GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Hizikyah]

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So if we work at the law in our own understanding and strength we are under the curse. But if we produce the fruit of the Spirit there is no law that can condemn us.

So how do we produce this fruit of the Spirit?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Galatians 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Romans 9:30-32

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Romans 8:1-2

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."[/FONT]

 

[gb9]

I didnt yell, if you thought my caps was yelling that was not my intention, I hit cap lock without realizing, you can see the letters that were supposed to be caps are not and the ones that are not supposed to be are.

also you are ignoring what is written saying 100 years late..

how did Noah know what was a clean animal and what was an unclean animal?

for the Law was given through Moses, Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ...

the Gospel of John. one more time, ask John why he wrote this if you disagree.

 

[Hizikyah]

for the Law was given through Moses, Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ...

the Gospel of John. one more time, ask John why he wrote this if you disagree.

just because I dont ioslate verses to make obedience to His Laws a bad thing, does not mean I dont accept everyhitng YHWH said. I take everything YHWH says onto myself.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Tell me dp you believe this:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

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John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]





[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Yah, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 4:17, "Because it is time for judgment to begin from the House of Yah. And if firstly from us, what is the end of those who do not obey the Good News of Yah?"[/FONT]

 

[gb9]

just because I dont ioslate verses to make obedience to His Laws a bad thing, does not mean I dont accept everyhitng YHWH said. I take everything YHWH says onto myself.

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

just a little context here- v. 15 so he ( Jesus ) said unto them- you are the ones who declare yourselves just and upright in the sight of men, but God knows your heart, for that which is highly esteemed before men is detestable before God.

once again , in chapter 15 of Luke, Jesus told the parable of the unjust steward, and at the end, when the Pharisees mocked him, he said this, followed by the verses you posted, then on to Lazarus .

when I first joined this site, you ran circles around me, and made me look foolish. now, I do the same to you. I , with the help of Sparkman , study, and prayer, see what you are, and what you attempt, ( fail ) to do. I will keep on exposing Hebrew roots deception as long as I am allowed to be here.

 

[gb9]

just a little context here- v. 15 so he ( Jesus ) said unto them- you are the ones who declare yourselves just and upright in the sight of men, but God knows your heart, for that which is highly esteemed before men is detestable before God.

once again , in chapter 15 of Luke, Jesus told the parable of the unjust steward, and at the end, when the Pharisees mocked him, he said this, followed by the verses you posted, then on to Lazarus .

when I first joined this site, you ran circles around me, and made me look foolish. now, I do the same to you. I , with the help of Sparkman , study, and prayer, see what you are, and what you attempt, ( fail ) to do. I will keep on exposing Hebrew roots deception as long as I am allowed to be here.

Lazarus and the rich man, not Lazarus raised from death.

 

[Hizikyah]

just a little context here- v. 15 so he ( Jesus ) said unto them- you are the ones who declare yourselves just and upright in the sight of men, but God knows your heart, for that which is highly esteemed before men is detestable before God.

once again , in chapter 15 of Luke, Jesus told the parable of the unjust steward, and at the end, when the Pharisees mocked him, he said this, followed by the verses you posted, then on to Lazarus .

when I first joined this site, you ran circles around me, and made me look foolish. now, I do the same to you. I , with the help of Sparkman , study, and prayer, see what you are, and what you attempt, ( fail ) to do. I will keep on exposing Hebrew roots deception as long as I am allowed to be here.

youre funny. So I guess that verse does not mean the Law still stands huh.

Did heaven and earth pass too? and have all things been perfected? look at 17-19 or even 20...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

gb9 you want the Law to be donw away so badly don't you?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."[/FONT]


if there is no Law there is no such thing as sin.

so there is nothing anyone or any being can do that is wrong...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”[/FONT]

 

[Johnny_B]

I live two blocks from a church that worships on the Sabbath and see lots of cars there, why don't Sabbatarians keep the Sabbath according to Scripture?

Ecodus 35:2-3 "Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

You guys do know that the motor in a car is run with the piston chambers exploding with fire, right?

I have also had them tell me that since I worship on Sunday that I worship the sun, I have asked them saying, okay if I worship the sun, then you worship Saturn because you worship on Saturday. They always tell me I do not know what I am talking about, again the judizers are still alive and well.

Makes me wonder if they ever have read Matthew 7:1-3 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

 

[Hizikyah]

I live two blocks from a church that worships on the Sabbath and see lots of cars there, why don't Sabbatarians keep the Sabbath according to Scripture?

Ecodus 35:2-3 "Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

You guys do know that the motor in a car is run with the piston chambers exploding with fire, right?

I have also had them tell me that since I worship on Sunday that I worship the sun, I have asked them saying, okay if I worship the sun, then you worship Saturn because you worship on Saturday. They always tell me I do not know what I am talking about, again the judizers are still alive and well.

