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VCO

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Hi all...I wish I had thanked PWJ before he got banned, because it was through his misleading posts that I drew nearer to God :)...
I felt so condemned by some of his post that they really shook me up, he sounded as if he had it all together :rolleyes:, I know that for those of you who are more knowledgeable in the word, more mature, this is not the case for me, but through his post it drew me more to seek God on the things he was saying about being sinless...

Genesis 50:20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives...I searched and searched some more into the Scriptures and have no doubt that on this side of the world, we will never be sinless but will sin-less...It can be very scary when young in the LORD and you read post from people who can write and twist Scripture and keep such a gentleness about them, it just made me realise how much more I need to be in the word so I know what to say should anyone ever come up against me who speaks off sinless perfection...

Anyway I am not here to type bad things about him because he can not defend himself, I just wished I had thanked him for teaching me a valuable lesson, keep Gods word over mans word when in doubt...xox...
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You did good, in identifying a wolf's false teaching, and trusting instead what you knew to be TRUE. Know there will be others in your life.
I had a very wise elderly Pastor warn me once, "If you do not run head on into the Devil once in awhile in your Christian walk, you had better look around and make sure you are not going the same direction the Devil is going."

I know those like PJW was, are the Most Dangerous of those who peddle a false gospel and other false doctrines.

Like I heard Dave Hunt (Author of "The Seduction of Christianity"), say one time on a video, "If a Witch Doctor came in this Church in his war paint and feathers and tried to take over he Pulpit, two of you men would grab him by each arm and THROW HIM OUT THE FRONT DOOR. But what I fear, is if the same man came in here in a suite and tie, toting a Bible, you all would listen to him all day long."

Here is how Jesus put it:

Matthew 7:15-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.


That expression, in sheep's clothing, meant something at the time of Christ that many do not understand fully. A shepherd at the time of Christ would always wear clothing make from the wool of his own sheep. But it is symbolically a reference to a teacher of the Word of God. Remember HE told Peter three times to FEED MY SHEEP, (TEACH THEM MY WORD). So a False Prophet in sheep's clothing; is one who disguises himself as a Teacher of GOD's Word, but really is peddling false doctrines and a false gospel; and most likely is even deceived himself, thinking he is teaching the Truth. Yes outwardly they look like a Teacher of GOD's Word, but inwardly they are deceivers who have been deceived by someone else.


2 Timothy 3:13-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Evil people and impostors will become worse, deceiving and being deceived.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed. You know those who taught you,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and you know that from childhood you have known the sacred Scriptures, which are able to give you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.


Here is how I was able to identify PJW as a one of the deceivers who had been deceived. As Jesus put it, I Examined his fruit, knowing that no good tree produces any BAD FRUIT. Bad Fruit is not a one time sin, or a single misunderstanding of Bible interpretation, nor is it a minor disagreement of interpretation such as causes the separations in Denominations. FRUIT is an ongoing Lifestyle of producing either GOOD or BAD FRUIT. So you have to watch them for awhile until you can clearly see and distinguish a lifestyle pattern. With PJW, I noticed two distinguishing characteristics. First, I saw a lifestyle of causing strife and dissensions; and Second, he frequently used Christian terminology, but was meaning something totally different than mainline Christianity means by the same term. Here is the List of Bad Fruit and Good Fruit:


Galatians 5:17-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Butthe fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.


When the Characteristic Pattern of his posts became clearly the words I changed to Red above, I was pretty sure we were dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing. So I started pressing him for Definitions of common Christian terms, most of which he just ignored, but even when I asked him to define Born Again, his answer said NOTHING about the human spirit being birthed into eternal life by the Holy Spirit, instead it was about his body was reborn sinless. In fact he failed to seem to understand that there is a difference between the Christian's spirit, and the Christian's mortal body.

So yes, I too think we all learned from contesting for the FAITH, with one like PJW. At the very least he tested our patience, and we are the better for it.

2 Peter 1:5-8 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Yea, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue; and in your virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and in your knowledge self-control; and in your self-control patience; and in your patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and in your godliness brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness love.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be not idle nor unfruitful unto the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
 
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stonesoffire

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I missed him....completely. Must of been before me or maybe in threads I didn't partipate in.
 

