to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”
If that post gave anyopne ammunition to call me a pharisee or lawyer, the problem is with them not me. YHWH and Yahshua say it is loving them. If loving them the way theuy say is lawyering I just passed the Bar.

And you wonder why many see you as a Pharisee or Lawyer pushing some pseudo blend gospel.......
Is this some psudo blend? and who does the dragon hate?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”[/FONT]
 

Hizikyah

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There's nothing wrong with loving the law. Psalms 119 is great to read. It fills the soul.

But, it's not the way of the churches. We all together make up the Son here on earth. We are known by our love for our Saviour. We will be known for our unity when we realize who and what we are. When we identify with Jesus and His gift of grace who is Holy Spirit at work in our lives.

And when we begin to manifest His life through us, all together as one body.
Except the saints do keep His Law and have faith in Yahshua;

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”




Maybe if you make Jesus the Living Torah.

Hiz, a question. Would it be better to be a servant in a house, serving the master faithfully, and then given a portion of wages for retirement, or to be the Son in training to grow up and inherit the estate?
SOunds liuke a metaphor that is close to but not apples to apples and can be misunderstood,

I will go with what is written;

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

I dont care where I "rank" I love Yah, want to o His will and want to be with Him. Period. And I will trust that what He says is the way, is the way.
 

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Another way to look at this, hopefully..

One could put the law into our mind and heart by memorization, true? Being born of an obedient nature, which is what being born from above means, born to live by the Holy Spirits lead. By our loving Him. One doesn't have to love to obey.

You can obey with a grudging heart. True?
 

stonesoffire

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Except the saints do keep His Law and have faith in Yahshua;

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”






SOunds liuke a metaphor that is close to but not apples to apples and can be misunderstood,

I will go with what is written;

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

I dont care where I "rank" I love Yah, want to o His will and want to be with Him. Period. And I will trust that what He says is the way, is the way.
Have you read about the two sons in Paul's writings? The servant and the Son? I wasn't making that up.
 

Hizikyah

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Another way to look at this, hopefully..

One could put the law into our mind and heart by memorization, true? Being born of an obedient nature, which is what being born from above means, born to live by the Holy Spirits lead. By our loving Him. One doesn't have to love to obey.

You can obey with a grudging heart. True?
I don;t think one can truly obey, unless their heart is fully in it, changed by Him. they can appear to be obeying outwardly, but Yah knows;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”[/FONT]
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Gal 4:21 Tell me, those of you who want to live under the Law: Are you really listening to what the Law says?

Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and the other by a free woman.

Gal 4:23 Now the slave woman's son was conceived through human means, while the free woman's son was conceived through divine promise.

Gal 4:24 This is being said as an allegory, for these women represent two covenants. The one woman, Hagar, is from Mount Sinai, and her children are born into slavery.

Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery along with her children.

Gal 4:26 But the heavenly Jerusalem is the free woman, and she is our spiritual mother.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, "Rejoice, you childless woman, who cannot give birth to any children! Break into song and shout, you who feel no pains of childbirth! For the children of the deserted woman are more numerous than the children of the woman who has a husband."

Gal 4:28 So you, brothers, are children of the promise, like Isaac.

Gal 4:29 But just as then the son who was conceived according to the flesh persecuted the son who was conceived according to the Spirit, so it is now.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? "Drive out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman must never share the inheritance with the son of the free woman."







 

Hizikyah

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Have you read about the two sons in Paul's writings? The servant and the Son? I wasn't making that up.
I don't recall of the top of my head but if it si in the word I have read it, but none the less a metaphor can be misunderstood bvy me or you, I prefer to go with that verse I used because it is not mataphor but clear and direct.

He said "If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him"

This is easily understood IMO, look at the parablke opf the 10 virgins, there are different views of what it mens, yet everone believes they have the right view, to me this can not be misunderstood easily.
 

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2 You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others. 3 Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer. 5 Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor’s crown unless he competes according to the rules. 6 The hardworking farmer should be the first to receive a share of the crops. 7 Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.

8 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, 9 for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

11 Here is a trustworthy saying:

If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.

A Workman Approved by God

14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. 21 If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.

22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
No Book, No Chapters, and No Version references. Are you trying to be ignored?

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Even if all I have highlighted is one letter, it still copies the entire verse, with the book, chapter, verse number, and version.


John 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.


ALL I had Highlighted was the H on He. I have the paid version so it puts the Book, Chapter, Verse, and Version first. If it is still the same the FREE version puts them last, like this:


[SUP]16 [/SUP] “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (HCSB)
 

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I liked this post because it brings to light the evils of organized religion that does not have the truth nor does it possess the Spirit of GOD........pomp, ceremony and Satanic to the core..........!!!!!!!
At the end of the movie it was disclosed that the cardinal who orchestrated the cover-up was rewarded with a position in one of the highest ranking RC churches in the world. Major abuse scandals were also uncovered in the following places:








Over the course of 2002, the Spolight team published close to 600 stories about the scandal.

Correction: it was 149 priests and brothers within the Boston archdiocese.