Makes me wonder if they ever have read Matthew 7:1-3 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

seems you are judging them for driving their cars on Sabbath.

Makes me wonder if Johnny_B ever read Matthew 7:1-3 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

and since there sabbath keepers are oh so bad, they must all be the same right?

 

[loveme1]

1 Corinthians 2

9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.



If one is still trying to condemn a person for what they do or do not on Sabbath then they are no different to the Pharisees... and how they perceived was carnal.. and it is only through Believing that we perceive for it is from within..

The Messiah gives us Grace and Truth... learn of Him.. and take delight and not burden.. for if you are trying to Keep the 10 Commandments not through Faith in the Lord then you have not Grace and Truth that allows one to be set free to Love and forgive as you are Loved and forgiven... the Royal Law comes through Faith for It is the only way to be Forgiven and made new inwardly.. the Holy Spirit Baptism.

The Sabbath is a sign of sanctification so the Lord of Sabbath teaches us the way... we are to believe Him above all else..

 

[gb9]

youre funny. So I guess that verse does not mean the Law still stands huh.

Did heaven and earth pass too? and have all things been perfected? look at 17-19 or even 20...

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

how about we read the whole Gospel of Luke, not just isolate verses.

 

[Hizikyah]

how about we read the whole Gospel of Luke, not just isolate verses.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” (Deut 8:3)

Including His Instructions.
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[valiant]

Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.” (Deut 8:3)

Including His Instructions.

Including Romans 14.5-6; Colossians 2.16-17 ??

 

[valiant]

seems you are judging them for driving their cars on Sabbath.

Well? They CLAIM to observe the Sabbath strictly

 

[Grandpa]

gb9 you want the Law to be donw away so badly don't you?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."


if there is no Law there is no such thing as sin.

so there is nothing anyone or any being can do that is wrong...

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."


1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."


1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."



1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."



1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”

Who is it that practices Righteousness?

Romans 9:30-32
[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Romans 10:3-4
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[FONT=&quot]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]

 

[epostle]

The Apostles changed the primary day of worship to Sunday, and accumulated evidence shows this to be the case, is that a tradition of men"?

 

[sparkman]

I live two blocks from a church that worships on the Sabbath and see lots of cars there, why don't Sabbatarians keep the Sabbath according to Scripture?

Ecodus 35:2-3 "Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

You guys do know that the motor in a car is run with the piston chambers exploding with fire, right?

I have also had them tell me that since I worship on Sunday that I worship the sun, I have asked them saying, okay if I worship the sun, then you worship Saturn because you worship on Saturday. They always tell me I do not know what I am talking about, again the judizers are still alive and well.

Makes me wonder if they ever have read Matthew 7:1-3 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

The Sabbathkeeping group I belonged to had no issues with going to restaurants on the Sabbath either..even though Scripture specifies that your servants were not supposed to work.

Also, Scripture mentions a Sabbath Day's Journey which limited the distance you could walk on the Sabbath, before it would be considered work. I imagine many SDAs travel further than this distance in their cars...I think it was about a half mile by tradition.

When it comes down to it, they don't know what "keeping the Sabbath" means, other than how their leadership defines it. Ellen G. White went into great detail on how to keep the Sabbath, including making sure your clothing was laid out, shoes shined, food cooked, etcetera.

I recommend reading the book called Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff. He's an ex Seventh Day Adventist and does a fairly good job of explaining the problems with Sabbathkeeper rhetoric.

He also addresses Colossians 2:16-17 in depth. Seventh Day Adventists spend a lot of effort trying to exclude the weekly Sabbath from those verses but it cannot be done

 

[Hizikyah]

Including Romans 14.5-6; Colossians 2.16-17 ??

The entire word. My oryour perception may or may not be right but the entire word is valid. I say beacuse we most likely have a different view of what theres passages men.

For a quick example many use Colossians 2 to testify against YHWH's Sabbath's (7th day and Feast Days) yet this is impossible, why? Because this is written in it;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”

Why can this not be talking about [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]YHWH's Sabbath's (7th day and Feast Days)? Because they are 100% about the Messiah;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever[/FONT]

7th day Sabbath (represents rest in the kingdom)

Lets run through that one more time:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men (YHWH instutited all of theres, therefore they can not be tradition of men), according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah (they are 100% about Messiah).”[/FONT]

What is being talked about is what the pharisees enforcd, their own "laws" and "holy"days done the day and the way they said, and not according to what YHWH said.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well? They CLAIM to observe the Sabbath strictly

One maybe like Yahshua picking grain on the Sabbath they deem it more iomportant to gather for worship than to not drive a car, I am not their judge and neither are you, yet yo do the same as the pharisees did; you accuse and pick at hairs while ignoring the desire to do right on the Sabbath.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

We do not know if their "keeping" of the Sabbath pleases Yah or not, yet you proclaim it to be wrong before Yah.[/FONT]