Magenta

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He made a grand total of twelve posts. I don't think anyone really missed much :)
 
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He made a grand total of twelve posts. I don't think anyone really missed much :)
all 12 posts were genius


i could really relate to that guy

(i have a confession:rolleyes:...... t'was i)
 

Magenta

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You can probably guess what I think.......about it all.......as in fake......
Well, what with all the build up, the promises of greatness, the wow factor hype, and the warnings of how we would all be put in our places, and then him being accused of not being the real Ralph after all (despite his name), yeah, I think it was a prank too :eek:
 

Magenta

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Haha Jaime, good one :D (Ya didn't fool me, but then, neither
did the two who promoted all the Ralph hype, either :p)
 

stonesoffire

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Oh, you meant the Ralph that came on this thread. He didn't participate much did he? I missed then the attraction that you had towards him.

Hey, real Ralph...please come back!

Hope this helps McGee. Am glad you came back though. :) and thanks.
 

stonesoffire

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Haha..good one! You fooled us all. Now I hope I was nice to you. :( I can't remember.

Yikes!
 

Magenta

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Haha..good one! You fooled us all. Now I hope I was nice to you. :( I can't remember.

Yikes!
Stones, I really don't think you have anything to worry about in that regard :)

I know I have no such worries, for I did not take the bait :D

I did not know it was Jaime, but I figured someone was pulling our leg :eek: LOL
 

loveme1

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Jesus said........He that believes on the son is having everlasting life.

AMEN.....no works attached for said salvation....just believe.

Now you need to elaborate on that statement because as is you contradict the Lord who states:

Revelation 3

1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



Now you can share the Truth that a person will be saved by Grace through Faith.. unto good works ordained by GOD and share where a person can build their house according to the Lord:

Matthew 7


24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Which is to Believe...


but without elaborating your statement is misleading... just how you started the thread with a verse to suit you continue Theron.. you are not teaching the Truth if you have yet to believe it for yourself.


i bid all to Believe neither you or myself but the Word of GOD.


Go through to Revelation and put your beliefs against the Lord’s warnings and encouragement to believers.. everyone of us should be able to hear...

But DC you are not greater than the Lord who gave those warnings.. and if the Lord attaches perfect works to a believer being worthy and not to be blotted our then stand down and take heed soldier.
 
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Now you need to elaborate on that statement because as is you contradict the Lord who states:

Revelation 3

1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



Now you can share the Truth that a person will be saved by Grace through Faith.. unto good works ordained by GOD and share where a person can build their house according to the Lord:

Matthew 7


24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Which is to Believe...


but without elaborating your statement is misleading... just how you started the thread with a verse to suit you continue Theron.. you are not teaching the Truth if you have yet to believe it for yourself.


i bid all to Believe neither you or myself but the Word of GOD.


Go through to Revelation and put your beliefs against the Lord’s warnings and encouragement to believers.. everyone of us should be able to hear...

But DC you are not greater than the Lord who gave those warnings.. and if the Lord attaches perfect works to a believer being worthy and not to be blotted our then stand down and take heed soldier.
The only contradiction is you taking a statement made to a church body to describe their over all collective works and equating it to salvation.....and exactly why many disregard most of what you say....and anything past the bolded = zero value and nothing but a bias, misinformed opinion that does not take ALL I have said in context in this thread.
 
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Really? I thought there would be. Isnt Holy Spirit in Hebrew feminine?

My opinions were probably formed from stories of going to heaven, and The Shack. However, I think I read it in a study by someone that Holy Spirit was feminine.

I do like to read those kind of writings.
Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as He, John 16:8. No, Holy Spirit is not feminine. God is never referred to by feminine pronouns.

The Shack is a disgrace to God and Scripture. It's in fact a blasphemous work which is why the world receives it with open arms.

Yes, I've read it and it's not of God, it's a disgrace.

Let's all form our "opinions" from Scripture, not from visions, dreams, blasphemous works of satan designed to ridicule the Godhead, and other non-biblical media.
 

loveme1

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The only contradiction is you taking a statement made to a church body to describe their over all collective works and equating it to salvation.....and exactly why many disregard most of what you say....and anything past the bolded = zero value and nothing but a bias, misinformed opinion that does not take ALL I have said in context in this thread.
It would be better for all here to forget what both you and I say zero value... and believe GOD..


the Messiah states:

Revelation 3

21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


He and Him are to hear what the Spirit saith.. which equates to you also..

Those worthy will walk in white with Him so those wanting to be worthy should believe and Repent...be working to overcome through their Faith..

Seeds are to be watered and grow... it is GOD that gives increase..


I have seen you at work in this thread.. you are quick to mock and ridicule anyone with a vanilla twist for your sour coffee.. that much is true..